What's up with the apathy toward Drukqs back in 2001?

alternatively you can mix syro and CCAC2 together and get drukqs 2 >:D

er...CCAI2. how the eff do I edit posts

Yeah did that

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Hello Spiral

Posted 20 January 2015 - 11:26 PM

Anyone considered doing this?

 

1. Minipops 67 (Source Field Mix)

2. diskhat ALL prepared1mixed 13

3. Xmas_Evet10 (Thanaton3 Mix)

4. snar2

5. Produk 29

6. diskhat1

7. 4 Bit 9d Api+e+6

8. piano un1 arpej

9. 180db_

10. DISKPREPT4

11. Circlont6a (Syrobonkus Mix)

12. hat 2b 2012b

13. Fz Pseudotimestretch+e+3

14. disk aud1_12

15. Circlont14 (Shrymoming Mix)

16. 0035 1-Audio

17. Syro U473t8+e (Piezoluminescence Mix)

18. disk prep calrec2 barn dance [slo]

19. Papat4 (Pineal Mix)

20. DISKPREPT1

21. S950tx16wasr10 (Earth Portal Mix)

22. diskhat2

23. Aisatsana

24. piano un10 it happened

25. Marchromt30a Edit 2b 96

26. hat5c 0001 rec-4

  On 5/30/2016 at 12:26 PM, hello spiral said:

 

Yeah did that

 

  Quote

Hello Spiral

Posted 20 January 2015 - 11:26 PM

Anyone considered doing this?

 

1. Minipops 67 (Source Field Mix)

2. diskhat ALL prepared1mixed 13

3. Xmas_Evet10 (Thanaton3 Mix)

4. snar2

5. Produk 29

6. diskhat1

7. 4 Bit 9d Api+e+6

8. piano un1 arpej

9. 180db_

10. DISKPREPT4

11. Circlont6a (Syrobonkus Mix)

12. hat 2b 2012b

13. Fz Pseudotimestretch+e+3

14. disk aud1_12

15. Circlont14 (Shrymoming Mix)

16. 0035 1-Audio

17. Syro U473t8+e (Piezoluminescence Mix)

18. disk prep calrec2 barn dance [slo]

19. Papat4 (Pineal Mix)

20. DISKPREPT1

21. S950tx16wasr10 (Earth Portal Mix)

22. diskhat2

23. Aisatsana

24. piano un10 it happened

25. Marchromt30a Edit 2b 96

26. hat5c 0001 rec-4

 

I'mma have to try this

I'm digging it. The tracks relate well to each other

  On 4/3/2016 at 3:09 PM, mokz said:

 

Just wanted to say that the whole Come to Daddy EP/minialbum is way underrated. Bucephalus may be my favorite Aphex track.

 

^This!

  On 4/2/2016 at 8:45 AM, Trilobot said:

Personally I think it's just because it was released just a tad bit too early. What I mean by that is at the time nobody, NOBODY had written anything that crazy before. It's a pretty alien and difficult listen, probably turned off a lot of listeners the first couple of years. A lot of painters have the same issue too, nobody gives a shit about certain works until enough time has passed for trends to change. Drukqs is Richard's fine wine, but instead of tasting better we just have a better grasp at understanding how awesome the album is.

 

It probably helped that the musicians that were influenced by Drukqs at the time helped future listeners get into crazy stuff like that, too.

 

Or maybe we all just sucked back then, IDK. I was 7 when Drukqs was released, was way too busy playing with Legos to notice.

greg hates car culture is from 99 and is considered an influence on drukqs I do believe probably go plastic too

The sequencing of the tracks is definitely, erm, challenging. Think it would have gone down better if there'd been separate "electronic" and piano CDs or releases. I really like it but it almost deliberately makes it difficult with the sequencing of tracks. I know my friends who had been into aphex, albeit more casually than me, kind of lost a lot of interest in him after that. Though they'd still go back to his earlier stuff. At the end of the day, another thing is people want more of the same, more SAW etc that broke him massively.

the sequencing has always worked well (imo). it's nice to have some dynamic variety, instead of having four high-energy/ultra-detailed tracks in a row (which can be exhausting), you get some room to breathe with the ambient/random bits littered about. i'm sure others have described the 'lesser'/simpler tracks, along with the disklavier tracks as palate cleansers.. that's kind of how it works for me. don't see what the problem is with the variety/flow

essentially SONGS ABOUT MY CATS came out before drukqs?? not that he could've made drukqs that soon after but maybe 1 or 2 tracks??

also printf was released in 2000 so

also don't forget songs about cats was on planet mu so maybe mike p played some of the tracks to RDJ well before its release

chickn > egg

I don't see the comparisons between these VS albums and drukqs its not even that similar

  On 10/15/2016 at 4:01 AM, Zeffolia said:

I don't see the comparisons between these VS albums and drukqs its not even that similar

I don't hear it either

Maybe similar production methods but the end result isn't really comparable other than the fast pace? Not to me anyways.

  On 10/15/2016 at 5:40 AM, StephenG said:

 

  On 10/15/2016 at 4:01 AM, Zeffolia said:

I don't see the comparisons between these VS albums and drukqs its not even that similar

I don't hear it either

 

Maybe similar production methods but the end result isn't really comparable other than the fast pace? Not to me anyways.

 

I can see the "It's hard hitting" aspect but that's not what the drukqs dnb tracks are about.  They're about the subtlety, the little formant sounding envelopes on the background acid in sync with the drums that make the tracks organic where they leave a mental impression

The VS tracks are forgettable and the only takeaway is "That was fast and loud" whereas with drukqs tracks there are individual moments.

  On 10/14/2016 at 7:32 PM, barbara planar said:

the sequencing has always worked well (imo). it's nice to have some dynamic variety, instead of having four high-energy/ultra-detailed tracks in a row (which can be exhausting), you get some room to breathe with the ambient/random bits littered about. i'm sure others have described the 'lesser'/simpler tracks, along with the disklavier tracks as palate cleansers.. that's kind of how it works for me. don't see what the problem is with the variety/flow

  On 10/15/2016 at 4:01 AM, Zeffolia said:

I don't see the comparisons between these VS albums and drukqs its not even that similar

+1 to both. All those times I've been trying to hunt down anything which would be in the same vein to Drukqs' Drill'n Bass bits, breakcore has popped up as a recommendation but to my ears they aren't the same thing - not even close, although I'm not a specialist on that front by any means. Breakcore just never did me anything.

I like the variety on Druqks and I've never been bothered by the quieter bits on Drukqs. If those bugged me, I guess I wouldn't have loved CCAI pt.2 either. Yet, there are times when I need my fix of my playlist of Drukqs era Drill'n Bass tracks (Drukqs, Cockv.10 promo, boxenergies, smojphace, Mangle 11 added with Perc#6 <- dunno why but it just sits there)

  On 10/15/2016 at 9:06 AM, Mesh Gear Fox said:

nah that's a little harsh. vsnares tracks are perhaps less cinematic in scope but are their own thing. if his tracks were understood only on the merit of it's just 'fast and loud' he wouldn't need to make them as goddamn complex, he could just make generic speedcore and play to a complete different audience. 

 

 

this

Drukqs is a different beast from vsnares in general. Different vibes totally.

Well the come to daddy EP came out In 1997, Drukqs seems like a natural progression. To say that It was influenced by v snares is mind boggling 

it was obvious at the time it was influenced by vsnares. That wacky almost erratic chocked full of samples and lack of groove/ syncopation like his earlier works. very vsnares. 

The piano stuff was unexpected and turned me on to Satie.. I was there man

the early VxSx stuff and drukqs both make druggies spaz the fuck out, i can surely see a resemblence

nothing can touch drukqs tough

  On 10/15/2016 at 6:19 PM, Ivan Ooze said:

the early VxSx stuff and drukqs both make druggies spaz the fuck out

I can confirm this to be fact

Yeah, it's bloody obvious that early VS is part of what informed the harder tracks on Drukqs. The raw materials and the tools are the same (crusty samples of breaks, drum machines, synths, etc, manipulated and sequenced by trackers), the textures are the same (gritty, grey, monochrome), the instrumentation is to a large degree the same (just a few layers of mostly monophonic/mute group'ed lines), the temporal organization of call and response between different breaks, etc.

Of course AFX had lots of other influences as well and put his own imitable twist on all of it - more advanced compositions and theme development, more elaborate arrangements and ornamentation, more complex DSP treatment via CDP, and so on, but the similarities are clear as the day.

  On 4/11/2016 at 6:56 PM, Caribou said:

True, although I'll probably still listen to it another hundred times to try to figure it out.

 

Ehh, I don't have any particular examples, and maybe ugly was the wrong word. The album as a whole just seems very plasticky? A lot of them sound like presets to me. NOW I know they are most certainly not presets and I do think the album is worthy of the Aphex Twin name, but they sound pretty bland to me. Whatever sounds he used just don't resonate with me and I don't enjoy the album that much, but I DO respect it. It's an Aphex album through and through but it just doesn't do it for me.

I feel the same way and I think Rich sums it up quite nicely in this part of the Syrobonkers interview:

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Artwork, this time I didnt want to just stick a ‘picture’ on it you know, its pretty acidmicrodot inspired in a way [cold as fuck] as was icbyd cover which happened after my girlfriend morphed into me while she was lying on top of me [scariest thing I ever saw, looked much better than the pic i painted for that, , no emotion, which is how I’ve felt on acid before, just experiencing so much more than normal, heightened senses, telepathy, huge increase of smell, I think I can smell my own brain now…it smells clean and grey, it’s a strange smell, being aware of so much more but not feeling ANY emotion.

completely culturally deprogrammed, one very good reason why it’s illegal, like the beautiful scene in John Carpenters ‘they live’ ‘money is your god etc’ but even more extreme to the point of how you behave.

I think doing acid is a bit of a brute force way of getting outside yourself, there are other easier ways but no less difficult to deal with and more intense but without the brutal chemicals in your body.

I had an astral projection the first time I did acid [after about 5/6 hours] right outside myself on the ceiling, looked down on my body making a sandwich, such a terrifying experience,

Well I don’t think terrifying is the right word, I don’t think there is a word, I think getting a 2nd one is harder as you have to overcome the fear.

I had a trip on a microdot once around 94ish , it went very weird, long story short, I couldn’t find anything that was good or worthwhile about music, I put on some of my fave records by other people [i get into this state tripping sometimes, .. what am i supposed to do now?[deprogrammed] its pretty scary..and thought oh maybe i would play… like music.. to enjoy?]

I was in quite a desperate/seeking state and they all sounded so bad, the brutal truth, pointless and totally boring, i saw how i kind of invented/made up a fantasy about things i liked, kind of tricking and lying to myself that it was good so i could feel nice&comfy, anyway I thought there must be something good to fucking listen to… and I found it , it was turning my amp and eq up on maximum and I mean maximum and spinning the radio dial backwards and forwards, [it was a nice weighted one] , I was totally emotionless when I was doing it [ :) ] and I thought…hmmm yeah thats …kind of alright, then my speakers blew up.

But in the back of my mind now, many years l8r I can choose to remember the feeling of everything anyone ever does creatively is actually terrible, the only comforting thought I can get like that is , well rocks can’t make beats or something, ha , so that’s kind of good, i don’t knw wtf I’m going on about…jeez.

anyway

awhile after my girlfriend tried to comfort me, as i musta looked in a bit of a state, she stroked my arm and all I could think was, why is there a skeleton with a blood circulatory system moving up n down on my skeleton with another blood circulatory system! [absolute deprogrammed to fuk]

it was confusing I knew I was supposed to feel something but didn’t and when I saw my girlfriend get upset, 4 a split second I ‘felt bad’ and said I was sorry I dunno what I’m supposed to do..like a kind of remnant of emotion just flicked back for half a second.

what a tangent..yeah its cold microdot vibe basically, ha

 

Its hard to read because of the formatting, but this is pretty much how most of Syro feels for me. Even Xmas_Evet, which I love. Has a kind of cold and emotionless feel despite there being a lot of emotional sounding melodies. I think it has to do with how much it jumps around, but also with how technical a lot of it is. I think part of it might be that Syro is less serious. It feels like a 'jam-out' album. Just Rich experimenting and having fun. That, and I feel like he just got a little too technical and nichey with the sound for my taste, it ends up sounding a little overworked and 'hey look what I can do' than Drukqs did. Drukqs felt organic and free-flowing despite how much work he obviously put into it. I think all is not lost though. Some of the stuff on Tuss and soundcloud didn't have this cold feeling to me. I think Rushup 12 is a perfect example. It has a real palpable feeling of intense melancholic urgency mixed with maybe a sense of loss and bitterness. Its a great track to go exercise to after a bad day.

Then again, it's all fucking subjective 

  On 5/17/2016 at 11:23 PM, ceiling said:

Analord is the sound of someone who never got to fully flex that Acid itch. 

  On 5/17/2016 at 11:13 PM, ceiling said:

Syro is the sound of someone with a gear fetish. 

  On 5/17/2016 at 11:29 PM, ceiling said:

Selected Ambient Works Volume II is the sound of someone who lent their drum machine to a mate and never got it back. 

classic posts

especially the Selected Ambient Works II one