Now That Trump's President... (not any more!)

Deal, and can we go back to calling the 'alt-right' insufferable manbaby pricks?

Look at my virtue every1

yea, but then can we also call the 'alt-left' spinelles soyboy cucks?

so much virtue in this thread

Trump to Name Supreme Court Nominee at 9 p.m. EDT

What's the alt-left?

  On 7/9/2018 at 11:42 PM, Amen Warrior said:

What's the alt-left?

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1071808989542507

I think the only time I've ever heard the term alt-left was from Trumps mouth, after that alt-right guy drove a car into a crowd of innocent people...

"alt-left" lol

I don't know what label the radicals on the left use.. democratic socialists? iunno, nwae.. the point was is a great method to scream names at each other and make baby balloons of the people we dislike to solve issues and strive together towards peace

but there are good reasons to dislike nationalists, racists and climate change deniers because they actually harm people (and plants and animals)

just kill people before they can start talking to you about politics

  On 7/10/2018 at 12:38 AM, darreichungsform said:

but there are good reasons to dislike nationalists, racists and climate change deniers because they actually harm people (and plants and animals)

yea, communism has never harmed anyone 

  On 7/10/2018 at 12:42 AM, MIXL2 said:

 

  On 7/10/2018 at 12:38 AM, darreichungsform said:

but there are good reasons to dislike nationalists, racists and climate change deniers because they actually harm people (and plants and animals)

yea, communism has never harmed anyone 

 

"but we've never had full communism"

  On 7/10/2018 at 12:44 AM, ignatius said:

 

  On 7/10/2018 at 12:42 AM, MIXL2 said:

 

  On 7/10/2018 at 12:38 AM, darreichungsform said:

but there are good reasons to dislike nationalists, racists and climate change deniers because they actually harm people (and plants and animals)

yea, communism has never harmed anyone 

 

 

 

"but we've never had full communism"

 

have any of you heard what's going on in nicaragua? if not check it out, it's great and then ask how come you haven't heard about it 

edit: and why instead of protesting true tirany and injustice people dedicate themselves to protest governments that are doing infinitely better in every front comparatively and historically

  On 7/10/2018 at 12:44 AM, ignatius said:

 

  On 7/10/2018 at 12:42 AM, MIXL2 said:

 

  On 7/10/2018 at 12:38 AM, darreichungsform said:

but there are good reasons to dislike nationalists, racists and climate change deniers because they actually harm people (and plants and animals)

yea, communism has never harmed anyone 

 

 

 

"but we've never had full communism"

 

 Dunno, I think countries that declared themselves communist like the Soviet Union or modern China are very far from being communist or even socialist in the sense thinkers like Marx thought about it, it's more of a selfcongratulatory euphemistic label they give themselves to hide the deeply authoritarian nature of these systems. But what does that have to do with the alt-right? It's a bit silly to think nationalists, white supremacists and climate deniers aren't that bad because there were other political forces that are really bad too

  On 7/10/2018 at 12:54 AM, darreichungsform said:

 

  On 7/10/2018 at 12:44 AM, ignatius said:

 

  On 7/10/2018 at 12:42 AM, MIXL2 said:

 

  On 7/10/2018 at 12:38 AM, darreichungsform said:

but there are good reasons to dislike nationalists, racists and climate change deniers because they actually harm people (and plants and animals)

yea, communism has never harmed anyone 

 

 

 

"but we've never had full communism"

 

 Dunno, I think countries that declared themselves communist like the Soviet Union or modern China are very far from being communist or even socialist in the sense thinkers like Marx thought about it, it's more of a selfcongratulatory euphemistic label they give themselves to hide the deeply authoritarian nature of these systems. But what does that have to do with the alt-right? It's a bit silly to think nationalists, white supremacists and climate deniers aren't that bad because there were other political forces that are really bad too

 

that's not the point, the point is if you're going to be against radical thinking you dont get to be against it in only one front

its also irrelevant if true communism/socialism ever has existed. whenever a leader has promised to bring about said utopias nothing but starvation and death has ensured 

  On 7/10/2018 at 1:00 AM, MIXL2 said:

 

  On 7/10/2018 at 12:54 AM, darreichungsform said:

 

  On 7/10/2018 at 12:44 AM, ignatius said:

 

  On 7/10/2018 at 12:42 AM, MIXL2 said:

 

  On 7/10/2018 at 12:38 AM, darreichungsform said:

but there are good reasons to dislike nationalists, racists and climate change deniers because they actually harm people (and plants and animals)

yea, communism has never harmed anyone 

 

 

 

"but we've never had full communism"

 

 Dunno, I think countries that declared themselves communist like the Soviet Union or modern China are very far from being communist or even socialist in the sense thinkers like Marx thought about it, it's more of a selfcongratulatory euphemistic label they give themselves to hide the deeply authoritarian nature of these systems. But what does that have to do with the alt-right? It's a bit silly to think nationalists, white supremacists and climate deniers aren't that bad because there were other political forces that are really bad too

 

that's not the point, the point is if you're going to be against radical thinking you dont get to be against it in only one front

 

its also irrelevant if true communism/socialism ever has existed. whenever a leader has promised to bring about said utopias nothing but starvation and death has ensured 

 

You are talking about the Horseshoe theory which is simplifying but I see what you are on about. Though bringing up the crimes of so called socialist leaders of the past in a discussion about the modern alt-right comes across as whataboutism. It's okay to call people like Trump what they are.

As for radical thinking. I think being radical isn't automatically a bad thing. Some great achievements of our time like voting right for women were unthinkable and very radical thoughts a few decades ago but that doesn't make it wrong. Different topics require different kinds of thinking.

  On 7/10/2018 at 1:16 AM, darreichungsform said:

 

  On 7/10/2018 at 1:00 AM, MIXL2 said:

 

  On 7/10/2018 at 12:54 AM, darreichungsform said:

 

  On 7/10/2018 at 12:44 AM, ignatius said:

 

  On 7/10/2018 at 12:42 AM, MIXL2 said:

 

  On 7/10/2018 at 12:38 AM, darreichungsform said:

but there are good reasons to dislike nationalists, racists and climate change deniers because they actually harm people (and plants and animals)

yea, communism has never harmed anyone 

 

 

 

"but we've never had full communism"

 

 Dunno, I think countries that declared themselves communist like the Soviet Union or modern China are very far from being communist or even socialist in the sense thinkers like Marx thought about it, it's more of a selfcongratulatory euphemistic label they give themselves to hide the deeply authoritarian nature of these systems. But what does that have to do with the alt-right? It's a bit silly to think nationalists, white supremacists and climate deniers aren't that bad because there were other political forces that are really bad too

 

that's not the point, the point is if you're going to be against radical thinking you dont get to be against it in only one front

 

its also irrelevant if true communism/socialism ever has existed. whenever a leader has promised to bring about said utopias nothing but starvation and death has ensured 

 

You are talking about the Horseshoe theory which is simplifying but I see what you are on about. Though bringing up the crimes of so called socialist leaders of the past in a discussion about the modern alt-right comes across as whataboutism. It's okay to call people like Trump what they are.

As for radical thinking. I think being radical isn't automatically a bad thing. Some great achievements of our time like voting right for women were unthinkable and very radical thoughts a few decades ago but that doesn't make it wrong. Different topics require different kinds of thinking.

 

Is not the horseshoe theory so much as what has been proven to lead to catastrophe historically

you're right about radical thinking, I don't know what the correct term would be for "ideas that have historically been proven to be murderously pathological" is

I see how my position could be read as whataboutism, what I have been pushing generally is to prevent one sided critique.. 

edit: I also dont see how calling trump an incompetent clown, altough true (be it in a idm forum or very loudly with lots of baloons) really solves anything.. 

as in: would b better to demolish whatever ridiculous positions people disagree with using dialogue 

  On 7/10/2018 at 1:32 AM, MIXL2 said:

 

  On 7/10/2018 at 1:16 AM, darreichungsform said:

 

  On 7/10/2018 at 1:00 AM, MIXL2 said:

 

  On 7/10/2018 at 12:54 AM, darreichungsform said:

 

  On 7/10/2018 at 12:44 AM, ignatius said:

 

  On 7/10/2018 at 12:42 AM, MIXL2 said:

 

  On 7/10/2018 at 12:38 AM, darreichungsform said:

but there are good reasons to dislike nationalists, racists and climate change deniers because they actually harm people (and plants and animals)

yea, communism has never harmed anyone 

 

 

 

"but we've never had full communism"

 

 Dunno, I think countries that declared themselves communist like the Soviet Union or modern China are very far from being communist or even socialist in the sense thinkers like Marx thought about it, it's more of a selfcongratulatory euphemistic label they give themselves to hide the deeply authoritarian nature of these systems. But what does that have to do with the alt-right? It's a bit silly to think nationalists, white supremacists and climate deniers aren't that bad because there were other political forces that are really bad too

 

that's not the point, the point is if you're going to be against radical thinking you dont get to be against it in only one front

 

its also irrelevant if true communism/socialism ever has existed. whenever a leader has promised to bring about said utopias nothing but starvation and death has ensured 

 

You are talking about the Horseshoe theory which is simplifying but I see what you are on about. Though bringing up the crimes of so called socialist leaders of the past in a discussion about the modern alt-right comes across as whataboutism. It's okay to call people like Trump what they are.

As for radical thinking. I think being radical isn't automatically a bad thing. Some great achievements of our time like voting right for women were unthinkable and very radical thoughts a few decades ago but that doesn't make it wrong. Different topics require different kinds of thinking.

 

Is not the horseshoe theory so much as what has been proven to lead to catastrophe historically

 

you're right about radical thinking, I don't know what the correct term would be for "ideas that have historically been proven to be murderously pathological" is

 

I see how my position could be read as whataboutism, what I have been pushing generally is to prevent one sided critique.. 

 

edit: I also dont see how calling trump an incompetent clown, altough true (be it in a idm forum or very loudly with lots of baloons) really solves anything.. 

 

I think pointing the finger at the way certain political forces manipulate people for the interest of a small group of egocentrics that don't care about common good is never wrong

see edit

I was mostly responding to edit

the 2nd edit xD

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as in: would b better to demolish whatever ridiculous positions people disagree with using

dialogue

Isn't addressing issues part of dialogue?

yes but just calling people adjectives and ending it at that feels pointless to me

Communism was great, apart from the millions of people that died due to it going fucking fantastically wrong. Full communism? HA!!!

The issue with any idealist form of government is that it doesn't take human nature into account, and forgets to build in fail safes.

Like ooooh I don't now, what if the people in charge decide to use the power for their own ends... hmmmmm

nwae could someone post the latest dumbshit trump has done to get this thread back on track