new Elektron

I don't have the money for Ekektron gear so far but they really seem to do a good job.

$2000? Fuck that I'll just get some older better gear then.

huh yeah now that you say it, 2000 is a much number lol

  On 1/24/2014 at 1:49 AM, DorkingtonPugsly said:

$2000? Fuck that I'll just get some older better gear then.

What older gear is going to have a programmable 8 voice analog drum machine with sample storage, velocity sensitive pads, effects, built in analog compressor and distortion units and a sequencer in one box? I mean it's not cheap, but it's pretty much a wet dream for people like me who want modern analog drum machines.

(don't say an MPC, because it's just a sampler/sequencer)

  On 1/24/2014 at 2:30 AM, phling said:

huh yeah now that you say it, 2000 is a much number lol

yeaaaah, I was expecting about 1500, this makes me a sad panda.

I'm seeing $1549 USD on their site. Where are you guys getting this $2k number?

this thing is gonna be a beast.

as an owner of both an mpc 1000 & an octatrack, i love seeing this fusion of mpc-style pad playing / muting along with the advanced elektron-style sequencing & parameter locks.

...and with the analog/digital sample layering for each voice this will be an great sound design tool for beats.

  On 1/24/2014 at 3:47 AM, pixelives said:

I'm seeing $1549 USD on their site. Where are you guys getting this $2k number?

Synth pusher here in towns says he's probably gonna be carrying it for $1499. Not sure where the $2000 came from either.

apparently the biggest weakness this has in comparison to the Analog 4 or Machinedrum (yet) is it doesn't have CV sequencing abilities anywhere near the A4 and it doesn't have as many piezo trigger inputs (or any?) as the Machinedrum

please somebody correct me if this is false, i haven't been keeping up with all the namm stuff

it doesn't seem to have any CV out at all.. guess you can use the individual outputs to trigger things but that's it.

there's no mention that the inputs can be used for piezo-triggering the internal sounds either.

so this thing seems quite stripped down..

still pretty cool though, but honestly just played with those forum Elektron packs again last night during an acid-jam and they sound fucking top tier. My tempest never sounded this good, and I'd be very surprised if the drum sounds in the new elektron box are that much more quality than what's already available for the analog4. My guess is that the internal structure of this thing is probably a more limited but more voiced version of the Analog 4 engine.

yea I'd think so... pre-patched percussion patches.. the kicks & toms sound really good though, I think these are not really doable on the A4.

also imo, for interesting snares on the A4 you have to layer several sounds across tracks..

and tbh imo the A4 as drum machine only really BANGS if you use it in unison mode... definitely try this imo.. basically program a beat like you would, then enable poly for all voices and set mode to unison. BANG BANGITY BANG BANG. otherwise I've found it kinda weak.

also defnitely set up some performance macros to mess up these drum sounds.

this, with a machinedrum at the inputs for samples etc. is a quite interesting setup... decent enough for me, for now.

I still need a compressor for the A4 though.

I haven't actually heard any clean recordings of the drums in action yet, besides that commercial with the flashing lights and dancers. I don't think im using unison or polymode on the drums, but maybe im confused but how can you do 4 voices of different drum sounds in poly mode? Doesn't that just limit you to one 'sound' at a time (albeit 4 of them stacked)? Or are you using parameter locks to switch the sounds per step and doing essentially unison but monophonic (different drum sound) drum layering?

have you heard good things about this unit Phling : http://www.amazon.com/FMR-Audio-Really-Compressor-Stereo/dp/B00HW7BOSG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1390786170&sr=8-1&keywords=compressor+very+nice ?

I have a gift card for amazon and i was thinking of using it on this, seems to be the smallest/nicest compressor for the price but I'm too up on hardware stuff like this

It's by far the best compressor for the money, that's what everybody says at least. I got one last week and all I can say is wow. I always thought compression is for solving problems and/or for fucking up dynamics intentionally. But put the RNC on a channel and it packs the sound in such a cosy and exciting way, it works wonderfully on master too. If it's set to a low ratio, it's almost like it's not there, but when you try bypassing it, you get that rude and rough sound you didn't remember you had originally.

ok sold, thanks for the recommendation

AAAAALL RIGHT- Let's all buy ONE of these babies, then everyone who paid their part can keep it for that amount of time, relative to the full price. Group buy, group usage. p.s. We can also do this with hard to find 95+ year old mountain whores (ancient whores who live in Mt. Kilimanjaro caves and also Mt. Kailash).

  On 1/27/2014 at 2:28 AM, John Ehrlichman said:

I haven't actually heard any clean recordings of the drums in action yet, besides that commercial with the flashing lights and dancers. I don't think im using unison or polymode on the drums, but maybe im confused but how can you do 4 voices of different drum sounds in poly mode? Doesn't that just limit you to one 'sound' at a time (albeit 4 of them stacked)? Or are you using parameter locks to switch the sounds per step and doing essentially unison but monophonic (different drum sound) drum layering?

 

have you heard good things about this unit Phling : http://www.amazon.com/FMR-Audio-Really-Compressor-Stereo/dp/B00HW7BOSG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1390786170&sr=8-1&keywords=compressor+very+nice ?

 

I have a gift card for amazon and i was thinking of using it on this, seems to be the smallest/nicest compressor for the price but I'm too up on hardware stuff like this

thinking this one RNLA from the same company... it's similar, but has more coloring to the sound:

http://www.amazon.com/FMR-RNLA-Really-Leveling-Amplifier/dp/B000E99K3U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1390819743&sr=8-1&keywords=nice+leveling+amp

holy shit you're not using poly-mode or unison on the drums at all? you gotta try that! my strategy for using it is:

- fresh kit, make a beat, obviously also including soundlocks.. main elements on tracks 1 & 2

- mess with the poly settings till it sounds interesting

- winrar

obviously with unison it's much louder than without. mess around with the poly options is all i can tell you really lol, you'll see what i mean.

there will be nice effects when uting/unmuting individual tracks.

alright ill give it a try today, im still not quite fully understanding how i could use all 4 voices and also get them to layer on top of eachother ( like have a hi hat, bass drum snare and clap all firing at the same time) if im doing unison or poly mode but I'll give it a shot.

if you use the "use track sounds" thing it'll do just that!

I find most of the time it's more effective to use normal unison though.

it's a way to make beats which are kinda..... chancey? it can sound kind of like cut-up style, but with an analog synth. it's really cool.

how to explain.... here's a stupid simple example: like if you have a kick on step 1 of track 1, unison will always trigger that kick, and it will mask that step in the other tracks... until you mute track 1. if you have a trig on step 1 in another track, it will then fire that instead... so by muting tracks you can get quite good variations in sound.

now here's another one: record some wonky unquantized stuff.. then use unison mode... see, if there are trigs on the same step in different tracks, but are not exactly on the same spot because of micro-timing, they will cut off each others sound when they're hit........ now go mess with the global and track quantization when doing this >>> profit.

nice, thanks for the tips, so essentially you're only getting 1 drum sound voice at a time but just stacked for more beefy/analog punch. It sounds like a good technique