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  On 11/23/2012 at 3:35 PM, MisterE said:

actually it sounds just right. for aphex mythology. you know what i'm talking about. all the lies he used to promote his stuff.

:)

 

speaking of which i just got an idea on how to top richard d james. instead of composing music in my sleep while lucid dreaming, ever see that movie flatliners? but here's a TRUE story, i didn't have a twin, but i AM actually a clone of myself... FROM THE FUTURE.

go tell all your friends. wait, no. wait until i get a record pressed and have something to sell.

If you have spent any time creating music you've probably experienced the state where you begin to be able to lucidly compose music. I've experienced this myself and talked to others who have had similar experiences. In this state it is very easy to separate different tracks in the music and it seems almost effortless to compose an entire song. I believe this is what he was referring to when he made those comments. Using varying forms of sleep states as inspiration for music doesn't seem like too much of stretch to me. Some of my most affected states are when I've awoken from a dream. Your cynicism is extremely annoying. It is one thing to dislike something or disagree with people, but being a blatant sarcastic asshole isn't really adding much to the discussion and it makes you look like a prick. Also, I imagine antivirus would use both filenames and other forms of detection for viruses so the theory isn't a bad one.

  On 11/23/2012 at 6:26 PM, joshuatx said:

  On 11/14/2012 at 11:09 PM, PhonicBoyOnDope said:

  On 11/13/2012 at 9:53 PM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

 

 

Thank you PBOD

 

Nice, i've seriously always thought that would look awesome on a wall somewhere, well done

 

ditto, perfect way to display it. I imagine there's candy bowl with Aphex Twin chocolate coins nearby, amirite?

haha I wish, but honestly I would be too tempted to eat them. I wouldn't mind having an Aphex umbrella though.

Someone stole my umbrella. Well cheesed off.

I've got the chocolate coins (2 sets) available for purchase in my little clearing house sale... wouldn't contemplate eating them now though!

  On 11/27/2012 at 8:31 AM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

I wouldn't mind having an Aphex umbrella though.

EZ 2 make

lol did you paint an Aphex logo on a clear plastic umbrella?

  On 11/27/2012 at 10:36 PM, elusive4 said:

  On 11/27/2012 at 8:31 AM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

I wouldn't mind having an Aphex umbrella though.

 

EZ 2 make

Geez, is anything you own original?

  On 11/27/2012 at 8:31 AM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

If you have spent any time creating music you've probably experienced the state where you begin to be able to lucidly compose music. I've experienced this myself and talked to others who have had similar experiences. In this state it is very easy to separate different tracks in the music and it seems almost effortless to compose an entire song. I believe this is what he was referring to when he made those comments. Using varying forms of sleep states as inspiration for music doesn't seem like too much of stretch to me. Some of my most affected states are when I've awoken from a dream. Your cynicism is extremely annoying. It is one thing to dislike something or disagree with people, but being a blatant sarcastic asshole isn't really adding much to the discussion and it makes you look like a prick. Also, I imagine antivirus would use both filenames and other forms of detection for viruses so the theory isn't a bad one.

ya know, i would say that your complete lack of skepticism when dealing with the surrounding world is annoying, but i don't really care about you or what you think. it's weird to me that how i think bothers you so much. i also think it's funny that you think i'm somehow being a jerk for honestly thinking that aphex has made shit up to mess with people in those interviews, even though he has admitted to having that type of personality and to enjoying fucking with people. i'm not the only person around who thinks that he may have been joking, exaggerating, outright lying, or just trying to create an 'air of mystery' with some of those interviews.

hey look guy, if you like to build up your heroes and believe everything they say without exercising any critical thinking, that's ok, you do that. but i'm not going to turn my bullshit detector off, because my using my brain hurts your feelings. what is it with people like you who feel personally threatened if someone makes the smallest comment critical of any aspect of their heroes?

beyond that though, you're also trying to shove more off onto me. you not only expect me to believe that just like aphex you also easily compose tracks in your sleep, down to the last detail, but also that *anyone* who has ever spent any time making music should be familiar with this experience.

uh oh

  On 11/28/2012 at 6:03 AM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

uh oh

track in your sig is kind of slick

nice

  On 11/28/2012 at 5:37 AM, MisterE said:

  On 11/27/2012 at 8:31 AM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

If you have spent any time creating music you've probably experienced the state where you begin to be able to lucidly compose music. I've experienced this myself and talked to others who have had similar experiences. In this state it is very easy to separate different tracks in the music and it seems almost effortless to compose an entire song. I believe this is what he was referring to when he made those comments. Using varying forms of sleep states as inspiration for music doesn't seem like too much of stretch to me. Some of my most affected states are when I've awoken from a dream. Your cynicism is extremely annoying. It is one thing to dislike something or disagree with people, but being a blatant sarcastic asshole isn't really adding much to the discussion and it makes you look like a prick. Also, I imagine antivirus would use both filenames and other forms of detection for viruses so the theory isn't a bad one.

 

 

 

ya know, i would say that your complete lack of skepticism when dealing with the surrounding world is annoying, but i don't really care about you or what you think. it's weird to me that how i think bothers you so much. i also think it's funny that you think i'm somehow being a jerk for honestly thinking that aphex has made shit up to mess with people in those interviews, even though he has admitted to having that type of personality and to enjoying fucking with people. i'm not the only person around who thinks that he may have been joking, exaggerating, outright lying, or just trying to create an 'air of mystery' with some of those interviews.

 

hey look guy, if you like to build up your heroes and believe everything they say without exercising any critical thinking, that's ok, you do that. but i'm not going to turn my bullshit detector off, because my using my brain hurts your feelings. what is it with people like you who feel personally threatened if someone makes the smallest comment critical of any aspect of their heroes?

 

beyond that though, you're also trying to shove more off onto me. you not only expect me to believe that just like aphex you also easily compose tracks in your sleep, down to the last detail, but also that *anyone* who has ever spent any time making music should be familiar with this experience.

for a while when i was green I tried to argue with people that Analord employed digital recording methods or that Richard didn't actually live in a bank vault, etc. I gave up a long fucking time ago. Some people just want to believe.

I think its much more interesting that Aphex mocks interviews themselves as a concept and uses them as a springboard to create a hilarious and mostly unbelievable mythology about himself.

I'm still waiting for some kind of evidence of his legendary Knitting Factory performance where he put a microphone in a blender and played records made of sand paper. It's fucking hilarious even if he didn't do it, because he described it in detail as if it really happened. I find his ability to lie and fuck with interviewers extremely inspiring, moreso than any of the stories he tells in them.

and not to get in the middle of this argument, but your 'cyncisim' is somewhat refreshing, knowing that i'm not the only one who gets a a hearty good lol out of the mostly hard to believe AFX mythology

  On 11/28/2012 at 5:37 AM, MisterE said:

  On 11/27/2012 at 8:31 AM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

If you have spent any time creating music you've probably experienced the state where you begin to be able to lucidly compose music. I've experienced this myself and talked to others who have had similar experiences. In this state it is very easy to separate different tracks in the music and it seems almost effortless to compose an entire song. I believe this is what he was referring to when he made those comments. Using varying forms of sleep states as inspiration for music doesn't seem like too much of stretch to me. Some of my most affected states are when I've awoken from a dream. Your cynicism is extremely annoying. It is one thing to dislike something or disagree with people, but being a blatant sarcastic asshole isn't really adding much to the discussion and it makes you look like a prick. Also, I imagine antivirus would use both filenames and other forms of detection for viruses so the theory isn't a bad one.

 

 

 

ya know, i would say that your complete lack of skepticism when dealing with the surrounding world is annoying, but i don't really care about you or what you think. it's weird to me that how i think bothers you so much. i also think it's funny that you think i'm somehow being a jerk for honestly thinking that aphex has made shit up to mess with people in those interviews, even though he has admitted to having that type of personality and to enjoying fucking with people. i'm not the only person around who thinks that he may have been joking, exaggerating, outright lying, or just trying to create an 'air of mystery' with some of those interviews.

 

hey look guy, if you like to build up your heroes and believe everything they say without exercising any critical thinking, that's ok, you do that. but i'm not going to turn my bullshit detector off, because my using my brain hurts your feelings. what is it with people like you who feel personally threatened if someone makes the smallest comment critical of any aspect of their heroes?

 

beyond that though, you're also trying to shove more off onto me. you not only expect me to believe that just like aphex you also easily compose tracks in your sleep, down to the last detail, but also that *anyone* who has ever spent any time making music should be familiar with this experience.

It is your attitude and the tone of your posts that bothers me. You have now posted in two Aphex threads just being a cock about things. I don't get why you even come into the Aphex forum. I'm sure Aphex has lied/exaggerated/joked about things before and I wasn't disputing that at all. But I've actually taken time to examine a lot of the things he has said and reflected on how they relate to my personal experiences. I don't really give a shit what you say about Aphex because I'm not trying to stand up for him or protect him. That hasn't been the point of any of my posts regarding your comments. I'm going to stand up for the people that make music on this site and any other people who are passionate about making music because I don't understand why people would get so cynical and negative about such a positive thing. I think electronic music is strictly about the music itself and not any of these external factors people try to bring into the mix. When people start involving all these things that are irrelevant to whether the music is good or not it bothers me. This is more in response to stuff you said in the other thread though.

I was also offering up plausible answers to things you thought were lies. You seem to write these things off so easily because you don't understand that they may be true. Not only that but you now have personally attacked me, assumed things about me, and lumped me into some abstract category. I would never be offended about you making a comment about Aphex Twin because I've made negative comments about most of the featured artists. I have no personal connection with any of them other than with their music. I even met Aphex and he was kind of a dick to me so his personal character and the way he is perceived by others is of no importance to me. If you want to be critical about the music then you might have an argument that I'm emotionally invested in because I love it.

You've also exaggerated my comments about lucidly being able to compose music or at the very least you've misunderstood. Also, this has only happened to me a handful of times and it was when I was spending 12 hours a day making music. It is the same thing as falling asleep and still playing a videogame in your head because the images and the game have been so ingrained into your brain that you can't shake it. I didn't remember any of the songs I had going through my head when I woke up which interestingly enough is one of the challenges I believe Aphex described during the whole process. Also, I have confirmed this experience with other people so why is it so hard to believe?

  On 11/28/2012 at 6:52 AM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

I even met Aphex and he was kind of a dick to me

I'd be curious to read this story, if you're up for it.

  On 11/28/2012 at 6:52 AM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

You've also exaggerated my comments about lucidly being able to compose music or at the very least you've misunderstood. Also, this has only happened to me a handful of times and it was when I was spending 12 hours a day making music. It is the same thing as falling asleep and still playing a videogame in your head because the images and the game have been so ingrained into your brain that you can't shake it. I didn't remember any of the songs I had going through my head when I woke up which interestingly enough is one of the challenges I believe Aphex described during the whole process. Also, I have confirmed this experience with other people so why is it so hard to believe?

I've definitely experienced this and have never been able to remember them after.

i dont think i wrote anything from scratch but def came up with melodies and arrangements in sleep. i always remember the bits that were least out of my league. like, orhestral pieces i won't really recall, but if it's some techno thing then yeah. it's possible.

Thing is with SAW II is that it's very straightforward and repetitive

I'd have a hard time believing somebody dreamed a orchestral piece. But the three note texture on Stone in Focus? Sure.

i guess i have be a jerk and ask if you think that maybe all the people who took LSD and imagined while on it that they figured out teh SECRETS OF THE UNIVERSE, but then they conveiniently always forget it when they come down, if you think those people actually had figured out the meaning of the universe.. ?

point is, it's a big difference between dreaming that you wrote a song and forgetting the song, and actually composing a song in your sleep then arranging it when you wake up. do i think this is possible? YES. i've had lucid dreams. maybe around 3 in my lifetime, and only one that i really remember the details of and i was a kid when it happened. so i know they are real. i understand that you could do mental things inside one. and i understand that remembering dreams is a problem (look up lucid dreaming and how to get them and there are plenty of methods for increasing memory of these things).

so with all i've said here, i do agree that it's possible. i also still think that it's entirely possible that some of you reporting about your own experiences just had a dream about composing music after you read aphex interviews. the actual act of composing could have been mostly illusory, and the 'music' you composed could have been giberish. if you can't remember what you composed, you have no way of knowing.

  On 11/27/2012 at 8:31 AM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

I don't get why you even come into the Aphex forum.

because i feel like it?

  On 11/27/2012 at 8:31 AM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

I'm sure Aphex has lied/exaggerated/joked about things before and I wasn't disputing that at all. But I've actually taken time to examine a lot of the things he has said and reflected on how they relate to my personal experiences. I don't really give a shit what you say about Aphex because I'm not trying to stand up for him or protect him. That hasn't been the point of any of my posts regarding your comments. I'm going to stand up for the people that make music on this site and any other people who are passionate about making music because I don't understand why people would get so cynical and negative about such a positive thing.

here you are rambling in vagaries, trying to get out of what you said. you kept throwing around the word cynicism and cynical at me, when i accused aphex of lying or using interviews to fool with people to seem super genius or mysterious and ultimately create a legend/mythology that helps sell records. your using the word cynical to describe me in that context is doing everything you are denying here in this paragraph. but your denial just kind of denies it and muddles the issue by bringing in general 'negativity' about 'music' which should be a 'positive thing'. when did i ever say anything about or cynical about aphex's music? and you're also bringing some other thread where i said something about analord wannabee musics into this right? so basically you don't like me because i made a comment that struck a nerve. well, i don't know, maybe my comment was too harsh or blunt but i can't really take it back because i still kind of feel that way. i'm not saying analord knock offs can't be good, but just that i think it's kind of.. well, they are analord knock offs. lots of people in places like hong kong shamelessly make knock offs their entire lives so i guess it's subjective.

  On 11/27/2012 at 8:31 AM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

I think electronic music is strictly about the music itself and not any of these external factors people try to bring into the mix. When people start involving all these things that are irrelevant to whether the music is good or not it bothers me. This is more in response to stuff you said in the other thread though.

again, you're being very vague which i take to mean that you can't really rebut my points. you're also being very wishy-washy here.

  On 11/27/2012 at 8:31 AM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

You've also exaggerated my comments about lucidly being able to compose music or at the very least you've misunderstood......It is the same thing as falling asleep and still playing a videogame in your head because the images and the game have been so ingrained into your brain that you can't shake it. I didn't remember any of the songs I had going through my head when I woke up....

  On 11/27/2012 at 8:31 AM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

....In this state it is very easy to separate different tracks in the music and it seems almost effortless to compose an entire song...

no as you can see i don't think i exaggerated anything at all. you claimed it was 'easy to separate different tracks' and 'almost effortless to compose an entire song', trying to sound like aphex. then later you change it to 'i kinda think i maybe kinda did, but i really can't say because i completely forgot right afterwards'. two totally different stories if you ask me.

  On 11/28/2012 at 9:13 PM, MisterE said:

i guess i have be a jerk and ask if you think that maybe all the people who took LSD and imagined while on it that they figured out teh SECRETS OF THE UNIVERSE, but then they conveiniently always forget it when they come down, if you think those people actually had figured out the meaning of the universe.. ?

point is, it's a big difference between dreaming that you wrote a song and forgetting the song, and actually composing a song in your sleep then arranging it when you wake up. do i think this is possible? YES. i've had lucid dreams. maybe around 3 in my lifetime, and only one that i really remember the details of and i was a kid when it happened. so i know they are real. i understand that you could do mental things inside one. and i understand that remembering dreams is a problem (look up lucid dreaming and how to get them and there are plenty of methods for increasing memory of these things).

 

so with all i've said here, i do agree that it's possible. i also still think that it's entirely possible that some of you reporting about your own experiences just had a dream about composing music after you read aphex interviews. the actual act of composing could have been mostly illusory, and the 'music' you composed could have been giberish. if you can't remember what you composed, you have no way of knowing.

 

  On 11/27/2012 at 8:31 AM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

I don't get why you even come into the Aphex forum.

because i feel like it?

  On 11/27/2012 at 8:31 AM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

I'm sure Aphex has lied/exaggerated/joked about things before and I wasn't disputing that at all. But I've actually taken time to examine a lot of the things he has said and reflected on how they relate to my personal experiences. I don't really give a shit what you say about Aphex because I'm not trying to stand up for him or protect him. That hasn't been the point of any of my posts regarding your comments. I'm going to stand up for the people that make music on this site and any other people who are passionate about making music because I don't understand why people would get so cynical and negative about such a positive thing.

here you are rambling in vagaries, trying to get out of what you said. you kept throwing around the word cynicism and cynical at me, when i accused aphex of lying or using interviews to fool with people to seem super genius or mysterious and ultimately create a legend/mythology that helps sell records. your using the word cynical to describe me in that context is doing everything you are denying here in this paragraph. but your denial just kind of denies it and muddles the issue by bringing in general 'negativity' about 'music' which should be a 'positive thing'. when did i ever say anything about or cynical about aphex's music? and you're also bringing some other thread where i said something about analord wannabee musics into this right? so basically you don't like me because i made a comment that struck a nerve. well, i don't know, maybe my comment was too harsh or blunt but i can't really take it back because i still kind of feel that way. i'm not saying analord knock offs can't be good, but just that i think it's kind of.. well, they are analord knock offs. lots of people in places like hong kong shamelessly make knock offs their entire lives so i guess it's subjective.

  On 11/27/2012 at 8:31 AM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

I think electronic music is strictly about the music itself and not any of these external factors people try to bring into the mix. When people start involving all these things that are irrelevant to whether the music is good or not it bothers me. This is more in response to stuff you said in the other thread though.

again, you're being very vague which i take to mean that you can't really rebut my points. you're also being very wishy-washy here.

  On 11/27/2012 at 8:31 AM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

You've also exaggerated my comments about lucidly being able to compose music or at the very least you've misunderstood......It is the same thing as falling asleep and still playing a videogame in your head because the images and the game have been so ingrained into your brain that you can't shake it. I didn't remember any of the songs I had going through my head when I woke up....

  On 11/27/2012 at 8:31 AM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

....In this state it is very easy to separate different tracks in the music and it seems almost effortless to compose an entire song...

no as you can see i don't think i exaggerated anything at all. you claimed it was 'easy to separate different tracks' and 'almost effortless to compose an entire song', trying to sound like aphex. then later you change it to 'i kinda think i maybe kinda did, but i really can't say because i completely forgot right afterwards'. two totally different stories if you ask me.

Jesus Christ you're a fucking idiot. Go away. You are unbelievably obtuse. To a point that is painful for me to read your posts. I'm just going to ignore everything you say from this point on.

  On 11/28/2012 at 11:49 AM, kinski said:

i dont think i wrote anything from scratch but def came up with melodies and arrangements in sleep. i always remember the bits that were least out of my league. like, orhestral pieces i won't really recall, but if it's some techno thing then yeah. it's possible.

With me it's always as I'm falling asleep, mind gets really imaginative and strange - it like tangents without effort. Not lucid exactly dreaming, more like amplified brainstorming.

  On 11/28/2012 at 11:51 AM, solarion said:

Thing is with SAW II is that it's very straightforward and repetitive

 

I'd have a hard time believing somebody dreamed a orchestral piece. But the three note texture on Stone in Focus? Sure.

^agreed, and all the sleep/lucid dreamig composing in general makes me think only of SAWII

again, yes i do think it's possible. but having read about lucid dreams plenty, long ago (i think there was/is even a whole usenet group dedicated to them), and using wikipedia to grab a name and some details i've forgotten, i know this much-

you got this guy, Stephen LaBerge who was all 'i want to study lucid dreams, but to do that i have to haves them' so then 'how do i do that?' later, he was 'i'll just have to come up with a method'. it's pretty tricky dicky stuff what he did.it also takes lots and lots of practice to do it consistently. the guy basicaly had to train himself.

aphex's interviews never mention anything about such training. just casually drops that he just sort of, happens to have them all the time. dude from stanford who basically pioneered in this field and dedicated his study to it, must be a tard? or just aphex is that super geniusz0rs? i think lucid dreams are not that common with most people, and it's a subject interesting enough to make dumb movies staring leonardo decaprio, so why is it just a casual thing for aphex to mention? if you actually got to the point where you could harness these things i think it would be a bit more bragable, and you'd point out the work it took. instead aphex goes the super prodigal route and basically claims he almost just automatically had the ability. this is the crux of my doubts. combine this with his 'natural synesthesia' which has become another thing that everyone fantasizes about having since his interviews, and he's just a regular special person and a half. he can barely be said to be human at this point.

he said he 'tought himself to do it when he was little', he didn't mention a book or guide or anything. in a later interview he said he trained himself for a year, but he was specifically talking about the remembering the dreams part, not the actual triggering of lucid dreams, which seems like the much harder part. is it still possible that richard really is/was this super child prodigy who had super brain powers as a kid, and is basically the alfred einstein of electronic music? sure, i guess. maybe he's from planet krypton.

  On 11/28/2012 at 11:51 AM, solarion said:

Thing is with SAW II is that it's very straightforward and repetitive

 

I'd have a hard time believing somebody dreamed a orchestral piece. But the three note texture on Stone in Focus? Sure.

ok yeah i agree, it's more believable with SAW II, but it's also still in the realm of possibility that the whole thing was an idea on how to promote the album. and at the very least he minimized the work it took him to be able to consistently have these things to make it sound like everything just came natural to him as a kid, including things that took smart people a really long time to find out, even with it being the focus of their studies while at prestigious colleges. either way, some part of the story is likely bunk.

  On 11/28/2012 at 10:08 PM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

Jesus Christ you're a fucking idiot. Go away. You are unbelievably obtuse. To a point that is painful for me to read your posts. I'm just going to ignore everything you say from this point on.

i've been at least attempting to exercise my logic abilities to think my responses up and to lay out arguments/points. you reply with this. it's easy to call someone a fucking idiot or obtuse without providing examples or ever laying out a specific point, or basically saying anything that isn't just emotion gushing out all over the place. i won't lose any sleep over thinking on whether i said something out of line here.

  On 11/28/2012 at 6:36 AM, Awepittance said:

I'm still waiting for some kind of evidence of his legendary Knitting Factory performance where he put a microphone in a blender and played records made of sand paper. It's fucking hilarious even if he didn't do it, because he described it in detail as if it really happened.

You may be interested in this record :

http://www.discogs.com/release/631534

  On 11/28/2012 at 10:43 PM, Diabrotikos said:

  On 11/28/2012 at 6:36 AM, Awepittance said:

I'm still waiting for some kind of evidence of his legendary Knitting Factory performance where he put a microphone in a blender and played records made of sand paper. It's fucking hilarious even if he didn't do it, because he described it in detail as if it really happened.

 

You may be interested in this record :

 

http://www.discogs.com/release/631534

Well if that isn't a pisstake I don't know what is...