UFO'S

  On 12/7/2020 at 11:17 PM, very honest said:

 

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((((UFOs))))

saw this today.. i'm sure this person will be a new regular on ancient aliens. 

  On 12/7/2020 at 11:17 PM, very honest said:

 

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alien blockbuster viral marketing has gone too far

And yet our lives still suck. Thanks a lot, aliens.

  On 12/7/2020 at 11:17 PM, very honest said:

 

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The most unbelievable part is that Trump knew this all the time while he was a president and didn't blurt it out. Based on that I'm calling this BS.

  On 12/8/2020 at 6:23 PM, zkom said:

The most unbelievable part is that Trump knew this all the time while he was a president and didn't blurt it out. Based on that I'm calling this BS.

lol, good point

this could be chalked up to

• national strategic disinfo to assert strength
• he's pushing a book in which he discusses it

but i could also chalk the trump thing up to things like him avoiding intimidating topics, or dod advising him on the consequences of doing it wrong. trump's dod has declassified some stuff on this topic, which could be the path that dod would advise: gradual declassification of evidence

i wonder what dod would assess about a full disclosure scenario. would countries with regimes tied to religion become destabilized? would cults claim contact, introducing new fronts of disinformation that would threaten the perceived legitimacy of governments? would it spur individuals to tap into their own transcendant abilities, further fueling destabilizing claims and disinfo? i wonder if those could actually be significant threat dynamics. i would not be surprised if addressing the information issue that is manifesting in destabilized american democracy would also serve to set the stage for a general competency to handle a kind of initiation into a praeter-human society.

also, i'm not convinced that governments know that much. they may be in a similar position to the public's: being aware of anomalous incidents, but not having conclusive information about the exact nature. this dude who wrote a book may have phrased things such that they are not the most accurate formulations

we already see evidence declassified by governments. what's lacking is society's ability to handle information, lol 

  On 12/8/2020 at 6:49 PM, very honest said:

we already see evidence declassified by governments

curious if there's something in particular you're talking about here...i don't think i've seen any 'evidence' declassified. there's been a fair amount of information declassified, but as far as i can remember it's all just speculation/admission of ignorance and research into unknown sightings, phenomenon/etc. 

  On 12/8/2020 at 6:53 PM, auxien said:

curious if there's something in particular you're talking about here...i don't think i've seen any 'evidence' declassified. there's been a fair amount of information declassified, but as far as i can remember it's all just speculation/admission of ignorance and research into unknown sightings, phenomenon/etc. 

i mean, of course there's the distinction between evidence and proof, one being conclusive one not.

the fravor tic tac video and account is one. i seem to recall the air force has declassified a number of anomalous incidents, including data collected on multiple independent devices (as was the case in the fravor tic tac incident). i think the mexican government has put out data on fleets of UAP. the french government i think has. i don't have a good list ready, it would be useful to try to build one. i believe there is a sizable collection of compelling and relatively solid data. the space station tether video? posters here could probably contribute if they wanted. i think there are a number in this thread already

can remember if i told you this story... a former professor of mine, who's a world known expert in his field, he also worked for nasa and some other similar agencies, once told me and few of my colleagues that we've been in contact with 4 different species of aliens continuously for about 40 yrs now. first thing these colleagues did was they looked at me, bc i work in the mental health field lol

Despite his credentials, Haim Eshed's story sounds like such bullshit to me. For example, 

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the Galactic Federation ... wished to prevent mass hysteria since they felt humanity needed to "evolve and reach a stage where we will... understand what space and spaceships are,"

WTF? We do know what spaceships are, since we invented them? As for us understanding space, that is debatable, but the GF could always just convey their special knowledge to us if they want us to have it. Also, it's unclear why mass hysteria would be prevented by understanding "space and spaceships". 

I find e.g. Fravor's account (with the accompanying footage) to be a much more convincing line of evidence. 

That's crazy man, have you ever done DMT ? 

What's the "preventing mass hysteria" bullshit? First, it's incredibly paternalistic. For all this talk of the "freedom" afforded by democratic governance, it's really fucking annoying to see once again a person in a position of leadership determining what the public can or can't handle. 

Second, the state of the world is pretty silly now. I'm doubtful that telling people about a galactic federation would make things that much worse. Arguably, it might bring people together. What is the reasoning exactly that this would pull people apart? It's more plausible that people in positions of power would prefer to keep this information to themselves, so that they can find ways to use this information to their advantage. It's what they do. 

Third, all of this is rather silly, anyway, and I don't put a whole lot of stock in any of it. As someone already mentioned, we have evidence of tic tacs or something. That's about it. Could be explained in all sorts of ways that don't have jack to do with a Galactic Federation. This has been said many times, but it could be some unexplained weather phenomenon, could be some random anarchist aliens, could be some country with some really advanced, as yet undisclosed tech. It's really not hard to imagine so many other things than a silly Star Trek Wars plot. Goodness, it's embarrassing to even address this. 

Fourth, we have a hard enough time understanding non-human terrestrial forms of life. We've all heard the old Wittgenstein addage: "If a lion could speak, we wouldn't understand it." Are we to believe our leaders are so smart that not only can they handle information that can't be entrusted to the rest of us, but they're also great at communicating with forms of life from a completely different evolutionary timeline? Fuck right off. 

I had a few more points, but that's enough for now. 

the animals are already talking to us through their migration patterns and populations.  they arent happy, theyre all going extinct. and we keep killing them.  their language will be one of silence for future generations

the aliens have been in contact with hashtag israel lol

I don't entirely disagree. The animals we didn't create are rightly distressed, and the ones we did are in various forms of hell. We can understand this much. 

I've always thought the Wittgenstein line was overstated (it was in the larger context of his investigations into language and mind), but there is something that's probably partly right about it, as is the case with most good works of philosophy. My point is just that we have a hard enough time learning to appreciate the various forms of life on this planet, which are basically close relatives of us, given the shared evolutionary timeline, genetics, etc. Now we're to believe that political leaders in the US and Israel have been in communication with intelligences greater than our own, from a completely different evolutionary background from the Earth's? Fuck, these people can barely communicate with other humans effectively. 

Okay, one additional point to add to my list, while I'm here. Fifth, Carl Sagan was so excited about potentially communicating with non-human intelligent aliens. You would think that he would have revealed something to the public, especially as he was slowly dying of lukemia and he had nothing else to lose. He worked so hard on making pictographs that could be understood by non-Earth language users, on astrobiology, on SETI stuff. Too bad no one told him about these communications that have been happening in the government. This guy was arguably a world expert on speculations concerning extraterrestrial intelligences. But apparently Trump and his cronies and other sub-intellects have been able to communicate with aliens so effectively that they learned of a Galactic Fucking Federation. You know how complicated of an idea that would be to get across? And these idiots have some proof of it? What's more likely: that they jump to conclusions based on some blurry pictures of fast-moving tic-tacs, or that they can speak Alien-ese and are working closely enough with the aliens to know that humanity "isn't ready", or some Jeff-Bridges Movie Ending Scene Hollywood bullshit? 

Actually, the horribleness of an actually intelligent guy who worked really hard to accomplish this and  not get it while a failure '80s businessman throwback reality TV show president actually communicates with aliens is so horrible that it's probably true. I change my mind. Fuck it. Fuck this world. 

I have more points but now I've bummed myself out. 

the aliens heard Carl Sagan’s signals and stopped by to talk to Mitch McConnell 

  On 12/8/2020 at 9:07 PM, Alcofribas said:

the aliens heard Carl Sagan’s signals and stopped by to talk to Mitch McConnell 

Mitch is very obviously the first step on the path of Reptilian evolution. 

take us to your senate majority leader 

the movie arrival but the aliens just use their ink to sign weapons contracts and anti-immigration policies

  On 12/8/2020 at 9:09 PM, cloud capture said:

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Damn

  On 12/8/2020 at 6:58 PM, very honest said:

i mean, of course there's the distinction between evidence and proof, one being conclusive one not.

the fravor tic tac video and account is one. i seem to recall the air force has declassified a number of anomalous incidents, including data collected on multiple independent devices (as was the case in the fravor tic tac incident). i think the mexican government has put out data on fleets of UAP. the french government i think has. i don't have a good list ready, it would be useful to try to build one. i believe there is a sizable collection of compelling and relatively solid data. the space station tether video? posters here could probably contribute if they wanted. i think there are a number in this thread already

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true true, tictac and others were somewhat disproven, from what i've seen. even if not (the 'disproof' isn't 100%, doesnt take into account the full extent of eyewitness accounts) you're not left with much 'evidence' beyond govs (remember, everyone in the gov is at the end of the day just a citizen) admitting 'hey we've seen some shit' and yeah man, that sure aint proof no doubt. a collection of data about a subject doesnt go for much on its own. there's lot of data consisting of very similar types of 'evidence' re: every major religion but obv those aint true either lol

the space station tether video? this? 

edit: incorrectly worded a small point

do they have galactic universal healthcare?