Fat Shaming?

But they're not two comparable demographics in any way, lol

  On 5/23/2015 at 6:49 PM, Npoess said:

But they're not two comparable demographics in any way, lol

they are two demographics in unfortunate situations

that was my only point

  On 5/23/2015 at 3:11 PM, hello spiral said:

 

  On 5/23/2015 at 1:50 PM, Rubin Farr said:

If Marilyn Monroe were alive today, she would be fat shamed for being a healthy woman

 

Really? nah.

Monroe was well proportioned and tiny. It's hilarious that she's used as some kind of patron saint of unhealthily overweight women.

 

Yeah the 'big ass' Kardashian role model is great. Better save up for those implants ladies.

 

Just gonna leave this Tina Fey quote here:

 

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“But I think the first real change in women’s body image came when JLo turned it butt-style. That was the first time that having a large-scale situation in the back was part of mainstream American beauty. Girls wanted butts now. Men were free to admit that they had always enjoyed them. And then, what felt like moments later, boom—Beyoncé brought the leg meat. A back porch and thick muscular legs were now widely admired. And from that day forward, women embraced their diversity and realized that all shapes and sizes are beautiful. Ah ha ha. No. I’m totally messing with you. All Beyonce and JLo have done is add to the laundry list of attributes women must have to qualify as beautiful. Now every girl is expected to have Caucasian blue eyes, full Spanish lips, a classic button nose, hairless Asian skin with a California tan, a Jamaican dance hall ass, long Swedish legs, small Japanese feet, the abs of a lesbian gym owner, the hips of a nine-year-old boy, the arms of Michelle Obama, and doll tits. The person closest to actually achieving this look is Kim Kardashian, who, as we know, was made by Russian scientists to sabotage our athletes.”

 

This quote is amazing. I love Tina Fey.

Pretty much second everything else Rubin said.

Something else a lot of people miss is that human bodies and body types are different. We could hypothetically eliminate obesity and that'd still be a fact. If I were to explain to say a kid, I would point to the Olympics and most professional sports (I would exclude American Football for a number of reason) and how different those people look. Yes many are slender and toned but there's no shame in say, huge shoulders, thighs, arms, etc. all things that would be considered "thick" on attractive women. There's no way a weightlifter or someone else who utilizes brute strength could do gymnastics or diving. On a broader note, people of different socia-economic backgrounds have varied body sizes and types, especially in height. When I lived in Okinawa Japan as a kid I was already taller than most local adults there, and I was 12.

People can be extremely unhealthy in their diet and lifestyle and look completely "normal and average" by present day American media standards. I'm not just talking drug addicts, I mean literally there are people with abnormal metabolism and won't gain a pound regardless of what they eat. They can't run or lift for shit but people don't nor cannot judge on that at first glance. Likewise there are those who are tall and large built or have pear shaped bodies or short legs or wide shoulders, etc. who could be on strict diets and involved exercise routines and will never look the "idea" image or fit and healthy as perpetuated by many. Add to all of this the fact that in the US and UK obesity is a serious problem and now even reasonable arguments and points like these are co-opted by delusional or at the very least misguided fat acceptance people doesn't help. That said, I do think obese people are discriminated against subconsciously by many, but again, that's going to be impossible to tackle with so many other social issues in this country and worldwide.

The thread is about 'fat shaming', not obesity.

'fat shaming' is a tumblr warrior phrase.

Depending what side of the fence you're on, it's a phrase invented by an overweight and entitled vocal minority on tumblr or a real thing perpetuated by thin people to make overweight people feel bad about themselves. Or a combination of the two.

Carry on.

Edit: Wrote this before Josh made those excellent points.

This is what happens when your contry goes on for long enough without experiencing a real war

  On 5/23/2015 at 6:51 PM, joshuatx said:

 

 

People can be extremely unhealthy in their diet and lifestyle and look completely "normal and average" by present day American media standards.

like me, for instance

  On 5/23/2015 at 6:51 PM, joshuatx said:

 

 

I'm not just talking drug addicts

oop nevermind

  On 5/23/2015 at 6:55 PM, LimpyLoo said:

 

  On 5/23/2015 at 6:51 PM, joshuatx said:

People can be extremely unhealthy in their diet and lifestyle and look completely "normal and average" by present day American media standards.

like me, for instance

 

  On 5/23/2015 at 6:51 PM, joshuatx said:

I'm not just talking drug addicts

oop nevermind

 

haha narcotic

  On 5/23/2015 at 6:51 PM, hello spiral said:

The thread is about 'fat shaming', not obesity.

 

'fat shaming' is a tumblr warrior phrase.

 

Depending what side of the fence you're on, it's a phrase invented by an overweight and entitled vocal minority on tumblr or a real thing perpetuated by thin people to make overweight people feel bad about themselves. Or a combination of the two.

 

Carry on.

 

Edit: Wrote this before Josh made those excellent points.

Last time I checked 'fat shaming' and obesity were very closely related.

  On 5/23/2015 at 6:12 PM, goDel said:

I'm also concerned about a thing said at the WHO site: that children need at least one hour of moderate-to-vigorous physical activity every day. And all I'm seeing is parents crying about their kids needing medication because they think they have ADHD.

 

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I've always garnered the idea that one cannot improve the health of ones body entirely before you take care of ones mental health.

 

Mind and body are strongly connected. I don't believe you can 'cure' one without taking care of the other. And nobody is saying that, obvs.

 

IMO, it would be easier to start with the body than with the mind. The mind can be a deceptive thing. Physical exercise is as explicit as can be.

This 100x.

Gut flora one of the biggest influences of mood that there is. Kinda hard to work on being of sound mind when you're constantly suffering from sugar spikes/crashes from stuffing your cavernous maw with snickers bars.

*makes a thread entitled 'slut shaming'*

*spends two pages talking about the frequency of female sexual activity, including graphs and statistics*

  On 5/23/2015 at 7:09 PM, hello spiral said:

*makes a thread entitled 'slut shaming'*

 

*spends two pages talking about the frequency of female sexual activity, including graphs and statistics*

that's a lol

*zing*

  On 5/23/2015 at 6:51 PM, joshuatx said:

I'm not just talking drug addicts, I mean literally there are people with abnormal metabolism and won't gain a pound regardless of what they eat.

Nonsense, these are just people who naturally don't overeat. They can eat all they want because they simply don't want as much as some others. But force them to eat 5000 kcal a day with no exercise for a couple of months and see what happens.

I think I know a little more about the subject now and you've all made great points.

I do agree that people should feel comfortable in their own skin, that's just basic happiness. Where that changes for me is the inability to recognize that overeating and being overweight is a downward spiral. Not to say everyone has the mental outlook and means to change and upon making those changes, feels better. But c'mon now.

There is nothing wrong with being a little overweight, some of us have lower metabolism, I know the feels. But I have had to adjust my life accordingly as apposed to my room-mate who is 6'7" and skinny with muscle definition, even though he eats pizza, drinks a 6 pack every night or so and exercises maybe once a month. But, this in a way gives me a sense of pride. I may have to work harder to stay fit(ish) and feel good about myself, but it's that effort that I am doing something about it that makes the biggest change in mentality, and therefore works its way from my braincase to my body.

I'm sorry to say that after reading about this more, unless you have really extenuating circumstances or a glandular disorder, I have no sympathy for a person who's grossly overweight and proud of it. I do have sympathy for the person who takes control of their life and even implements small changes leading to better mental and physical health.

How proud can one be of their weight and shape if they spend time bitching at people who say 'well, maybe thats not a healthy size' and yet all they can show for evidence it is okay for them is that they have success in some professional or persona end of their life, sex, or have somehow convinced themselves that treating their body like trash is something to be proud of. I get that everyone needs a little pride to keep the inner lion strutting, but if this is a mental disease, it should be handled as such. Not too many people with horrendous drug habits, bi-polar, schizo or manic tendencies can get on the internet without looking like a complete loon and holler about how people 'crazy-shame' them and even though they do harm to their body, it's THEIR BODY. Absolutely not, that persons family and friends would be very concerned, but for some reason now, if you're really overweight and your parents or friends approach you about it, they're "fat shaming" now?

Side note: One of my girlfriends 'friends' or better explained - this chick she studied with in pre-med - gained almost 125lbs in her time at college, which had been around 3 or 4 years. She had tons of self-esteem issues, always bitched about her lack of sex.. but my god... I can eat, but she would put me to shame in an instant. It wasn't uncommon for her to order a double cheeseburger with no veggies and extra bacon, then go back and order friend chicken strips and fries in about 30 minutes. They tried as a group after her father spoke with them about his concern for her weight and how he tried to bring it up but it went very poorly and to try to kind of encourage her to come with them to the gym or on a hike. Since then, she doesn't hang out with any of them anymore because they made her 'feel bad' about her lack of boyfriend and that the other girls were exercising, eating healthier, and losing weight. It's really frustrating for them as friends to watch their friend kill herself and it's because the only person who can make someone like that change is themselves. It's just plain sad, and as heartless as this sounds, things like 'anti-fat-shaming' are doing nothing to help people who really should make a change.

*makes a cat shaming thread*

*makes a hat shaming thread*

*ponders the absurdity of human existence*

  On 5/23/2015 at 8:00 PM, Audioblysk said:

I think I know a little more about the subject now and you've all made great points.

 

I do agree that people should feel comfortable in their own skin, that's just basic happiness. Where that changes for me is the inability to recognize that overeating and being overweight is a downward spiral. Not to say everyone has the mental outlook and means to change and upon making those changes, feels better. But c'mon now.

 

There is nothing wrong with being a little overweight, some of us have lower metabolism, I know the feels. But I have had to adjust my life accordingly as apposed to my room-mate who is 6'7" and skinny with muscle definition, even though he eats pizza, drinks a 6 pack every night or so and exercises maybe once a month. But, this in a way gives me a sense of pride. I may have to work harder to stay fit(ish) and feel good about myself, but it's that effort that I am doing something about it that makes the biggest change in mentality, and therefore works its way from my braincase to my body.

 

I'm sorry to say that after reading about this more, unless you have really extenuating circumstances or a glandular disorder, I have no sympathy for a person who's grossly overweight and proud of it. I do have sympathy for the person who takes control of their life and even implements small changes leading to better mental and physical health.

 

How proud can one be of their weight and shape if they spend time bitching at people who say 'well, maybe thats not a healthy size' and yet all they can show for evidence it is okay for them is that they have success in some professional or persona end of their life, sex, or have somehow convinced themselves that treating their body like trash is something to be proud of. I get that everyone needs a little pride to keep the inner lion strutting, but if this is a mental disease, it should be handled as such. Not too many people with horrendous drug habits, bi-polar, schizo or manic tendencies can get on the internet without looking like a complete loon and holler about how people 'crazy-shame' them and even though they do harm to their body, it's THEIR BODY. Absolutely not, that persons family and friends would be very concerned, but for some reason now, if you're really overweight and your parents or friends approach you about it, they're "fat shaming" now?

 

Side note: One of my girlfriends 'friends' or better explained - this chick she studied with in pre-med - gained almost 125lbs in her time at college, which had been around 3 or 4 years. She had tons of self-esteem issues, always bitched about her lack of sex.. but my god... I can eat, but she would put me to shame in an instant. It wasn't uncommon for her to order a double cheeseburger with no veggies and extra bacon, then go back and order friend chicken strips and fries in about 30 minutes. They tried as a group after her father spoke with them about his concern for her weight and how he tried to bring it up but it went very poorly and to try to kind of encourage her to come with them to the gym or on a hike. Since then, she doesn't hang out with any of them anymore because they made her 'feel bad' about her lack of boyfriend and that the other girls were exercising, eating healthier, and losing weight. It's really frustrating for them as friends to watch their friend kill herself and it's because the only person who can make someone like that change is themselves. It's just plain sad, and as heartless as this sounds, things like 'anti-fat-shaming' are doing nothing to help people who really should make a change.

fat-shaming and encouraging healthy lifestyle choices are not the same thing

fat-shaming is distinctly mean-spirited...."U R FAT LOL"

but I do agree that people shouldn't have to tip-toe around things like this

if I was severely overweight

--even if I had no intention of changing--

I would hope my friends could say something without me berating them for 'fat-shaming'

Agreed limperz. I guess I'm just not that mean, the thought of maliciously calling someone out for their weight is just not within my personality. I think the one thing that I would add is that with the emergence of 'fat-shaming' there is a following of self-destructive people who use it as a point of pride or an excuse and a reason to cast friendly advice or good-intended help as 'fat-shaming' so the lines are blurring on that and what is and isn't appropriate to say and do around someone you have genuine concern in your heart for their well-being.

the thing that bothers me a lot is that I feel like American men, especially younger ones have a very warped view of what is 'fat'. If a woman doesn't resemble what we see on tv and has any excess fat whatsoever (if its anywhere besides her ass) a lot of assholey broy dudes are very qucik to call that lady 'fat' and it's extremely fucking dumb and sad. I wish more slightly 'over weight' girls would feel comfortable expressing being sexy, because im frankly tired of seeing skeletons thinking they look sexy, its weird to me.

  On 5/23/2015 at 8:00 PM, Audioblysk said:

'crazy-shame'

I'd say we're about 8 months away from there being pieces about how shows like Law & Order are "problematic" for their crazy-shaming.

the answer is biscuits & gravy

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you should state your height, weight and body fat % before giving your opinion on this issue

(sorry)

Fat "shaming" is a tricky word. It's one thing to show compassion by voicing concern for one's health when their obesity puts them at risk. But petty teasing and bullying is for ignoramuses.

Also, that Tina Fey quote about women inclined to obsessively compare their appearances to celebs like Lopez or Kardashian...that's an unrealistic goal. Chances are they don't care about you anyway, let alone know you. Besides, I'm sure most of those models on the front of those stupid fashion mags are 'Shopped.

Best to use encouragement and positive reinforcement, but passively at the same time.

Is small skinny men shaming a thing? I'm a very small skinny man and I don't feel I get enough shame for it.