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A lot of Leave voters coming out saying they felt like they've been treated like idiots and tired of stereotypes or accusations of racism (which I saw a fair amount of from Remain supporters), before hopping on to the idea that anything Remain is perpetuated by quinoa eating middle class millenials living in London. Nauseated by it all, UK is in an ugly state, we're all to blame but no one wants to take that blame. A lotta work needs to be done to heal these rifts before we try and flex it on the world stage (and should have been done long before we hopped the EU ship).

  On 6/27/2016 at 7:46 PM, MDM Chaos said:

lol at emotional woman at 1:37

 

yeah lol

  On 6/27/2016 at 8:27 PM, azatoth said:

https://www.facebook.com/seb.read/videos/10153411326631653/

 

loool

  On 6/27/2016 at 8:37 PM, chenGOD said:

 

  On 6/27/2016 at 1:14 PM, WNS000 said:

 

 

Always described abroad as a multicultural, educated country now showing its true face after the referendum? Verbal assaults against Poles and migrants from eastern EU while the Muslim community rises steadily? What a sad joke. Absolutely unbelievable and irrational.

 

 

 

It's almost as if prejudices against certain ethnicities/religions/races aren't based on a rational foundation.

 

 

Which is not what I said because some caution against certain religions and cultures is definitely rational and practical. And I haven't discussed ethnicities and races at all. So...

Edited June 27, 2016 by WNS000

  On 6/27/2016 at 8:51 PM, WeAreOceans said:

A lot of Leave voters coming out saying they felt like they've been treated like idiots and tired of stereotypes or accusations of racism (which I saw a fair amount of from Remain supporters), before hopping on to the idea that anything Remain is perpetuated by quinoa eating middle class millenials living in London. Nauseated by it all, UK is in an ugly state, we're all to blame but no one wants to take that blame. A lotta work needs to be done to heal these rifts before we try and flex it on the world stage (and should have been done long before we hopped the EU ship).

 

Good point. I can definitely imagine militant Remain supporters accusing everybody against uncontrolled immigration of racism.

would be cool if britain found some way to do a nevermind thing. like i dont think they would do a nevermind referendum, but if they allow the scottish parliament to block it or something like that it could effectively be the same thing.

 

just seems like the consensus is it was a mistake and it would be cool to see reason prevail

Edited June 27, 2016 by very honest

Honest mistake.

  On 6/27/2016 at 11:35 PM, WNS000 said:

 

  On 6/27/2016 at 7:46 PM, MDM Chaos said:

lol at emotional woman at 1:37

yeah lol

  On 6/27/2016 at 8:27 PM, azatoth said:

https://www.facebook.com/seb.read/videos/10153411326631653/

loool

  On 6/27/2016 at 8:37 PM, chenGOD said:

 

  On 6/27/2016 at 1:14 PM, WNS000 said:

 

 

Always described abroad as a multicultural, educated country now showing its true face after the referendum? Verbal assaults against Poles and migrants from eastern EU while the Muslim community rises steadily? What a sad joke. Absolutely unbelievable and irrational.

 

 

It's almost as if prejudices against certain ethnicities/religions/races aren't based on a rational foundation.

Which is not what I said because some caution against certain religions and cultures is definitely rational and practical. And I haven't discussed ethnicities and races at all. So...

As long as it's not your religion and culture right?

  On 6/28/2016 at 12:08 AM, chenGOD said:

 

  On 6/27/2016 at 11:35 PM, WNS000 said:

 

  On 6/27/2016 at 7:46 PM, MDM Chaos said:

lol at emotional woman at 1:37

yeah lol

  On 6/27/2016 at 8:27 PM, azatoth said:

https://www.facebook.com/seb.read/videos/10153411326631653/

loool

  On 6/27/2016 at 8:37 PM, chenGOD said:

 

  On 6/27/2016 at 1:14 PM, WNS000 said:

 

 

Always described abroad as a multicultural, educated country now showing its true face after the referendum? Verbal assaults against Poles and migrants from eastern EU while the Muslim community rises steadily? What a sad joke. Absolutely unbelievable and irrational.

 

 

It's almost as if prejudices against certain ethnicities/religions/races aren't based on a rational foundation.

Which is not what I said because some caution against certain religions and cultures is definitely rational and practical. And I haven't discussed ethnicities and races at all. So...

As long as it's not your religion and culture right?

 

 

As long as it's not a culture and religion that is completely incompatible (or even illegal) in my country. Naturally, what I believe in is what I consider to be right and I also comply with laws in my country.

I don't have cable/TV and really stay away from current events aside from hearing peeps on WATMM and FB. I know it's pathetic, fuck you. I just can't be bothered with 99% of it, nothing against the world -- it's just the only way I stay sane.

 

Can someone please explain like you were explaining to an ignorant teen - Why did Britain do this? What does it mean now they are not with the EU? Will this have any effect on Scots or Irish peeps? And lastly, why have I been talked down to by UK peeps since 9/11 with the 'hurr durr, stupid American" mentality... but it seems their country is pretty fucked when it comes to fear-mongering and hick-ideology from what I've heard and seen.

 

(warning) fellow WATMM Brit's, you're cool man, not dissing your country or harshing your chill. My sarcasm/insult detector is not set to 'British' so feel free to slide a few jabs in there in a clever manner. Cheery-o what what n'the like.

Hopefully Ian Duncan Smith will take over the Conservative leadership and continue his campaign of murdering the cripples.

  On 6/28/2016 at 12:38 AM, WNS000 said:

 

  On 6/28/2016 at 12:08 AM, chenGOD said:

 

As long as it's not your religion and culture right?

 

 

As long as it's not a culture and religion that is completely incompatible (or even illegal) in my country. Naturally, what I believe in is what I consider to be right and I also comply with laws in my country.

 

 

your descendants will be proud to see how forward thinking you were when they research the digital records of their ancestry.

  On 6/28/2016 at 12:42 AM, Audioblysk said:

I don't have cable/TV and really stay away from current events aside from hearing peeps on WATMM and FB. I know it's pathetic, fuck you. I just can't be bothered with 99% of it, nothing against the world -- it's just the only way I stay sane.

 

Can someone please explain like you were explaining to an ignorant teen - Why did Britain do this? What does it mean now they are not with the EU? Will this have any effect on Scots or Irish peeps? And lastly, why have I been talked down to by UK peeps since 9/11 with the 'hurr durr, stupid American" mentality... but it seems their country is pretty fucked when it comes to fear-mongering and hick-ideology from what I've heard and seen.

 

(warning) fellow WATMM Brit's, you're cool man, not dissing your country or harshing your chill. My sarcasm/insult detector is not set to 'British' so feel free to slide a few jabs in there in a clever manner. Cheery-o what what n'the like.

its a pretty long story to be honest, i would recommend reading stuff from a different level of sources to find out, from IMO worst to best(roughly) the daily express, the sun, the telegraph, the independent, the guardian, another angry voice, frankie boyles tweets.

  On 6/28/2016 at 12:42 AM, Audioblysk said:

 

And lastly, why have I been talked down to by UK peeps since 9/11 with the 'hurr durr, stupid American" mentality... but it seems their country is pretty fucked when it comes to fear-mongering and hick-ideology from what I've heard and seen.

 

American "hick-ideology" is more likely to escape our borders than, say, British or Chinese equivalents -- and with P dire consequences in a lot of cases. Also George W. Bush's cowboy presidency probably didn't help. Edited June 28, 2016 by doublename

long story very short, conservatives deprive and ruin the lives of many poverty stricken people with a 5 year campaign of idealogical austerity, succesfully scapegoat immigrants, trick people in the country naive enough to still believe in what politicians state as fact into thinking that the country would be better off completely independent, so we dont have to give a (completely fabricated) 350 million quid a week to the EU, and also can stop unfettered european freedom of movement from poorer EU countries to ours, and then narrowly won.

 

now there is just a baffled sense of loss, confusion, and chaos, from the remain camp, and millions of the more moderate leavers who were tricked by the blatant lies of the Leave campaign, which is imo a power grab from certain tory MPs who never actually expected leave to win.

Edited June 28, 2016 by messiaen

also seems to have opened up a vein of racism which has been thinly veiled by people ideas of what is right or wrong, into a torrent of open racial and xenophobic abuse across the entire country.

 

 

i would say its safe to state that david cameron will go down in history as being the most destructive PM this country has seen in decades, maybe in a century.

and i do infact believe that immigration can clearly be considered an issue when it comes to the successful administration of a country, but severing 20-30 years of stability, peace(within europe anyway, our foreign policy is a huge part of creating the illegal immigrants the more vocal leavers take serious issue with) and profitable standardised trade agreements, animal welfare, and human rights laws is clearly the worst possible way to go about it.

  On 6/28/2016 at 12:53 AM, very honest said:

 

  On 6/28/2016 at 12:38 AM, WNS000 said:

 

  On 6/28/2016 at 12:08 AM, chenGOD said:

 

As long as it's not your religion and culture right?

 

 

As long as it's not a culture and religion that is completely incompatible (or even illegal) in my country. Naturally, what I believe in is what I consider to be right and I also comply with laws in my country.

 

 

your descendants will be proud to see how forward thinking you were when they research the digital records of their ancestry.

 

 

I prefer strong arguments tbh...

lob a few generalized grenades is it Mr/Mrs WNS? classy

 

 

  On 6/28/2016 at 12:38 AM, WNS000 said:

  On 6/28/2016 at 12:08 AM, chenGOD said:

  On 6/27/2016 at 11:35 PM, WNS000 said:

  On 6/27/2016 at 8:37 PM, chenGOD said:

  On 6/27/2016 at 1:14 PM, WNS000 said:

Always described abroad as a multicultural, educated country now showing its true face after the referendum? Verbal assaults against Poles and migrants from eastern EU while the Muslim community rises steadily? What a sad joke. Absolutely unbelievable and irrational.

 

 

As long as it's not a culture and religion that is completely incompatible (or even illegal) in my country. Naturally, what I believe in is what I consider to be right and I also comply with laws in my country.

 

 

 

cripes, as Boris might say.... first & foremost the Left (the left of old Labour/trade-unions & New Labour) and Right wings (Tory party/"One Nation Conservatism") of British politics are fracturing along lines of age & identity, rather than class. Its why the Labour party have lost Scotland (completely) & why the current Tory govt are hemorrhaging

 

2) ponder at the human race and its relentless ability to be shockingly ignorant. Heard of the word agency? Its like giving bitter, disenfranchised folks and the elderly, the latter with a barely remembered sense of colonial privilege, the opportunity to stick it to the "other". Pack animals.

 

3), instead of trusting in parliamentary democracy, some people are that removed from the decisions that subjugate their sense of entitlement, that they react as they have done when presented with the opportunity to vent. Its pathetic, but inherent in mankind.

 

4) fuck off u cheeky cunt.

 

 

 

  On 6/28/2016 at 12:42 AM, Audioblysk said:

I don't have cable/TV and really stay away from current events aside from hearing peeps on WATMM and FB. I know it's pathetic, fuck you. I just can't be bothered with 99% of it, nothing against the world -- it's just the only way I stay sane.

 

Can someone please explain like you were explaining to an ignorant teen - Why did Britain do this? What does it mean now they are not with the EU? Will this have any effect on Scots or Irish peeps? And lastly, why have I been talked down to by UK peeps since 9/11 with the 'hurr durr, stupid American" mentality... but it seems their country is pretty fucked when it comes to fear-mongering and hick-ideology from what I've heard and seen.

 

(warning) fellow WATMM Brit's, you're cool man, not dissing your country or harshing your chill. My sarcasm/insult detector is not set to 'British' so feel free to slide a few jabs in there in a clever manner. Cheery-o what what n'the like.

 

 

See above minus point-4

 

There is a tradition in Europe of seeing cultural trends in stages - feudalism, civilization & debauchery, these patterns having played out over thousands of years. Therefore, what you might pick up on are judgmental opinions on the US having skipped the civilization aspect and gone straight from feudalism to debauchery.

 

Certain Europeans can & do sneer at American culture, but its largely based on post Cold War military industrial complex conditions and corporations raping the world more efficiently than the British empire & East India Company ever could, nevermind Rome. Old vs New, in a nutshell and the perceived shift in hegemony attached to it.

 

Plus the US exports lots and lots of really crap films ;)

Edited June 28, 2016 by cwmbrancity

  On 6/28/2016 at 4:00 AM, cwmbrancity said:

lob a few generalized grenades is it Mr/Mrs WNS? classy

 

 

  On 6/28/2016 at 12:38 AM, WNS000 said:

  On 6/28/2016 at 12:08 AM, chenGOD said:

  On 6/27/2016 at 11:35 PM, WNS000 said:

  On 6/27/2016 at 8:37 PM, chenGOD said:

  On 6/27/2016 at 1:14 PM, WNS000 said:

 

 

Always described abroad as a multicultural, educated country now showing its true face after the referendum? Verbal assaults against Poles and migrants from eastern EU while the Muslim community rises steadily? What a sad joke. Absolutely unbelievable and irrational.

 

 

 

As long as it's not a culture and religion that is completely incompatible (or even illegal) in my country. Naturally, what I believe in is what I consider to be right and I also comply with laws in my country.

 

 

 

cripes, as Boris might say.... first & foremost the Left (the left of old Labour/trade-unions & New Labour) and Right wings (Tory party/"One Nation Conservatism") of British politics are fracturing along lines of age & identity, rather than class. Its why the Labour party have lost Scotland (completely) & why the current Tory govt are hemorrhaging

 

2) ponder at the human race and its relentless ability to be shockingly ignorant. Heard of the word agency? Its like giving bitter, disenfranchised folks and the elderly, the latter with a barely remembered sense of colonial privilege, the opportunity to stick it to the "other". Pack animals.

 

3), instead of trusting in parliamentary democracy, some people are that removed from the decisions that subjugate their sense of entitlement, that they react as they have done when presented with the opportunity to vent. Its pathetic, but inherent in mankind.

 

4) fuck off u cheeky cunt.

 

I am not sure if you were writing to me or not (not native English, so I have problems understanding what you have written atm). I ignore number 4 though.

according to a friend who just traveled back from Ireland, they've already started spot checking people for explosives residue. this is not a good sign.

  On 6/28/2016 at 3:00 PM, MDM Chaos said:

according to a friend who just traveled back from Ireland, they've already started spot checking people for explosives residue. this is not a good sign.

 

My last trip out of country was to Japan in Sept - got the full chemical/body/metal scan

 

they didn't didnt jack btw :P

  On 6/28/2016 at 3:19 PM, phudoshin said:

 

  On 6/28/2016 at 3:00 PM, MDM Chaos said:

according to a friend who just traveled back from Ireland, they've already started spot checking people for explosives residue. this is not a good sign.

 

My last trip out of country was to Japan in Sept - got the full chemical/body/metal scan

 

they didn't didnt jack btw :P

 

what are your thoughts about the danger to the Northern Ireland peace deals?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/24/northern-irish-peace-sacrificed-english-nationalism

As an American, this is very confusing. Maybe different cultural norms?

Why would anyone want rules and regulations made and enforced by people which have not been elected?

Shouldn't this consideration override any short or midterm economic hardships?

Fill me in.

How do you feel about the Supreme Court?

  On 6/28/2016 at 4:26 PM, Namssorb said:

As an American, this is very confusing. Maybe different cultural norms?

Why would anyone want rules and regulations made and enforced by people which have not been elected?

Shouldn't this consideration override any short or midterm economic hardships?

Fill me in.

 

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but:

 

EU citizens vote for their MEPs (Members of the European Parliament) who then delegate Commissioners. Commissioners come up with proposals, which are then reviewed by the European Parliament. The MEPs can decide to block, amend or accept the proposals (I'm not sure how unanimous a Parliament decision needs to be). The EU is not as undemocratic as some make it out to be, but I can see people getting upset over the idea of having to rely on several different foreign countries coming up with decisions that affect their own country.