Go Corbyn

  On 9/13/2015 at 9:25 PM, fletcher said:

 

  On 9/13/2015 at 9:11 PM, eugene said:

 

  On 9/13/2015 at 6:09 PM, fletcher said:

*writes something*

 

*deletes it knowing the demographic of this forum*

you fucking fascist

 

 

I do know he will be 71 years old when the next election comes around, so not sure what part of the youth vote he will be able to secure but that's pretty old for someone who wants to change lots of things in labour. Does he have many close knit supporters who can follow in his footsteps?

 

This doesnt make sense either, he can still change things, his age is irrelevant, a good leader is a good leader at 35 or 75, ideas are ageless. This kind of thinking is illogical and extremely materialistic.

corbyn

- wants to stay in europe

- is fully for mass immigration 'immigration has been going on for centuries' .. this statement is disingenuous and he knows it, what is happening now is an invasion level event not a few groups of people here and there that are a tiny proportion of the overall population. When the anglo saxons came to england they didn't call it immigration.

- he panders to the third wave feminist inequality of the sexes agenda (is a femnazi)

And this is just the beginning of what is being revealed about him. He's a globalist basically. Whether they come from the left or the right the end goal is the same, to destroy the nation state and leave us under an internationally run neofuedalist system. I call trojan horse used to fuck over the left yet again. His views on europe and immigration will ruin his financial ability to fully implement the much vaunted social welfare policies, and what he does manage to get through will probably be funded by massive debt to the international bankers rather than by the issuance of debt free money, so future greece scenario for the UK, scotland get out now. I wonder if he'll even be able to nationalise anything. Probably only the stuff that isn't making any money so it can be rebuilt after the current years of neglect then sold off again for a song to private interests a deacde or two in the future. heh.

If you're not cynical about these people they put before us to elect by now, there really is no hope for you. So please consider other options before you vote for this wolf in sheep's clothing

So I've just been reading up on Corbyn.

He went to a posh grammar school then dropped out of a polytechnic in London. He then spent his life working for unions and as a councillor.

I heard a radio phone in where a guy was slating his Socialist views... Corbyn has apparently never done a days hard work in his life so how can he expect to win over the labour heartland?

Wanting to scrap Trident won't win him many votes either. There will be lots of engineering firms down the supply chain who rely on the defence sector, plus the thousands of Scots who will lose Jobs directly.

And open door immigration? I for one find that as as daunting (scary?) as the UKIP closed door policy.

Actually kudos to the man, he claimed the least amount of expenses out of all 650 MPs.

just remember the bigger picture. They know that they're losing control over UK politics and so this guy is one of their plays. i'd be happy to be wrong and maybe he's not trying to rock the (real) establishment too much by his views on europe etc. But given the past history of these 'game changer' candidates that they put up for us to marvel over (obama anyone), you really do need to keep an historical perspective and remember the bigger picture, which is that he's most likely scum and further that the labour party do not deserve any more votes ever at this point. So even if you like corbyn and he's the leader, you in your area might be voting for a new labour blairite candidate.

That's not what's happening here

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-claims-jeremy-corbyn-is-a-threat-to-national-security-10498651.html

lol, the politcal climate seems even worse in Britain than here, which I didn't think was possible. What an ridiculous statement on every level.

Many well-functioning countries in the world, like the Scandinavian countries, have been based on centre-left/social democratic principles and economic thinking. So of course it's not a threat with a more left approach from Labour again.

But he can't distinguish that from communism, the narrow-minded and manipulative little man that he is.

I mean nothing wrong with criticizing your opposition, that's what they're supposed to do, but just have a little class.

Quantitive easing

Quantitive shmeasing

i usually expect clarity with your posts but this is borderline Chunky mate

he was 1 of the v few at the height of The Troubles to initiate dialog, which cunts like B.Liar took the props for

all politicians are inherently cunts because they think they have the ability to manage/change the world, but yer blowing out your arse ere

  On 9/13/2015 at 9:31 PM, delet... said:

corbyn

 

- wants to stay in europe

- is fully for mass immigration 'immigration has been going on for centuries' .. this statement is disingenuous and he knows it, what is happening now is an invasion level event not a few groups of people here and there that are a tiny proportion of the overall population. When the anglo saxons came to england they didn't call it immigration.

- he panders to the third wave feminist inequality of the sexes agenda (is a femnazi)

 

And this is just the beginning of what is being revealed about him. He's a globalist basically. Whether they come from the left or the right the end goal is the same, to destroy the nation state and leave us under an internationally run neofuedalist system. I call trojan horse used to fuck over the left yet again. His views on europe and immigration will ruin his financial ability to fully implement the much vaunted social welfare policies, and what he does manage to get through will probably be funded by massive debt to the international bankers rather than by the issuance of debt free money, so future greece scenario for the UK, scotland get out now. I wonder if he'll even be able to nationalise anything. Probably only the stuff that isn't making any money so it can be rebuilt after the current years of neglect then sold off again for a song to private interests a deacde or two in the future. heh.

 

If you're not cynical about these people they put before us to elect by now, there really is no hope for you. So please consider other options before you vote for this wolf in sheep's clothing

what im mostly looking forward to is the media being forced to give coverage to him openly breaking down the layers upon layers of deceit and cruelty in the tory budget. very few independent economists even believe its remotely good for the country, it serves only the ultra rich. whats amazing to me is that so much of the country have swallowed austerity and its associated persecution and manslaughter of the vunerable and infirm. we really do live in compassionless, selfish times.

imo it would be good if more people thought they have the ability to manage/change the world

why not eh

i honestly dont see how you can vote for a second term a party that caused the death of around 4000 people by declaring them fit for work, when they were obviously so sick that they starved to death or commited suicide within 6 weeks of the verdict. a vote for the conservatives is a vote for amorality.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/over-4000-people-have-died-soon-after-being-found-fit-to-work-by-the-dwps-benefit-tests-10474474.html

  On 9/13/2015 at 11:36 PM, taubs said:

 

  On 9/13/2015 at 10:05 PM, delet... said:

just remember the bigger picture. They know that they're losing control over UK politics and so this guy is one of their plays. i'd be happy to be wrong and maybe he's not trying to rock the (real) establishment too much by his views on europe etc. But given the past history of these 'game changer' candidates that they put up for us to marvel over (obama anyone), you really do need to keep an historical perspective and remember the bigger picture, which is that he's most likely scum and further that the labour party do not deserve any more votes ever at this point. So even if you like corbyn and he's the leader, you in your area might be voting for a new labour blairite candidate.

dude, just fucking consider for a second that you might be full of shit. blairites and others in labour made a serious effort to try n prevent Corbyn win (go and read about it cant be fucked explaining) and either quit or will only be backbenchers

 

if you think all that was a ruse,then u are silly

 

  On 9/13/2015 at 11:53 PM, cwmbrancity said:

 

i usually expect clarity with your posts but this is borderline Chunky mate

 

he was 1 of the v few at the height of The Troubles to initiate dialog, which cunts like B.Liar took the props for

 

all politicians are inherently cunts because they think they have the ability to manage/change the world, but yer blowing out your arse ere

 

  On 9/13/2015 at 9:31 PM, delet... said:

the blarites will still be standing for election as will the party members that voted for wars and all the privatisation that went on, no matter the leader. I urge caution cause i'm not an idiot. After all this time getting fucked over by fake left wingers, to now suddenly believe, that a change is coming and you will get it in corbyn, is to be naive in the extreme. Obama was vocal against the iraq war when he was in the illinois senate, he promised everything and delivered nothing in fact he then went on to expand US aggression, further the income disparity, fill the treasuries of the one percent of the one percent. A more recent example of the fake left is tsipras of greece (also a professed hard left socialist). He came in on a platform of liberation for the greek people from the onerous debts heaped upon them through the machinations of cuntly giants like goldman sachs. His finance minster went off to battle the troika with a plan in place to eventually decouple form the euro (this was implicit in his actions (extending the talks, making alternate plans by meeting with russia (and probably china), his words were less direct and more diplomatic, but i've been listening to and reading varoufakis for years, i understand his economic thinking). Then varoufakis gets sidelined and they send in an ex establishment banker to negotiate for greece and then during phony 'crisis' talks, tsipras comes away with an even worse deal for greece than was on the table in the first place. He is no patriot, he is an agent of the banking cartels that really run the west, the man had a mandate to do whatever he wanted to save greece through firstly his coalition which despite opposing political values came together on the debts and the anti euro thing, and secondly through the referendum where the people clearly stated their opposition to the troika, instead tsipras gave the finger to his people and it's democracy (of course maybe they said that they'd kill him and his family or whatever, and he did step down for reelections, but the damage is done with the deal signed, his purpose had been served, he could have been a patriot but that is not what he is).

And so i say again, i don't trust this corbyn and i'm not naive, or an idiot for taking this position first and foremost, if i'm proven wrong, so be it, that will be for everyone's benefit won't it, but i fear that i'll be right on the money yet again. So ignore his rhetoric, actions (when he actually has power and isn't just a pissing in the wind backbencher (probably sent to control the extreme left faction of the party)) will speak louder than words, as they always have, well except nowadays with a pliant media it's hard for the public to understand when they're getting a lemon instead of a limousine until it's too late. And this whole forgive the failings of the 'team' that you support also comes into play, because in some ways you'd then have to blame yourselves for supporting the losers. And most are unable to deal with that. I used to support labour here, and then the greens, i was an idiot then. I didn't realise it, i thought i was helping people that had everyone's best interests at heart, now i know little better, even if i still don't know very much at all. heh.

  On 9/14/2015 at 1:07 AM, delet... said:

...caution cause i'm not an idiot..

noone is saying you're stupid man,but fuck that defeatist attitude

when you're thinking on such a broad international level you'll miss stuff.. say if Corbyn was PM already,that stuff Messiaen was talking about there wouldnt have happened

there's no point mentioning corbyn n obama in same breath...it's completely different shit

  On 9/14/2015 at 1:56 AM, eugene said:

 

  On 9/14/2015 at 1:07 AM, delet... said:

...caution cause i'm not an idiot..

actually thought it was an hyperlink to a website dedicated to explaining how you're not an idiot.

 

hah, this would contain some amazing self denigrating satire if i made it. Sorry to disappoint eugy.

  On 9/14/2015 at 12:24 AM, messiaen said:

what im mostly looking forward to is the media being forced to give coverage to him openly breaking down the layers upon layers of deceit and cruelty in the tory budget. very few independent economists even believe its remotely good for the country, it serves only the ultra rich. whats amazing to me is that so much of the country have swallowed austerity and its associated persecution and manslaughter of the vunerable and infirm. we really do live in compassionless, selfish times.

completely, the Tory agenda is plain to see for anyone with eyes. the evidence below is testimony to it.

  On 9/14/2015 at 12:26 AM, messiaen said:

i honestly dont see how you can vote for a second term a party that caused the death of around 4000 people by declaring them fit for work, when they were obviously so sick that they starved to death or commited suicide within 6 weeks of the verdict. a vote for the conservatives is a vote for amorality.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/over-4000-people-have-died-soon-after-being-found-fit-to-work-by-the-dwps-benefit-tests-10474474.html

when the only alternative is the conservatives, there is literally no point in caution. the man speaks sense, he speaks it clearly and without politician psycho-babble, when challenged he doesnt answer in cryptic riddles, and its as simple as this, the tories need to be stopped.

  On 9/14/2015 at 10:39 AM, messiaen said:

when the only alternative is the conservatives, there is literally no point in caution. the man speaks sense, he speaks it clearly and without politician psycho-babble, when challenged he doesnt answer in cryptic riddles, and its as simple as this, the tories need to be stopped.

This. I just joined the Labour party because Corbyn won. My rational for this is simple: he's in the corner of the working classes as opposed to greedy mega rich cunts. Healthcare and education should be a right for everyone, not just a bonus for the well off. The tories should be tried for the eugenics program they're currently undertaking - all because some disabled and sick people can't be milked for cash.

I'm joining up as a full member too, will be proactive and do what I can during the next five years. Getting him elected as party leader was the easy bit compared to what comes next

delet doesn't do much for the aussie stereotype in this thread.

  On 9/14/2015 at 12:26 AM, messiaen said:

a vote for the conservatives is a vote for amorality.

  On 9/14/2015 at 10:39 AM, messiaen said:

when the only alternative is the conservatives, there is literally no point in caution.

True dis.

  On 9/14/2015 at 10:51 AM, westhead said:

...Healthcare and education should be a right for everyone...

what does it mean "should be a right" exactly? it's not air or sun that are just there, those are (still) expensive services.

i mean it's not wrong to have those systems socialized if there's a consensus about it, but no need to portray them as inherently ethical. essentially it's just more well off people paying for those who can't/can't be arsed to pay for themselves.

i would argue that leaving people to die in the street because they cant afford treatment is as inherently unethical as it gets, and as an extension from that line of thinking, free healthcare is inherently ethical.