The Time Thread

"Present time all of the time, all of the time present time" (or something like that)

- William Burroughs

ps: Where's Reggie muthafuckin Ledoux and his flat circles? Oh aye, in his kegs.....

  On 1/9/2017 at 5:22 PM, Bob Dobalina said:

Nope, you're in a Rubin Farr thread, if you were posting in a Troon thread the intensifying would be palpable.

 

The arrow of time and entropy are truly fascinating topics though.  Just once I want to see a broken teacup rise, self-assemble and return to the table where it belongs!

Peru is really high up, I needed to be given oxygen when I was there!

If time "isn't linear" as many people say, wouldn't that statement in itself be meaningless? Because we form our whole understanding of "opposite of linear" based on our total and utter reliance on a time-as-linear perspective.

We sense things at their face value (most of the time), and it would seem natural to trust our perception and 5 senses. This is not to say other theories are not likely or valid, just that as humans, we're not great candidates for being able to comprehend "the answer", if there is one.

think you need to make a distinction between different kinds of time. Perceived time is different to physical time, for instance. (and Francisco Varela also made the distinction for physiological time: it takes a certain time for the brain to construct the perceived of time) perceived time, or temporal awareness, is a construct. and not a physical property.

whether or not time isn't linear depends on a lot of assumptions. i wouldn't assume it's meaningless. even though our perception tells us it's linear, it's provably not. the "speed" of time very much depends on our mood, for instance. time flies when you're having fun. i'd also say there is no "sensing things at face value". "face value" is a construct. and obviously (by definition) you're not aware of the non-"face-value" stuff that is actually there, but remains outside of perceived reality.

perhaps i don't understand where you're coming from, but this reality creation machine between our ears is very messy and imperfect. and it's made to keep us from being aware of these imperfections.

For fuck's sake. You can't have 3D objects without linear time. Time had to have been one of the first things created when this universe was formed otherwise nothing would be in three dimensions.

^ good points... I also kind of wonder though if time itself is simply a mental tool of measurement to try and quantify our experience through out this realm rather than an objective thing in itself. Much like how i often think science as a whole is also just that. I understand that contradicts what i was saying, just thinking out loud.

Of course i know at that level it could all easily collapse into solipsism, but i just cant help but percieve a lot of language-oriented concepts as only existing as a shared reality.

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people say time is a dimension. but is it?

  On 6/30/2018 at 4:44 PM, very honest said:

people say time is a dimension. but is it?

the models that have been created under that assumption work well enough

  On 6/30/2018 at 4:44 PM, very honest said:

people say time is a dimension. but is it?

I tried to summarize my weak understanding of this and failed to be clear or even make much sense: I need a refresher, it seems.

This happened a while back, but it's worth noting in this thread, since gravity warps space-time and all that. Posting mostly for those that missed it the first time:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/12/science/ligo-gravitational-waves-black-holes-einstein.html

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That faint rising tone, physicists say, is the first direct evidence of gravitational waves, the ripples in the fabric of space-time that Einstein predicted a century ago. (Listen to it 

here.) It completes his vision of a universe in which space and time are interwoven and dynamic, able to stretch, shrink and jiggle. And it is a ringing confirmation of the nature of black holes, the bottomless gravitational pits from which not even light can escape, which were the most foreboding (and unwelcome) part of his theory.

More generally, it means that a century of innovation, testing, questioning and plain hard work after Einstein imagined it on paper, scientists have finally tapped into the deepest register of physical reality, where the weirdest and wildest implications of Einstein’s universe become manifest.

Conveyed by these gravitational waves, power 50 times greater than the output of all the stars in the universe combined vibrated a pair of L-shaped antennas in Washington State and Louisiana known as LIGO on Sept. 14.