Guest Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 On 10/4/2016 at 10:48 PM, Braintree said: dblue glitch holy fuck blast from the past! Still remember clearly the day I found out. This was step 2 of devaluation of Squarepusher for me. Step 1 was finding out about the fucking Amen break. Pretty sure at the time IDM was ded already? Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/91683-why-idm-died/page/2/#findComment-2487614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisbot Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 What is IDM anyway? I haven't figured out what it is. It isn't a specific sound, that's for sure. These days it's real analord-ish, but it used to be kinda breatbeat-y? How in the world does the same genre change entirely.This is obviously a very serious conundrum. One to shake the ages. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/91683-why-idm-died/page/2/#findComment-2487616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
koolkeyZ865 Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 (edited) On 10/5/2016 at 1:23 AM, Brisbot said: What is IDM anyway? I haven't figured out what it is. It isn't a specific sound, that's for sure. These days it's real analord-ish, but it used to be kinda breatbeat-y? How in the world does the same genre change entirely. This is obviously a very serious conundrum. One to shake the ages. Maybe IDM doesn't exist. Maybe genres don't exist. Maybe music doesn't exist. Maybe you don't exist. EDIT: Or maybe IDM is the human experience under the guise of a musical genre. Think about how much humans have changed, we used to be hunters and gatherers who created civilization and technology to CHANGE.IDM had the same history of CHANGE Edited October 5, 2016 by clarktrent Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide koolkeyZ865's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/91683-why-idm-died/page/2/#findComment-2487631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisbot Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 Quote Maybe IDM doesn't exist. Maybe genres don't exist. Maybe music doesn't exist. Maybe you don't exist. Existing doesn't exist! Which makes everything you said true, but overstatements. We made IDM up in the same way atoms made us up. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/91683-why-idm-died/page/2/#findComment-2487633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braintree Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 On 10/5/2016 at 1:19 AM, phling said: On 10/4/2016 at 10:48 PM, Braintree said: dblue glitch holy fuck blast from the past! Still remember clearly the day I found out. This was step 2 of devaluation of Squarepusher for me. Step 1 was finding out about the fucking Amen break. Pretty sure at the time IDM was ded already? I loved edIT's 'Crying Over Pros For No Reason' until I spent like five minutes with dBlue Glitch. I had spent like two years developing techniques to hand edit shit to have that glitched out sound only to find that he used a fucking plugin for the entire album. FUCK. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Braintree's signature Hide all signatures colindyer.bandcamp.com williamsbraintree.bandcamp.com Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/91683-why-idm-died/page/2/#findComment-2487639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingformung Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 intelligent music is very intelligent Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide dingformung's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/91683-why-idm-died/page/2/#findComment-2487640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
usagi Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 (edited) On 10/5/2016 at 2:08 AM, Braintree said: On 10/5/2016 at 1:19 AM, phling said: On 10/4/2016 at 10:48 PM, Braintree said: dblue glitch holy fuck blast from the past! Still remember clearly the day I found out. This was step 2 of devaluation of Squarepusher for me. Step 1 was finding out about the fucking Amen break. Pretty sure at the time IDM was ded already? I loved edIT's 'Crying Over Pros For No Reason' until I spent like five minutes with dBlue Glitch. I had spent like two years developing techniques to hand edit shit to have that glitched out sound only to find that he used a fucking plugin for the entire album. FUCK. Tom never used that shit though. I'm listening to Go Plastic right now btw. still mad genius-level work, and all done painstakingly and with creative vision before plugins allowed you to mass produce the same kind of sound. man, how good is that little hiphop interlude in Go Spastic before it takes off again... I think that might be my favourite SQP track. edit: also he does more nuanced mixing up of melodic elements with percussive elements that I'm not sure you can do with plugins still Edited October 5, 2016 by usagi Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide usagi's signature Hide all signatures On 4/17/2013 at 2:45 PM, Alcofribas said: afaik i usually place all my cum drops on scientifically sterilized glass slides which are carefully frozen and placed in trash cans throughout the city labelled "for women alco" with my social security and phone numbers. Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/91683-why-idm-died/page/2/#findComment-2487659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klopjob Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 Everyone started labelling their noise music as IDM. That's why it died. Therefore, IDM just got noiser, and noisier... and now everyone's swarmed in noise and weird artwork - reminiscing back to 2001. ..and whoever come up with the term "electronic listening music", you're a dork. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/91683-why-idm-died/page/2/#findComment-2487660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingformung Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 At the end it's not about how it's made but how it sounds, maybe But maybe the whole concept of music is complete bullshit. I mean - come one - it's just sounds, what's so great about it? still love it though Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide dingformung's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/91683-why-idm-died/page/2/#findComment-2487662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewps Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 On 10/5/2016 at 4:33 AM, clevreuse said: ..and whoever come up with the term "electronic listening music", you're a dork. anticipating IDM to rise from the ashes as ELM. Less rocket thrusters and math equations, more tobacco pipes and buzzfeed articles on existentialism. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Lewps's signature Hide all signatures My Paintings ► @limitless.magnificence @Lewnis95 ☼ Buy Prints Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/91683-why-idm-died/page/2/#findComment-2487670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweepstakes Posted October 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 I'm kind of grateful for dBlue glitch because it made what was most obvious and annoying about mid-aughties IDM so accessible that it killed that aspect dead, and it killed the worst kind of IDM with it. Unfortunately it seems like it killed any momentum IDM in general had too. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/91683-why-idm-died/page/2/#findComment-2487672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
melancholera Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 Where was there to go after Drukqs? A million hi-hat hits does not a great track make. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/91683-why-idm-died/page/2/#findComment-2487682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisbot Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 I wish everyone just transitioned over into calling it 'Braindance'. A more creative term, and less 'condescending' for those who don't like it because of that. My biggest 'gripe'... really my only one, is how bland and non-descriptive 'Intelligent Dance Music' is. At least EDM is more descriptive. EDM would be more descriptive for IDM actually. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/91683-why-idm-died/page/2/#findComment-2487691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entorwellian Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 (edited) dBlue glitch is definitely a factor. It was insanely popular and cloned, but the tape-pitchbend and reverse effects from that vst stick out very painfully in other people's tracks. Even aphex's. I ended up making a clone of it in Max about 5 years ago for that reason. i think moreso that it was an anarchaic period where the personal home computer was starting to enter everybody's homes and lots of people who were not into synthesizers or music programming had all sorts of quirky alternatives to making music easier than a professional would have to and with little or no knowledge. Same thing can be said for hip hop and tape machines/samplers vs. being able to afford real instruments to express yourself. After that died down and non-autistic people moved in and wanted to start making money off of things then did IDM die. tl;dr version - normal people co-opted autism and failed at it. Edited October 5, 2016 by Entorwellian Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Entorwellian's signature Hide all signatures When A Heron Turns BlackNorthern Flicker Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/91683-why-idm-died/page/2/#findComment-2487709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klopjob Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 On 10/5/2016 at 7:58 AM, Brisbot said: I wish everyone just transitioned over into calling it 'Braindance'. A more creative term, and less 'condescending' for those who don't like it because of that. My biggest 'gripe'... really my only one, is how bland and non-descriptive 'Intelligent Dance Music' is. At least EDM is more descriptive. EDM would be more descriptive for IDM actually. Yep, braindance is a lot closer now to what IDM started off as (imo) and it hasn't got very noisy yet. We can just keep coming up with new genres as they get ruined geniuswave, PHD-step, smartdrone and cleverdub etc.. < just invented all of these lawsuits imminent Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/91683-why-idm-died/page/2/#findComment-2487751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hello spiral Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 Braindance lol Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide hello spiral's signature Hide all signatures https://salaamhelicoid.bandcamp.com/ Reveal hidden contents Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/91683-why-idm-died/page/2/#findComment-2487754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisbot Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 (edited) Quote geniuswave, PHD-step, smartdrone and cleverdub etc.. That's a... clever use... of words there. *accidentally kills thread* Btw, I have no clue what the difference between Braindance and IDM is. I am under the impression they're the same thing. Quote Braindance lol In your case Braindunce. Edited October 5, 2016 by Brisbot Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/91683-why-idm-died/page/2/#findComment-2487756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisbot Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 lol Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/91683-why-idm-died/page/2/#findComment-2487762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hello spiral Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 ;^) Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide hello spiral's signature Hide all signatures https://salaamhelicoid.bandcamp.com/ Reveal hidden contents Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/91683-why-idm-died/page/2/#findComment-2487763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xeQYcJWNBz Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 ;^)8===D Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/91683-why-idm-died/page/2/#findComment-2487768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisbot Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 ˙ ͜ʟ˙ Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/91683-why-idm-died/page/2/#findComment-2487770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychotronic Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 (edited) IDM is undead. \(o.O)/ Edited October 5, 2016 by Psychotronic Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Psychotronic's signature Hide all signatures (シ)// Reject all ambition to center yourself and find intuition. >> Bandcamp | Homepage | electronicattack.de | Newest shizzle Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/91683-why-idm-died/page/2/#findComment-2487778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisbot Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 Looks liek itz tiem 2 kill some IDM then̿̿ ̿̿ ̿̿ ̿'̿'\̵͇̿̿\з= ( ▀ ͜͞ʖ▀) =ε/̵͇̿̿/’̿’̿ ̿ ̿̿ ̿̿ ̿̿I totally made that after 1 hour of work (by Rianna). Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/91683-why-idm-died/page/2/#findComment-2487788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychotronic Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 You could start slayin straying IDMz in YLC. I saw some in there i think, but otherwise it's really dead lately. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Psychotronic's signature Hide all signatures (シ)// Reject all ambition to center yourself and find intuition. >> Bandcamp | Homepage | electronicattack.de | Newest shizzle Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/91683-why-idm-died/page/2/#findComment-2487806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingformung Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 Yeah, "IDM" sounds stupid. Why not "Electronica"? Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide dingformung's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/91683-why-idm-died/page/2/#findComment-2487807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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