Malaysian airliner shot down, 295 dead

  On 7/19/2014 at 10:59 AM, jlobkob said:

delet did not claim his theory about israel is right, he just offered it for consideration.

offering something like this for consideration is pretty damn idiotic.

  On 7/19/2014 at 6:25 AM, delet... said:

 

  On 7/19/2014 at 5:15 AM, eugene said:

 

  On 7/19/2014 at 2:48 AM, delet... said:

 

  On 7/18/2014 at 4:50 PM, eugene said:

 

  On 7/18/2014 at 11:05 AM, delet... said:

The other possibility is that israel did this through surrogates, to distract the western media from their ground offensive, which will not be very pleasant for the gazans and so probably spark further protests in even greater numbers in more places in the west. This is only a slight possibility and i prefer my first hypothesis, because israel seems not to give a fuck what anyone thinks as it's leaders live in a bubble surrounded by their own hard worn propaganda. The inappropriate stuff they regularly come out with or try to justify is breathtaking.

i spend a lot of time on soc networks cos i'm interested in the flow of information and how its processed online (basically my thesis topic) but you really take the cake of the most fucked up delusional idiot i've ever met online

 

The fact that you say this, either presents to everybody how delusional you in fact are if you can't see the reason behind anything i have said. Or yet again shows your agenda of shooting down a messenger that you can't debate against with reality so you choose the tactic of smearing that messenger. This is the tactic you've taken with me for years because you know you can't touch this because i'm always spot on. And appealingly so. It must be infuriating.

 

yes, everybody but me saw divine reason in your yet another idiotic and delusional claim...do you actually believe this yourself?

each time there was some semblance of debate with you, you disappeared after an exchange of a few posts, so this makes you both a lunatic and a liar.

 

 

i wasn't talking about 'debate', as 'debating' with eugene is a fool's errand. Because you are wall to wall tactics like your second sentence there. Misdirection, misleading, miss the point. Which is exactly what you want, you want a long drawn out exercise where you keep inserting the propaganda points whilst putting down the other side with insults and false information. It's a battle for minds, and this is your tactic. I have found however that it's better just to say your piece, if people see sense in it they will agree, perhaps though they don't straight away, it can take a few months to bring them around into alignment with what you would call my conformation bias (because you disagree with me) and what i would call an understanding through confirmed reality, by paying attention to things in the news and on the web that you might not have before, that i was right. It's the long game i'm playing eugene, and i'm winning.

 

besides the people who already watch RT religiously and gobble up any conspiracy theory, i assure you, you've convinced 0 people over the years. in addition to being an idiot and a liar (when the hell did i ever use false information for example?) it's clear that you have issues of self awareness as well.

anyway i don't want to dwell on this anymore, if anyone's interested about what's going on in israel/gaza make a new thread.

imo the plane was prob just washed with water containing high volume of fluoride and it just blew up.

imo

heeh.

Thanks for keeping it real joshuatx, your posts are beacons of facts in this morass of ridiculousness

  On 7/19/2014 at 2:55 AM, delet... said:

More grainy unattributed photos rolling in from the Ukrainian side. I'll give you one example, you remember those 'russian special forces that fought in chechnya' photos that the western media reported on to say that russian forces were helping the self defence forces of the break away eastern ukranian provinces. The photos were not of the same people, it was all FUD. FUD designed to convince a western audience of russia's guilt. So look at your 'russian missiles in the ukraine' pictures in the same light. There has been an avalanche of these types of non-truths, it is part of the war effort, the lies, obfuscation and denials. It's a tactic that has been used even back in the first world war. Get the headlines, gee the people up. If it gets found out, the media cycle has moved on (code for most are on board with the whole thing).

 

So the Strelkov tweets were fake too?

i think that the plane was shot down

Edited (: no harm

KEEP THE FUCKING GAZA VS ISRAEL TALK IN THE APPROPRIATE THREAD, THIS IS ABOUT A DOWNED CIVILIAN AIRCRAFT IN THE UKRAINE

Ha sorry to derail there, but damn with those all caps.. Im not the original derailer lol... It was in response to the already half-derailed topic. Ok back to the original topic. My apologies all.

Poor Malaysian Airlines, they just keep getting shat on

  On 7/19/2014 at 10:44 PM, ThatSpanishGuy said:

Poor Malaysian Airlines, they just keep getting shat on

  On 7/20/2014 at 7:28 AM, Mesh Gear Fox said:

 

  On 7/19/2014 at 7:20 PM, A/D said:

Thanks for keeping it real joshuatx, your posts are beacons of facts in this morass of ridiculousness

+1

 

also how is it that eugene can ruthlessly berate a mod and others with personal attacks without any warning but others have felt the wrath of the warnhammer for far more modest jibes?

 

(if geney has been warned or whatever I stand corrected)

 

maybe it's got something to do with something you put in one of your aphex twin album cover attempts.

or maybe not. ;-p

Eugene shot the plane down, obviously

  On 7/19/2014 at 6:25 AM, delet... said:

 

  On 7/19/2014 at 5:15 AM, eugene said:

 

  On 7/19/2014 at 2:48 AM, delet... said:

 

  On 7/18/2014 at 4:50 PM, eugene said:

 

  On 7/18/2014 at 11:05 AM, delet... said:

The other possibility is that israel did this through surrogates, to distract the western media from their ground offensive, which will not be very pleasant for the gazans and so probably spark further protests in even greater numbers in more places in the west. This is only a slight possibility and i prefer my first hypothesis, because israel seems not to give a fuck what anyone thinks as it's leaders live in a bubble surrounded by their own hard worn propaganda. The inappropriate stuff they regularly come out with or try to justify is breathtaking.

i spend a lot of time on soc networks cos i'm interested in the flow of information and how its processed online (basically my thesis topic) but you really take the cake of the most fucked up delusional idiot i've ever met online

The fact that you say this, either presents to everybody how delusional you in fact are if you can't see the reason behind anything i have said. Or yet again shows your agenda of shooting down a messenger that you can't debate against with reality so you choose the tactic of smearing that messenger. This is the tactic you've taken with me for years because you know you can't touch this because i'm always spot on. And appealingly so. It must be infuriating.

yes, everybody but me saw divine reason in your yet another idiotic and delusional claim...do you actually believe this yourself?

each time there was some semblance of debate with you, you disappeared after an exchange of a few posts, so this makes you both a lunatic and a liar.

i wasn't talking about 'debate', as 'debating' with eugene is a fool's errand. Because you are wall to wall tactics like your second sentence there. Misdirection, misleading, miss the point. Which is exactly what you want, you want a long drawn out exercise where you keep inserting the propaganda points whilst putting down the other side with insults and false information. It's a battle for minds, and this is your tactic. I have found however that it's better just to say your piece, if people see sense in it they will agree, perhaps though they don't straight away, it can take a few months to bring them around into alignment with what you would call my conformation bias (because you disagree with me) and what i would call an understanding through confirmed reality, by paying attention to things in the news and on the web that you might not have before, that i was right. It's the long game i'm playing eugene, and i'm winning.

  On 7/20/2014 at 4:44 PM, delet... said:

What's that graph supposed to prove? That ukranian forces thought they were taking down putin? Regardless of whoever shot it down, it's unlikely they were eyeballing the plane in the first place.

Black box has been recovered by correct people now, though I don't think there's going to be anything of worth there unless people are still doubting it was blown out of the sky.

im never getting in an airplane eve again. its not natural.

Ruskies say ukranian military fighter jet of the type SU-25 was seen around MH17 at time of impact and have released radar info supporting the claim.

the weird thing is that they say it was level with MH17.. how is that physically possible, su-25's don't reach 33,000 ft, especially not one loaded with missiles?

I guess this bullshit is intended for domestic consumption.
Someone tried to edit russian Wikipedia article about SU-25:

I think most of us can agree on one thing, that we are witnessing a propaganda/information war unlike anything we've seen before.

  On 7/21/2014 at 6:03 PM, telefunken said:

I guess this bullshit is intended for domestic consumption.

Someone tried to edit russian Wikipedia article about SU-25:

So why it translated to english then? BTW fly height from the ukrainian mil gov http://www.mil.gov.ua/ministry/ozbroennya-ta-texnika/povitryani-sili.html

7-10 km + air2air missle must be enough. Anonymous wiki edit sounds more like bullshit from euromaidan news lol. On wiki SU-25 air2air missle range differs - in ru version 10-12 km and in en its 4 km by unproven source.

I think most of us can agree on one thing, that planes need our help.