Fox News Goes After Pope

  On 12/17/2013 at 4:22 AM, gmanyo said:

I haven't read all the posts, but I would like to say that I'm not a fan of Pascal's wager. There are better reasons to believe in God than "what if it IS real?"

Me neither. I hope people didn't get that impression.

I don't agree with that MisterE, I think anyone who engages in discussion is taken seriously. You do have a penchant for polemics.

Limpy, I totally agree with you that faith in things you can depend on in daily life is very productive. However, I personally believe in some things that are not peer-reviewed, and in fact are dismissed as silly by people much more intelligent than I am. There are things that I feel or sense that aren't backed up by science [which only has a canon because it's open to complete rewriting under new observations]. So for me, the peer review process can't always be my final indicator of truth.

Science works because it's a slow beast - it observes when forced or paid to, or is too curious to ignore, and then provides a small window of data to apply to the rest of our observations. But there's so much we haven't learned to observe properly. Not to mention the question of whether something can ever be observed unaltered [i think not]. I think we don't know much about how humans work and haven't begun to learn how the rest of the world works. So I keep my private observatory going 24/7, observe a lot of weird shit, and occasionally draw unprovable conclusions. To me, that's also science. It's not your kind, but it's the best I've got, and I like it.

Disparaissant, you have got to be the smartest Walmart employee of all time. If you opened up a Walmart College of Theology and Epistemological Theory, I'd go every Sunday, hidden feminist agenda or no. (just kidding I would love that)

  On 12/17/2013 at 2:50 AM, A/D said:

You were right sheathe! I responded rashly. My apologies.

 

Sheathe, I'm not sure if you're trying to prove something here, but if you are I'm interested to know what it is. You're obviously a smart person.

 

Live well & do things you love. That's my religion, my little slice of things.

My intent in this thread was to present a point of view not typically presented here. I rarely get into this online. Not sure why this time was different. Probably Limpy quoting parables out of context is what drew me out. Whether he was joking or not, the majority of people here would have thought that Jesus really did say that if luke hadn't spoken up, which I saw after I responded.

  On 12/17/2013 at 5:37 AM, A/D said:

I keep my private observatory going 24/7, observe a lot of weird shit, and occasionally draw unprovable conclusions. To me, that's also science. It's not your kind, but it's the best I've got, and I like it.

Me too.

  On 12/17/2013 at 5:32 AM, MisterE said:

except to say that this is probably all a simulation and if it is jesus couldve totally been real and actually walked on water and all that, and the earth really then could be only a few grand yrs old. but carry on

"Generate world. Set age to 4.5999 billion years."

it's a minecraft world and the random seed generator string was FUCKYOU

also thanks a/d. though i'm not sure how flattered i should be lol. fuck walmart, i hate every minute i spend in that god(orlackthereof)forsaken place. GOTTA GET DAT DEGREE.

  On 12/17/2013 at 5:37 AM, A/D said:

I don't agree with that MisterE, I think anyone who engages in discussion is taken seriously. You do have a penchant for polemics.

 

up a Walmart College of Theology and Epistemological Theory, I'd go every Sunday, hidden feminist agenda or no. (just kidding I would love that)

i couldn't count the number of times i've been replied to here with simply 'i can't even begin to explain how much of an idiot you are' or something like that. which is funny, because i think it a basic foundation of the very concept of debate that if someone is wrong... you should be able to explain why. but how exactly does that = being taken seriously to you? i'm the one with a penchant for polemics though, even though i don't think i've ever done that myself. and where are your replies about polemics to the people who will just casually drop comments like assuming that a bomb that just went off was prob a tea bagger? my comments are viewed as more polemic because people here don't share the same opinion. period. and i think the topic is probably already political 9/10 if i ever make a political comment myself. i could prob go post something political in the conspiracies thread right now, and get met with shock about how i'd do something so caaaraaaazy. for real. so spare me the one sided assessment of my character, chief.

  On 12/17/2013 at 5:57 AM, disparaissant said:

it's a minecraft world and the random seed generator string was FUCKYOU

also thanks a/d. though i'm not sure how flattered i should be lol. fuck walmart, i hate every minute i spend in that god(orlackthereof)forsaken place. GOTTA GET DAT DEGREE.

As a woman, you should be able to get full funding at most grad programs. If you don't have your undergrad degree, a lot of art schools accept certificates in lieu of a bachelors. Don't know about other schools. My wife is brown and she got tons of cash. If you are white you might not get as much of a stipend but they will still throw money at you. You just have to go to a slightly under the radar university.

Unless you're already somewhere like yale and have to work due to lack of funding.

  On 12/17/2013 at 6:01 AM, MisterE said:

 

  On 12/17/2013 at 5:37 AM, A/D said:

I don't agree with that MisterE, I think anyone who engages in discussion is taken seriously. You do have a penchant for polemics.

 

up a Walmart College of Theology and Epistemological Theory, I'd go every Sunday, hidden feminist agenda or no. (just kidding I would love that)

i couldn't count the number of times i've been replied to here with simply 'i can't even begin to explain how much of an idiot you are' or something like that. which is funny, because i think it a basic foundation of the very concept of debate that if someone is wrong... you should be able to explain why. but how exactly does that = being taken seriously to you? i'm the one with a penchant for polemics though, even though i don't think i've ever done that myself. and where are your replies about polemics to the people who will just casually drop comments like assuming that a bomb that just went off was prob a tea bagger? my comments are viewed as more polemic because people here don't share the same opinion. period. and i think the topic is probably already political 9/10 if i ever make a political comment myself. i could prob go post something political in the conspiracies thread right now, and get met with shock about how i'd do something so caaaraaaazy. for real. so spare me the one sided assessment of my character, chief.

OK, I apologize for being dismissive. In the interest of being fair I'll go through this response.

Your first point is excellent. In an intellectual debate, one must provide a firm series of conclusions and back them up.

I think people take you seriously because I can see that they've read your posts. They're dismissive because your posts are often not concise, and filled with wounded pride. Instead of focusing on what you're trying to say, you say more because you think you're not being taken seriously. You don't give other people a clear point to respond to - you keep making points, and instead of backing them up, move on. In some ways, the only real response to your posts is a sentence-by-sentence request for clarification, or rebuttal - and that's too time-consuming.

I should have amended my above post to say that my goal is keeping my observatory open 24/7. Sometimes it's hard enough to be conscious after lunch.

  On 12/17/2013 at 6:12 AM, sheatheman said:

As a woman, you should be able to get full funding at most grad programs. If you don't have your undergrad degree, a lot of art schools accept certificates in lieu of a bachelors. Don't know about other schools. My wife is brown and she got tons of cash. If you are white you might not get as much of a stipend but they will still throw money at you. You just have to go to a slightly under the radar university.

 

Unless you're already somewhere like yale and have to work due to lack of funding.

currently working on my undergrad. in fact, i'm majorly slacking off on a research paper by posting in this thread, haha. i work at walmart because i'd rather not max out my student loans every semester, since i am double majoring in history and women's studies, and let's be real: i might as well be double majoring in burger flipping and making change considering the job prospects for someone with those degrees.

i'm half brown tho, specifically native american, so hey maybe that will help! hoping to get into a grad program at uwm where you get an MA in history and a masters of library and information science at the same time. if i can't teach at a college level, a good second choice would be working in archives/special collections at a school.

  On 12/17/2013 at 6:23 AM, disparaissant said:

 

  On 12/17/2013 at 6:12 AM, sheatheman said:

As a woman, you should be able to get full funding at most grad programs. If you don't have your undergrad degree, a lot of art schools accept certificates in lieu of a bachelors. Don't know about other schools. My wife is brown and she got tons of cash. If you are white you might not get as much of a stipend but they will still throw money at you. You just have to go to a slightly under the radar university.

 

Unless you're already somewhere like yale and have to work due to lack of funding.

currently working on my undergrad. in fact, i'm majorly slacking off on a research paper by posting in this thread, haha. i work at walmart because i'd rather not max out my student loans every semester, since i am double majoring in history and women's studies, and let's be real: i might as well be double majoring in burger flipping and making change considering the job prospects for someone with those degrees.

 

i'm half brown tho, specifically native american, so hey maybe that will help! hoping to get into a grad program at uwm where you get an MA in history and a masters of library and information science at the same time. if i can't teach at a college level, a good second choice would be working in archives/special collections at a school.

 

That's honorable of you. Being in debt for 30 years is not a great thing. The number of bachelor's degrees that equal job prospects independently from a portfolio and experience these days are few: Education and Computer Science are the main ones I can think of that have gotten friends/acquaintances jobs quickly. The reality is that a masters is the new bachelors. For those that have not gotten on the other side of a bachelors, heed my warning.

If you really are part native american then you have struck gold. My wife got a special "scholarship for under-represented people groups in transition" stipend that allowed her not to work for a quarter.

If you get an MA then you will be able to get an adjunct job pretty quickly if you have your act together. Slim chance for an assistant professor job as well. My wife had several interviews during her last quarter. She was a finalist for a couple positions but they didn't pan out. She teaches adjunct now and has only been out for 6 months or so, which is pretty good.

If you are brown/female, let me tell you, the sky is the limit. If you are a lesbian and throw the label "partner" around a lot, you are almost guaranteed a job in art academia. I'm not joking at all. I assume it's similar in the right history milieu. An archivist is a prime prospect as well. You could probably be doing that now if you started in an internship.

yeah. i'm trying to wrangle an internship with these dudes at present:

http://www.qzap.org/v5/index.php

anywwwwwways i do want to apologize for being as mean as i was, i am majorly stressed right now so i was letting off steam up in here. that goes for you and mistere.

Everyone in this thread is cool.

I just wish we were all on the same page about slavery being a bad thing.

  On 12/17/2013 at 7:03 AM, LimpyLoo said:

Everyone in this thread is cool.

 

I just wish we were all on the same page about slavery being a bad thing.

I think slavery is evil. I would have harbored slaves had I been alive during that time and I would have died for it.

  On 12/17/2013 at 7:06 AM, sheatheman said:

 

  On 12/17/2013 at 7:03 AM, LimpyLoo said:

Everyone in this thread is cool.

 

I just wish we were all on the same page about slavery being a bad thing.

 

I think slavery is evil. I would have harbored slaves had I been alive during that time and I would have died for it.

 

That's great. Now if we could only get Jesus on board...

:sup:

(rip)

  On 12/17/2013 at 6:48 AM, sheatheman said:

 

If you get an MA then you will be able to get an adjunct job pretty quickly if you have your act together. Slim chance for an assistant professor job as well.

I'm just curious what school would offer an assistant professor position to a person with only an MA?

Every position I've seen advertised requires a PhD.

Disp...the masters in library studies is a great one. Lots of opportunities there...I would have taken that myself if I didn't love what I was studying.

Which is.. ?

Is that question directed to me? I'm doing a Masters in Asia Pacific Policy Studies.

there are adjuncts at my school who only have an MA, however they are all currently in the PhD program... i don't know if someone who just has an MA and is not currently pursuing a PhD would get that opportunity.

plus the pay is a fucking joke, the one guy i know who is in that situation teaches 4 classes and gets paid $11k a year.

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plus the pay is a fucking joke, the one guy i know who is in that situation teaches 4 classes and gets paid $11k a year.

his tuition is probably covered, isn't it ?

part, but not all of it.

  On 12/17/2013 at 5:37 PM, chenGOD said:

I'm just curious what school would offer an assistant professor position to a person with only an MA?

Every position I've seen advertised requires a PhD.

Perhaps I was overstating a bit. I can mainly speak for what is possible with an MFA. Since many MFAs are terminal degrees, assistant professor positions can be had. I know my wife was a finalist for two positions right out of grad school. This is probably not possible with an MA.

I do think that adjunct pay is sad, but if you get it down (build up a your body of lesson plans and material), depending on the school, even if you are teaching 3-4 classes, it's still part time work, which gives you time to produce your own work or pursue your own studies. If you have success in your own pursuits, that can go a long way in getting an assistant professor job.

i mean it may be part time work if you're in the arts or something, but when you're teaching four intro to (insert humanities here) classes, you're gonna end up with hundreds of papers to grade, and it may as well be a full time job at that point. a friend of mine is actually a tenure track professor in english and figured out that she is making roughly minimum wage with how much time she spends outside of class grading english 101 papers.

  On 12/17/2013 at 7:58 PM, sheatheman said:

  On 12/17/2013 at 5:37 PM, chenGOD said:

I'm just curious what school would offer an assistant professor position to a person with only an MA?

Every position I've seen advertised requires a PhD.

Perhaps I was overstating a bit. I can mainly speak for what is possible with an MFA. Since many MFAs are terminal degrees, assistant professor positions can be had. I know my wife was a finalist for two positions right out of grad school. This is probably not possible with an MA.

 

I do think that adjunct pay is sad, but if you get it down (build up a your body of lesson plans and material), depending on the school, even if you are teaching 3-4 classes, it's still part time work, which gives you time to produce your own work or pursue your own studies. If you have success in your own pursuits, that can go a long way in getting an assistant professor job.

Yeah since disp is pursuing studies that are not mfa, that's why I was asking about getting assistant professorship with an ma.

Yes sometimes if you are almost completed your phd you'll be able to get one...but even those are rare in my experience.