SAE Education Essay on Aphex Twin/ Max Msp algorythm patch

Hey Zoe

i've read a bunch of your posts on other threads and they always prove to be very insightful!

Ill put this code into supercollider and check it out, thanks!!

can i ask? where you sourced this code from?

Admittedly I'm not up on SuperCollider but that appears to just rotate a shape in 3 dimensions (the AFX logo maybe?)

Thanks for the kind words!

  On 12/3/2013 at 5:41 PM, Defn said:

can i ask? where you sourced this code from?

Sure. The SuperCollider mailing list archives, specifically this message:

  Quote

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:53:49 +0000
From: eric_hard_jams <---@---.--->
Subject: Re: [OT] Don't feed the trolls


> a dancing bears patch?
>
> cheers,
>
> christian
>
> umm.. no how about this its the only NON sound patch i've got,apart from a
tron game patch I posted here a long time ago,
looks pretty,
oh its SC 1 aswell of course.
let me know what ye think.

defaudioout L R;

var zss ox oy oz thX thY thZ;

init{

guiPort.setPort;

changeOR;

`startStop.dspStart;

}

startStop{

1.dspKill;

}

start{

}

C {arg r g b;

^newColor(r*64000,g*64000,b*64000)

}

changeOR{

zss=13.getItemValue;
thX=9.getItemValue;
thY=10.getItemValue;
thZ=11.getItemValue;
drawGraph

}

move3{arg i,x,y,z;

r=i.itemRect;
l=r.left;
t=r.top;
w=r.width- 1;
h=r.height- 1;
c=rot(x,y,0.5,0.5,thX);x=c@0;y=c@1;
c=rot(x,z,0.5,0.5,thY);x=c@0;z=c@1;
c=rot(y,z,0.5,0.5,thZ);y=c@0;z=c@1;
x=x*w;
y=y*h;
z=z*13.679+zss;
idx=1/(z/10+1);
x1=l+x;
y1=t+h-y;
x2=l+(0.5*w);
y2=t+h-(0.5*h);
x3=(x1*idx)+(x2*(1- idx));
y3=(y1*idx)+(y2*(1- idx));
ox=x3;
oy=y3;
oz=z;

}

line3{arg i,x,y,z;

r=i.itemRect;
l=r.left;
t=r.top;
w=r.width- 1;
h=r.height- 1;
c=rot(x,y,0.5,0.5,thX);x=c@0;y=c@1;
c=rot(x,z,0.5,0.5,thY);x=c@0;z=c@1;
c=rot(y,z,0.5,0.5,thZ);y=c@0;z=c@1;
x=x*w;
y=y*h;
z=z*13.679+zss;
idx=1/(z/10+1);
x1=l+x;
y1=t+h-y;
x2=l+(0.5*w);
y2=t+h-(0.5*h);
x3=(x1*idx)+(x2*(1- idx));
y3=(y1*idx)+(y2*(1- idx));
c=clip3(x3,y3,ox,oy,l,t,h,w);
if (c@2) then
moveTo(c@0,c@1);
c=clip3(ox,oy,x3,y3,l,t,h,w);
lineTo(c@0,c@1);
end.if
ox=x3;
oy=y3;
oz=z;

}

rot{arg a1,a2,b1,b2,th2;

r=((((b1-a1)**2).realPart)+(((b2-a2)**2).realPart))**0.5;
th=atan((b2-a2)/(b1-a1));
if ((b1-a1)>=0) then
th=(th)- º;
end.if
th=th+th2;
if r!=0 then
x=b1+(r*cos(th));
y=b2+(r*sin(th));
else
x=a1;
y=a2;
end.if
^[x,y];

}

clip3{arg x1,y1,x2,y2,l,t,h,w;
if ((y1.asInt)!=(y2.asInt)) then
y3=y2.clip(t,t+h);
x3=((y3-y1)*(x2-x1)/(y2-y1)+x1);
else
x3=x2.clip(l,l+w);
y3=y2;
end
if ((x1.asInt)!=(x3.asInt)) then
x4=x3.clip(l,l+w);
y4=(x4-x1)*(y3-y1)/(x3-x1)+y1
else
x4=x3;
y4=y3.clip(t,t+h);
end
x4=x4.clip(l,l+w);
y4=y4.clip(t,t+h);
^[x4,y4,1];
}

drawGraph{

i=1;
r=i.itemRect;
l=r.left;
t=r.top;
w=r.width- 1;
h=r.height- 1;

C(0,0,0).backColor;
C(0,1,0).foreColor;
r.eraseRect;

xm=5.getItemValue;
ym=6.getItemValue;
zm=7.getItemValue;
dp=8.getItemValue;

x=0;
x1=(x/xm).sin+1/2;
y1=(x+º/ym).sin+1/2;
z1=(x/zm).sin+1/2;
i.move3(x1,y1,z1);

for x=0;x<dp;x=x+1 do
x1=(x/xm).sin+1/2;
y1=(x+º/ym).sin+1/2;
z1=(x/zm).sin+1/2;
ci=(x1).map(0,1,0.3,1);
ci=(y1).map(0,1,0.3,1);
ci=(z1).map(0,1,0.3,1);
C(x1,y1,z1).foreColor;
i.line3(x1,y1,z1);
end.for

}
eric
:)

Warning: he doesn't come off very well in these archives. His music's often great, though.

And of course, it's no surprise to see that Marf posted a link to this two years ago. I think he's the one who showed it to me too, if memory serves.

what is his moniker? on the link you posted

thanks zoe

sorry i mean if you click on the link you posted, then go on the message archives @ this link http://www.audiosynth.com/files/sc-users-archive/

then which user is it?

Richard's old email used to be eric_hard_jams@btinternet.com back on the SC mailing list.

  On 12/3/2013 at 10:18 PM, Defn said:

what is his moniker? on the link you posted

 

thanks zoe

sorry i mean if you click on the link you posted, then go on the message archives @ this link http://www.audiosynth.com/files/sc-users-archive/

 

then which user is it?

As above, Eric Hard Jams, a pretty simple anagram of Richard James (just move the E). Just search for "var zss ox oy oz thX thY thZ" to find that post.

BTW you should get some extra points if you spell it 'Algorithm' rather than 'Algorythm' in your essay ...

What about Alcorythms?

yeah soz about the spelling, i always just rush with my typing. I doubt it's that important for forum posts!

Does anyone have anything else to chip in with? maybe some handy tutorial vids or books on DSP?

I also have to do another essay next year and i was going to base it on controlling a analogue modular system, via a algorithm in max/msp and then have a interface with a ipad controlling the patch, using lemur or mira app!

so if anyone has any thoughts that be great!!

I've got these two books and they're bloody ace - especially the one on the left:

oh yeah i came across the one on the left recently, think ill place an order for both of these tonight!!

cheers for heads up!!

The one on the right has pages that feel nice - sounds weird but when you get it you'll understand !

They're quite heavy going but I promise you - If you persevere (as I'm trying to !) you'll learn a hell of a lot about both the Max and MSP realm, and audio design in general

Online there's the Baz Tutorials that I've been meaning to follow, but they've come highly recommended - http://www.youtube.com/user/BazTutorials/videos

Aphex use Max/MSP? Are you sure?

Possibly - I mean there's a chance the piano stuff from Drukqs and his recent live performance was a custom Max patch triggering some external hardware

fair point. I just never put aphex down as a max user but I guess you can never tell because max is what you build not its own sound that you can spot, although maybe there are clues when you hear something in a certain way

cubus question - is your learning max etc why there has been no new cubus music since forever!

Absolutely, Max can used for anything - to manipulate midi, hardware, audio, video, just anything you can chuck at it ! It's just a tool kit that can make whatever you to do, and can sound as organic and conservative - or as electronic and wild as you want it to be.

Aye, been learning Max & Ableton which has been why there's been so little over the last year. Plus work and personal commitments (especially for the other half of cubus) has meant I've just had so little time being able to focus on anything. This was my first real thing since moving from Buzz - http://cytoplantastic.bandcamp.com/track/rejected

And the soundtrack to this being my second -

I wouldn't say Aphex is just a core MAX user, as he states on the super collider archives that he tends to use supercollider for big patches, where as he states that things like max & reaktor are good for just small patches.

all this + metasynth...me thinks?

but who knows could all be internet speculation

and hello to jason isaacs

defn have you checked audible design by trevor wishart?

is ace for learning about spectral processing, think it was made for this soft:http://www.composersdesktop.com/

I suppose its possible to implement the ideas in max

heres a nice video of rich and max

peace

  On 12/5/2013 at 12:50 AM, Defn said:

I wouldn't say Aphex is just a core MAX user, as he states on the super collider archives that he tends to use supercollider for big patches, where as he states that things like max & reaktor are good for just small patches.

  On 12/4/2013 at 11:16 PM, mcbpete said:

Possibly - I mean there's a chance the piano stuff from Drukqs and his recent live performance was a custom Max patch triggering some external hardware

Huh, apparently so.