Obama wins the election

  On 11/9/2012 at 10:21 AM, compson said:

I'm saying Glenn will naturally scream because he is the only voice in the nation saying what he's saying (not really, but metaphorically). Tea Party platforms had the mainstream media loud speaker, so it's fine if they are passionate. I was just describing the natural tendency of speaking up about something not spoken of.

Yes, his scream is a natural. As opposed to that of the T party. That were your words, right? My only point is that they're both natural. Which was my initial point. I was drawing a parallel between Glenns posted piece and the T party.

And the "as opposed to the T party" implies, imo, some sort of judgement. Which is fine when it is brought explicitly as an opinion. In my eyes it is implied as a given.

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I am not avoiding the opposing opinion. Not sure why you keep suggesting. I have conservative friends/family and I am always open to discuss politics respectfully. I am simply suggesting the parties have more accountability for their history.

It's about language. In my eyers there's a fundamental difference between "opposition" and "different opinion". Opposition, imo, implies conflict. Different opinion doesn't.

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You are assuming "supported" equates to agreement of GOP leadership 100%. That's generalizing! So don't try and paint my viewpoint on our population, you seem to be the one doing that.

I'm assuming that the GOP leadership have the legitimacy to keep on doing what they have been doing, because they got almost half of the votes. A vote for the GOP supports them, or legitimizes their actions. You can see that as generalising, I see that as a principle. That's the way a democracy works, imo.

Fair enough, mis-understood your original post.

I think political debates involves conflicting views, so agree to disagree on language.

Our two party system has become more about voting against someone than for someone. It is why Congress/House have approval ratings in the single digits in my opinion. And if you were to average the approval ratings of all three branches of Government I bet it would be below 50%. You can see it as principal but I think ignoring other factors of voters intent and suggesting half the country agrees with GOP leadership in the House/Congress, just doesn't seem substantial enough to frame the country as 50/50. America is split more culturally than politically.

http://www.huffingto..._n_1032400.html

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The economic grievances articulated by the Occupy Wall Street movement may represent the views of not just the fringe, but a large majority of Americans, a new poll suggests.

Two-thirds of Americans said they oppose tax cuts for corporations, support increasing income taxes for millionaires, and believe that wealth should be distributed more evenly across the country, according to New York Times/CBS poll results released on Tuesday. And 43 percent of Americans say that Occupy Wall Street represents the sentiment of most Americans.

So on this issue, America largely swings one way, yet there is very little leadership or compromise being made to enact these ideals. Nor "liberal" attention media support for this. Instead the focus was put on what was happening with park sanitation, disjointed "town halls"... and with an aggressive police suppression of freedom of speech/protest peacefully, you could say that both private and public institutions ignore public opinion and work together to set their agenda.

Interesting piece.

However, the wording of the sentence "And 43 percent of Americans say that Occupy Wall Street represents the sentiment of most Americans." is just awkward.

Does that mean that 43 percent of the Americans (or rather the people who have been polled) can say what the sentiments of an even larger part of the Americans are? If I understand it correct, 43% of the Americans have some strange idea where they can tell what other people think (or should think).

  On 11/9/2012 at 10:56 AM, goDel said:

Interesting piece.

 

However, the wording of the sentence "And 43 percent of Americans say that Occupy Wall Street represents the sentiment of most Americans." is just awkward.

 

Does that mean that 43 percent of the Americans (or rather the people who have been polled) can say what the sentiments of an even larger part of the Americans are? If I understand it correct, 43% of the Americans have some strange idea where they can tell what other people think (or should think).

It seemed clear to me the sentiment is Occupy Wall Street (1%), so while I agree that the poll phrasing/question sucks... the Tea Party originally surfaced because of the Bank/Wall Street bailouts. Yet was co-opted by private interests and the media as purely a obama birther/cut government grass roots movement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2zYaKXeyXE

lol, let's turn this into a Chomsky thread

Love the Buckly vs. Chomsky interview/argument.

But I disagree with the notion that the T party sentiments and the Occupy sentiments can be easily added up. They're both sentiments, and I'd agree there's lots of it from both (or rather, all) sides of the political spectrum. And the starting point of those sentiments may even be the same (although that could be argued). But the views on how to solve the problems are vastly different, imo. So in that way, I disagree with you that a huge majority of the Americans is aligned with the Occupy movement. And given the way the polls were presented, I think there are enough reasons not to draw those conclusions. The implication of saying that a large majority of Americans share their sentiments with the Occupy movement may be that that large majority agree on how to solve the current issues. Which is obviously not the case, imo.

  On 11/9/2012 at 11:13 AM, Awepittance said:

lol, let's turn this into a Chomsky thread

:wtf:

too much...time on my hands

  On 11/9/2012 at 7:35 PM, Rubin Farr said:

 

too much...time on my hands

I gotta admit though, I'm impressed that a 65-year-old man is following the latest trends amongst our youth.

  On 11/9/2012 at 9:21 AM, Awepittance said:

  On 11/9/2012 at 6:44 AM, vamos scorcho said:

so what you got 2 say 2 those tears Awepittance?

 

I neither feel elated or horribly disappointed, if i could cry from my apathy i would. Have you stopped trolling both threads now? Forgive me if i'm mistaken, i just honestly couldn't tell from your posts.

I've never been a troll and I'll never be a troll. I'm an arist.

take the concept of the "Avatar" to it's logical conclusion.

  On 11/9/2012 at 8:03 PM, ambermonk said:

  On 11/9/2012 at 7:35 PM, Rubin Farr said:

 

too much...time on my hands

 

I gotta admit though, I'm impressed that a 65-year-old man is following the latest trends amongst our youth.

duh it's shopped

  On 11/9/2012 at 10:03 PM, vamos scorcho said:

 

I've never been a troll and I'll never be a troll. I'm an arist.

 

trolling is a art

Did our Žižek respond to this in any way?

  On 11/9/2012 at 10:14 AM, Awepittance said:

I promise this will be the last time i post something 'negative' in this thread, it is from a fellow extremist

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mA4HYTO790&feature=share

It only seems that way because Obama is just following orders just like Bush did, he is just continuing the plan.

  On 11/9/2012 at 10:32 PM, Rubin Farr said:

  On 11/9/2012 at 8:03 PM, ambermonk said:

  On 11/9/2012 at 7:35 PM, Rubin Farr said:

 

too much...time on my hands

 

I gotta admit though, I'm impressed that a 65-year-old man is following the latest trends amongst our youth.

duh it's shopped

Dammit. Should've known better than to trust the Internet.

Thanks for making my thread enjoyable guys, I'm pretty shit at making successful ones.

Also, this Chomsky dude is ace!

  On 11/10/2012 at 12:12 AM, YO303 said:

  On 11/9/2012 at 10:14 AM, Awepittance said:

I promise this will be the last time i post something 'negative' in this thread, it is from a fellow extremist

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mA4HYTO790&feature=share

 

It only seems that way because Obama is just following orders just like Bush did, he is just continuing the plan.

what is "the plan" exactly/?

to create a race of human alien hybrids and repopulate the earth with them

TRUST NO ONE

  On 11/11/2012 at 10:33 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

what is "the plan" exactly/?

as far as i can see it's to normalize neo conservatism and sell hidden black-ops CIA policies (kidnapping, torture, targeted assassinations, spying without warrants) that we've been doing for the past 60 years in secret to America by marketing them/making them public as protective measures. So far it's worked really well. IF you keep egregious policies going for long enough they become normal. Unlike interment of the Japanese or the McCarthy era, or even the curtail of civil liberties during the Civil War, the 'war on terror' spans generations which will normalize what happens as a result of the 'war on terror'. Another part of the plan i believe is to keep America in a perpetual state of fear, not just fear of terrorism but also a subconscious fear that if you cross an un defined invisible line you could appear on some 'list'. The chilling effect was the way the Soviet Union kept their population in line, in the US it's taken on a different but similar flavor.

GG breaks it down

  On 11/11/2012 at 10:33 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

  On 11/10/2012 at 12:12 AM, YO303 said:

  On 11/9/2012 at 10:14 AM, Awepittance said:

I promise this will be the last time i post something 'negative' in this thread, it is from a fellow extremist

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mA4HYTO790&feature=share

 

It only seems that way because Obama is just following orders just like Bush did, he is just continuing the plan.

 

what is "the plan" exactly/?

fuck bitches make money

  On 11/11/2012 at 11:20 PM, Hoodie said:

  On 11/11/2012 at 10:33 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

  On 11/10/2012 at 12:12 AM, YO303 said:

  On 11/9/2012 at 10:14 AM, Awepittance said:

I promise this will be the last time i post something 'negative' in this thread, it is from a fellow extremist

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mA4HYTO790&feature=share

 

It only seems that way because Obama is just following orders just like Bush did, he is just continuing the plan.

 

what is "the plan" exactly/?

 

fuck bitches make money

First true statement in this thread.