Petty reasons to dislike music

  On 9/10/2016 at 8:40 PM, StephenG said:

They are an accurate representation of what happens in their world yeah. That's why I appreciate it. 

 

Not so much the new stuff out there, people like kanye spouting about their struggles when they have xxxxx Million USD in the bank.

 

edit: granted I get thats not the "gangster rap" we're talking about. Just saying rappers are often rich as f'ack so some of their shit doesn't come across as genuine.

 

i don't think kanye is talking about struggle in the same terms as "morally conscious" rappers. i'm the last person who wants to defend him but braggadocio and the "troubled millionaire" persona have been part of rap forever. jay z has made an entire career out of a persona that would be psychopathic if it weren't fiction. it's the same as someone writing a book from an assumed point of view. the other people mentioned (nwa, tupac) are documenting whatever reality exists around them. that's the purpose of most gangster rap, it's a cultural insight for people far removed from that lived experience, although it's also heavily colored by fictionalized narratives. tbh i'd rather listen to a murderer document their worldview than a conscious rapper try to preach to me.

  On 9/10/2016 at 8:37 PM, Alcofribas said:

 

  On 9/10/2016 at 8:28 PM, LimpyLoo said:

Edit: @ StephenG

 

That stuff is great...don't get me wrong, I truly love hip-hop

But the stuff you're citing was really the opposite of the gang stuff I'm talking about

It was socially conscious, it was liberating and empowering

It was about how it's genuinely hard to have black skin in this world

 

Essentially, I'm talking about the difference between Tribe Called Quest and NWA...

Between Questlove and Sug Knight...between J Dilla and Lil Wayne...

Lol have you ever listened to dilla's raps? Dude is no peacenick. And without NWA there would be no Tribe. QTip says his main inspiration writing the first tribe albums was NWA/Dre.

 

Imo many of the ideas coming out of those early rap records might be offensive to a liberal world view but they are nevertheless honest and artistically valuable.

Yeah that's fair...I guess I'm saying that if you learned J Dilla had gotten into a shoot-out with the cops, You'd probably be surprised...but if you learned that Cheef Keef did, you wouldn't be surprised

 

And there are a subset of people that think it'd be fucking BALLER that their hero got in a shoot-out with the cops..I know many peacenik-y types that listen to ODB without a second thought...and if you buy Plato's argument that art can be a potent propaganda delivery-system for destructive ideas, then this could be worrisome...

Edited September 10, 2016 by LimpyLoo

  On 9/10/2016 at 8:51 PM, keanu reeves said:

 

  On 9/10/2016 at 8:40 PM, StephenG said:

They are an accurate representation of what happens in their world yeah. That's why I appreciate it. 

 

Not so much the new stuff out there, people like kanye spouting about their struggles when they have xxxxx Million USD in the bank.

 

edit: granted I get thats not the "gangster rap" we're talking about. Just saying rappers are often rich as f'ack so some of their shit doesn't come across as genuine.

 

i don't think kanye is talking about struggle in the same terms as "morally conscious" rappers. i'm the last person who wants to defend him but braggadocio and the "troubled millionaire" persona have been part of rap forever. jay z has made an entire career out of a persona that would be psychopathic if it weren't fiction. it's the same as someone writing a book from an assumed point of view. the other people mentioned (nwa, tupac) are documenting whatever reality exists around them. that's the purpose of most gangster rap, it's a cultural insight for people far removed from that lived experience, although it's also heavily colored by fictionalized narratives. tbh i'd rather listen to a murderer document their worldview than a conscious rapper try to preach to me.

 

Well said

Plato was ok with kiddie fiddling

Edited September 10, 2016 by ThatSpanishGuy

  On 9/10/2016 at 8:51 PM, keanu reeves said:

i'd rather listen to a murderer document their worldview than a conscious rapper try to preach to me.

If you lived next door to a serial rapist, would you go hang out with him and listen to his stories about raping people? And then pay him for the honor? I mean hey, it's an actual representation of reality

There's a gay panic murderer that lives in my town...I'll get his contact info for you, and you can pay him to write a sonnet about beating a gay kid to death and then putting his body in a truck and parking it on a train track so it looked like an accident

 

Hey man, it's tough out there and he's just telling it like it is

How is that the same as listening to a Rap record again?

Edited September 10, 2016 by doublename

  On 9/10/2016 at 9:19 PM, doublename said:

How is that the same as listening to a Rap record again?

Look at Keanu's statement I was replying to

  On 9/10/2016 at 8:51 PM, keanu reeves said:

i'd rather listen to a murderer document their worldview than a conscious rapper try to preach to me.

you really are a fucking retard. good luck.

lol, Im keeping my mouth *shut*

Again, feel free to point out how I'm wrong

 

Keanu, if you wanna listen to fucking murderers, then have at it, m9...no-one can force you to acknowledge the harm being done...but don't act like *I* am the amoral asshole here

 

I mean lol at you being outraged at me saying that paying and listening to murders is a bad thing, ffs

By 'petty' I refer to a reason that really doesn't change or impede the quality of the music but stops you from listening to it any how. Music being on Various Artists comps or being untitled (I dislike untitled track albums too!) are petty reasons. A reason that doesn't really have anything to do with the music itself.

 

Disliking certain rap music for being violent and gang related isn't petty, it's completely valid (I don't like that music either), same as not liking metal because it's too loud. Valid reasons. Disliking metal because you're a pogonophobe is a different matter however. Also being afraid of gold jewelry is a petty reason to dislike rap.

 

Pick another reason to dislike music for petty reasons please, Limpy!

Edited September 10, 2016 by Bechuga

is this a gripes with hip hop thread now? ok.

i dislike rap/hip-hop as a whole for the same reason i dislike blob dylan and that whole singer/songrwriter thing. i really don't need people to convey/propagate some irl shit to me accompanied by music, that's not the point of music for me, i don't need music as a vehicle for something. generally speaking musicians are pretty dumb tbh, and are not capable of doing that good of a job of describing complex realities and ideas and stuff.  political music in general is bit an oxymoron really. music can be political by itself as some kind of cultural avant garde, but stuff like "fuck the police" or "fight the power" is just obscene. of course i can ignore all that if the music is good, but there isn't much in hip hop besides lyrics.

  On 9/10/2016 at 10:46 PM, eugene said:

 i really don't need people to convey/propagate some irl shit to me accompanied by music, that's not the point of music for me, i don't need music as a vehicle for something. generally speaking musicians are pretty dumb tbh

I don't know if you're joking, but this is precisely why I gravitated towards electronic music when I was younger. 

 

I just couldn't give two fucks what the people singing were trying to tell and sell to me. 

I think many of the petty reasons to not like certain music are variants of "I don't wanna suddenly die and have people come in to my apartment and find out that I was listening to Phish"

 

Or like you drive by a cute girl and she smiles at you but then notices that you're listening to polka and then she tells all the other cute girls in town about it

 

Edit: @ Bechuga

Edited September 10, 2016 by LimpyLoo

Also not wanting to be associated with, say, Juggalos or Maggots (Slipknot fans).

 

 

  On 9/10/2016 at 10:48 PM, StephenG said:

 

  On 9/10/2016 at 10:46 PM, eugene said:

 i really don't need people to convey/propagate some irl shit to me accompanied by music, that's not the point of music for me, i don't need music as a vehicle for something. generally speaking musicians are pretty dumb tbh

I don't know if you're joking, but this is precisely why I gravitated towards electronic music when I was younger. 

 

I just couldn't give two fucks what the people singing were trying to tell and sell to me. 

 

Agree with all of this

  On 9/10/2016 at 10:51 PM, LimpyLoo said:

I think many of the petty reasons to not like certain music are variants of "I don't wanna suddenly die and have people come in to my apartment and find out that I was listening to Phish"

 

 

 I feel the same but with the band Perfume

Edited September 10, 2016 by Bechuga

...and there's a sex-offender-like database of people who listen to Phish that all the cute girls in the world check daily and if you get placed in that database your dick shrivels up and falls off from atrophy and your genetic lineage dies with you, all because you just HAD to check out that bass solo from "Bathtub Gin > Fluffhead" New Year's Eve '98

I tend to avoid artists with all caps no vowels aliases. SBTRKT, STRFKR... nope

  On 9/10/2016 at 10:46 PM, eugene said:

is this a gripes with hip hop thread now? ok.

i dislike rap/hip-hop as a whole for the same reason i dislike blob dylan and that whole singer/songrwriter thing. i really don't need people to convey/propagate some irl shit to me accompanied by music, that's not the point of music for me, i don't need music as a vehicle for something. generally speaking musicians are pretty dumb tbh, and are not capable of doing that good of a job of describing complex realities and ideas and stuff. political music in general is bit an oxymoron really. music can be political by itself as some kind of cultural avant garde, but stuff like "fuck the police" or "fight the power" is just obscene. of course i can ignore all that if the music is good, but there isn't much in hip hop besides lyrics.

Ridiculous.

 

there is a musicality in the way words are arranged and sung regardless of their meaning. if they happen to mean something to a listener, cool. if not there is still the entire musical performance to experience.

  On 9/10/2016 at 11:21 PM, ThatSpanishGuy said:

I tend to avoid artists with all caps no vowels aliases. SBTRKT, STRFKR... nope

:'(

  On 9/10/2016 at 9:16 PM, LimpyLoo said:

There's a gay panic murderer that lives in my town...I'll get his contact info for you, and you can pay him to write a sonnet about beating a gay kid to death and then putting his body in a truck and parking it on a train track so it looked like an accident

 

Hey man, it's tough out there and he's just telling it like it is

Does the dude make good music? ;)

 

Serious question tho..What if he made kick ass idmz or something would you listen then? Is it the artist doing things you find moraly reprehensible that is the problem or just if they sing/rap about it?

  On 9/10/2016 at 11:22 PM, Alcofribas said:

 

  On 9/10/2016 at 10:46 PM, eugene said:

is this a gripes with hip hop thread now? ok.

i dislike rap/hip-hop as a whole for the same reason i dislike blob dylan and that whole singer/songrwriter thing. i really don't need people to convey/propagate some irl shit to me accompanied by music, that's not the point of music for me, i don't need music as a vehicle for something. generally speaking musicians are pretty dumb tbh, and are not capable of doing that good of a job of describing complex realities and ideas and stuff. political music in general is bit an oxymoron really. music can be political by itself as some kind of cultural avant garde, but stuff like "fuck the police" or "fight the power" is just obscene. of course i can ignore all that if the music is good, but there isn't much in hip hop besides lyrics.

Ridiculous.

 

there is a musicality in the way words are arranged and sung regardless of their meaning. if they happen to mean something to a listener, cool. if not there is still the entire musical performance to experience.

 

doesn't seem like it's what hip hop is mainly judged for really. would classic hip hoppers get the recognition and importance if it wasn't for their lyrics?

i know what you're talking about though, there's even a proper academic name for that style of writing (that i can't recall now) where you write lyrics FOR music, and obviously the phonetic and rhythmic element and vocal performance is at play there, my favorite russian band auktyon writes like that. you can pretty much interchange words  and phrases as long as rhythmically it retains the drive, the meanings are not important. it really doesn't seems like it's the same deal with hip hop and what it goes for.

 

 

 

  On 9/9/2016 at 8:54 PM, MIXL2 said:

im of the opinion that you like what you listen to, not what you like.. listen to only schalger for a month and you will end up liking it

just wanted to repost this since, in my experience I have always managed to get into new genres like this (from being a trance only - song hating brat into harsh noise to gospel and all in between)

  On 9/10/2016 at 11:57 PM, eugene said:

 

  On 9/10/2016 at 11:22 PM, Alcofribas said:

 

  On 9/10/2016 at 10:46 PM, eugene said:

is this a gripes with hip hop thread now? ok.

i dislike rap/hip-hop as a whole for the same reason i dislike blob dylan and that whole singer/songrwriter thing. i really don't need people to convey/propagate some irl shit to me accompanied by music, that's not the point of music for me, i don't need music as a vehicle for something. generally speaking musicians are pretty dumb tbh, and are not capable of doing that good of a job of describing complex realities and ideas and stuff. political music in general is bit an oxymoron really. music can be political by itself as some kind of cultural avant garde, but stuff like "fuck the police" or "fight the power" is just obscene. of course i can ignore all that if the music is good, but there isn't much in hip hop besides lyrics.

Ridiculous.

 

there is a musicality in the way words are arranged and sung regardless of their meaning. if they happen to mean something to a listener, cool. if not there is still the entire musical performance to experience.

doesn't seem like it's what hip hop is mainly judged for really. would classic hip hoppers get the recognition and importance if it wasn't for their lyrics?

i know what you're talking about though, there's even a proper academic name for that style of writing (that i can't recall now) where you write lyrics FOR music, and obviously the phonetic and rhythmic element and vocal performance is at play there, my favorite russian band auktyon writes like that. you can pretty much interchange words and phrases as long as rhythmically it retains the drive, the meanings are not important. it really doesn't seems like it's the same deal with hip hop and what it goes for.

Scansion?