Best RBMA Lectures/Studio Sciences

I had a sip of red bull when it was pretty new in the UK (when was that? mid 2000s? can't remember). I thought it tasted and smelled like really fruity diarrhoea (sp?).

Haven't drunk a sip of it or any other energy drink ever since.

Have however listened to quite a lot of Electronic Music though.

MIND CONTROL

  On 9/11/2015 at 11:14 PM, John Ehrlichman said:

still waiting for someone at an RBMA lecture to mention the fact of how fucking ridiculous it is, odd that no one has yet. Notice how AE/aphex hasn't done one of these yet?

I sort of assume they've been asked and declined. Giving an RBMA lecture doesn't seem like either of their styles.

  On 9/12/2015 at 2:33 PM, perunamuussi said:

I had a sip of red bull when it was pretty new in the UK (when was that? mid 2000s? can't remember). I thought it tasted and smelled like really fruity diarrhoea (sp?).

Haven't drunk a sip of it or any other energy drink ever since.

Have however listened to quite a lot of Electronic Music though.

MIND CONTROL

Yeah I always thought it tasted like liquified incense sticks or something.

yeah energy drinks taste like ass but i used to drink loads of them in my late teens early 20s. now it's just shit tons of coffee. though in a pinch it is easier to pound a cold redbull than a hot cup of joe. also, mixes better w/alcohol

  On 9/12/2015 at 2:38 PM, Rotwang said:

 

  On 9/11/2015 at 11:14 PM, John Ehrlichman said:

still waiting for someone at an RBMA lecture to mention the fact of how fucking ridiculous it is, odd that no one has yet. Notice how AE/aphex hasn't done one of these yet?

I sort of assume they've been asked and declined. Giving an RBMA lecture doesn't seem like either of their styles.

 

Actually, I asked AE about it in the AAA. Sean's reply (nothing about the big corporations or Red Bull being evil):

prob not

those things always seem weird

esp when the artist plays a track and everyone sits there nodding earnestly, it's like those acting masterclass videos but worse cos of the weird tension

Re: Mesh - it was reactionary but I did want to start a thread about it a while ago to get a nice summarization of the best lectures. I was mostly triggered now because of John taking my post in the OPN thread completely out of context and adding 'dude' (or 'bro') to it and posted it to facebook to make people who like (or in his words, 'defend') RBMA content look stupid. That's just a bit childish and ad hominem debating technique, especially considering how I still haven't seen any solid argument or actual proof as to why Red Bull is evil (something Ed DMX also asked about multiple times but hasn't got an answer yet, last time I looked) and that I only jokingly posted that Cosey Fanni Tutti lecture in reaction to his post saying "for someone who is a fan of industrial music/throbbing gristle you should automatically understand why this type of corporate bullshit is bad", which Cosey proved to be untrue.

John making a 100% identical counter argument in here yesterday just adds to the silliness of it all.

  On 9/12/2015 at 3:08 AM, ThatSpanishGuy said:

Yeah, corporations suck, they just wanna take your money, blah blah blah. But what I am looking at in this thread is at a fuckton of really interesting free content that probably wouldn't have happened if it weren't for red bull. Of course, now people are associating an energy drink brand to all this content. But is it really harmful? Have any of you actually drank more red bull cause of these interviews? Has it permeated the culture, have these artists 'sold out'? The good outweights what little bad RBMA causes, imo

This. I can't stand the drink.

  On 9/11/2015 at 11:14 PM, John Ehrlichman said:

2015 is weird as shit, who could have predicted 20 years ago that Red Bull would be one of the most serious and well loved institutions by watmm readers.

 

still waiting for someone at an RBMA lecture to mention the fact of how fucking ridiculous it is, odd that no one has yet. Notice how AE/aphex hasn't done one of these yet?

It's weird that Red Bull sponsors these things, because I really don't think fans of artists like Keiji Haino and fans of energy drinks overlap anywhere. But I'm not complaining because there are some really interesting and lengthy, in-depth interviews with musicians who normally don't do this sort of thing. It makes for very insightful content. As for Red Bull's secret motives behind all of it, I don't think it's going to work. I, for one, have never tasted an energy drink in my life and never plan on doing so anytime in the future. I don't even drink anything with caffeine in it. Anything that promises magical amounts of energy that will allow you to accomplish everything you've ever wanted to do in life is not something that will attract me, and I'm surprised that energy drinks are still a thing at all, because I don't know anyone who actually drinks them and can't imagine the kind of people who do.

If I were in any of these artists' position, though, I would just do these sorts of talks on my own rather than supporting some music workshop. It doesn't make sense to me that so many of these musicians have to have a company request a lecture from them for them to actually do it. I assume Aphex and Autechre haven't done any of these workshops because neither of them enjoy talking about their music or how it's made.

Actually Aphex has never been asked to do one because everybody already knows how generic acid is made.

  On 9/12/2015 at 6:06 PM, autopilot said:

Actually Aphex has never been asked to do one because everybody already knows how generic acid is made.

I enjoyed this one (Martyn):

https://player.vimeo.com/video/30855217

Talks a bit about how he got into the jungle scene and everything.

I mostly left disappointed after these lectures, it feels superficial in all aspects, the only cool moment i recall is that Moodymann sudden laidback rant "what you do with you have" which Blawan then sampled:

Keiji Haino start of lecture i saw in this thread is nice as well.

I was enjoying Headphone Highlights on RBMA radio far more:

http://www.rbmaradio.com/categories/interviews-features/formats/headphone-highlights

Not many interesting producers represented, but i really liked the format, the commentaries, it's kind of bare bones of a lecture. I particularly liked to hear from Mark Fell, Mr. Oizo, Xiu Xiu, it gives real insight.

For this type of shit i gonna shut my eyes on Red Bull hosting. I do believe they sponsor it a bit blindly and marginally, coz they're going with it in all directions, particularly into sports teams.

  On 9/12/2015 at 3:33 PM, Herr Jan said:

 

  On 9/12/2015 at 2:38 PM, Rotwang said:

I sort of assume they've been asked and declined. Giving an RBMA lecture doesn't seem like either of their styles.

 

Actually, I asked AE about it in the AAA. Sean's reply (nothing about the big corporations or Red Bull being evil):

Right, in AE's case I figured they wouldn't do it because they've repeatedly expressed disdain for the whole academic, chin-stroking side of electronic music fandom, rather than any corporations-being-all-corporationy attitude.

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prob not

those things always seem weird

esp when the artist plays a track and everyone sits there nodding earnestly, it's like those acting masterclass videos but worse cos of the weird tension

Nice, thanks.

i dont consider Aphex or his opinions as encompassing or validating the entirety of music, so why should his (lack of) RBMA lectures have any bearing on their relevance?

teaching music i think they a triffic resource (at times), so musch to learn from, yes its a corporate sponsor but most bars folks go to are run by sponsors so whats the difference

*pls remember i am full of strong pain meds so obvious points mighta been missed here, not that i wanna come across as A) a cock or B) argumentative

I've seen a couple of them, not really that interesting to me. Pretty snoozeworthy (imo).

I did think the Steve Beckett one was pretty cool though, mainly because he mentions he goes up to scotland a few times a year to visit BOC and tells them of the offers of vast amounts of money for them to play live, which they just refuse. Pesky BOC lol.

^^great vid but not on topic. had to report u. sorry ;)

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also, have you heard about RB's new promo initiative? imagine the redbull mini cooper concept, 23 yo girls handing it out free, wearing RB gear, but instead of a mini cooper, it's a drone, and instead of 23 yo girls, 3d projection technology AI daemons. they are still working out the kinks, but should be off the ground soon. imagine RB dropsondes drifting slowly down, pulsing out some holly herndon from attached loudspeakers, and the drone sailing on, refugees getting a does of b12 + authentic music culture...

  On 9/6/2015 at 10:42 PM, Gocab said:

Banksy pls

funny that a few detracting comments created an actual discussion, i'm proud of watmm for once (even though almost everybody here still sees absolutely nothing intrinsically wrong with it since well 'they do good!')

and Herr, It didn't even cross my mind that you had said that about RBMA, and no I wasn't quoting you in my facebook post. Surprisingly you are not the only one to say almost that exact phrase, i've heard it regularly for the past year from multiple people.

since there seem to be very few detracting voices out there who have a problem with the 'institution' I'm going to do a podcast about this, if anybody wants to voice their criticisms let me know and ill try to include you in the discussion. Less interested in having defenders talk about it (but would admittedly be amusing to have an adamant defender willingly fall onto their own sword) if you are one of those and have some serious corporate apologist balls, contact me too

Ron Trent & Chez Damier's talks are wicked

firstly that RT was such a sprog making such developed music in the mid-80's and the way his family imparted their love of certain artists and the same for CD..... the bloke just personifies pleasure from good music and is so humble for someone with such an outstanding catalog of house releases.

and yeah theres some house, but a lot of other bits that are an education in themselves

in fact the 1 consistent theme among a lot of interviewees is/was how ingrained music /iswas at respective home environs and how it pushed these folks into production

if u cant get inspired by some of these human journeys you're fucked anyway!

  On 9/12/2015 at 3:33 PM, Herr Jan said:

I still haven't seen any solid argument or actual proof as to why Red Bull is evil

this is a cartoonish straw man premise, but I think what you've said here is an interesting illustration of the knee jerkery that encompasses discussions around this. I admit, I've hated what they stood for from day 1, I never gave it a chance no matter what 'good' content they produced (even after they promoted Sote's last record, I still thought to myself 'fuck these guys up the ass forever') and honestly I will never for as long as I live back down from this belief. It's my mission now to at least test the waters for honest criticism of RBMA simply because there is so fucking little of it (or if there is its surface level horseshit polarized debates of corporate VS non corporate or sponsorship vs non sponsorship, which do a disservice to the actual heart of the issue)

A corporate footprint doesn't have to be 'evil' to be harmful for a thriving organic creative electronic music scene, but i think it's beyond denying that the influence they've had has been enormous and they will continue to grow and gain more power in the scene.

Is this a good thing?

When they gain even more power/influence will we be able to sit back and be happy with the eventual result of that?

Even if they don't sell a ton of energy drinks in the short term from this marketing strategy, are we ok to the degree in which they are 'coloring' the landscape of electronic music?

Hopefully some people here will have a difficult time answering 'yes' these.

  On 9/18/2015 at 1:51 AM, John Ehrlichman said:

funny that a few detracting comments created an actual discussion, i'm proud of watmm for once (even though almost everybody here still sees absolutely nothing intrinsically wrong with it since well 'they do good!')

Wrong, no, but strange and stupid, kind of.

  On 9/18/2015 at 1:58 AM, John Ehrlichman said:

 

  On 9/12/2015 at 3:33 PM, Herr Jan said:

I still haven't seen any solid argument or actual proof as to why Red Bull is evil

this is a cartoonish straw man premise, but I think what you've said here is an interesting illustration of the knee jerkery that encompasses discussions around this. I admit, I've hated what they stood for from day 1, I never gave it a chance no matter what 'good' content they produced (even after they promoted Sote's last record, I still thought to myself 'fuck these guys up the ass forever') and honestly I will never for as long as I live back down from this belief. It's my mission now to at least test the waters for honest criticism of RBMA simply because there is so fucking little of it (or if there is its surface level horseshit polarized debates of corporate VS non corporate or sponsorship vs non sponsorship, which do a disservice to the actual heart of the issue)

 

A corporate footprint doesn't have to be 'evil' to be harmful for a thriving organic creative electronic music scene, but i think it's beyond denying that the influence they've had has been enormous and they will continue to grow and gain more power in the scene.

Is this a good thing?

When they gain even more power/influence will we be able to sit back and be happy with the eventual result of that?

Even if they don't sell a ton of energy drinks in the short term from this marketing strategy, are we ok to the degree in which they are 'coloring' the landscape of electronic music?

Hopefully some people here will have a difficult time answering 'yes' these.

 

its corporate wank infiltrating "art" ,,,,actually replace infiltrating with fisting ..... and nothing can excuse the fallibility here

but as a lover of house music some of the interviews have been 1st class

yes its hideous the way the financial side works, but its also documenting musical social history with the odd nugget......even if 96% of it is utter shite and as someone who has a research interest in early house i think some of the interviews (Francois K especially) are priceless..... yeah the hipster head nodding to records (if yer luckeh enough to hear them) is cringe inducing but i dont think you can get a platform that isnt $-synthetic here beyond university depts and trust me they aint a fuckin penny in them right now either.... the irony

Why is it so important that I hate RBMA? Get a job.

  On 9/18/2015 at 3:47 PM, Candiru said:

Why is it so important that I hate RBMA? Get a job.

exactly

http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/lectures/sebastian-niessen-ghost-in-the-machine

y'all watch u-tub, right

Ron Trent talking house like few can, his record selections are superb too

https://vimeo.com/30563212