Now That Trump's President... (not any more!)

  On 1/8/2019 at 4:41 AM, azatoth said:

 

  On 1/7/2019 at 4:01 AM, ambermonk said:

Needless to say the federal government is rife with both corruption and dysfunction, but at the same time I'll admit that it's preferable to none, i.e. anarchy.

 

Anarchy is such a misunderstood term. Anarchy does not mean lawlessness or chaos, it simply means leaderless, non-hierarchical.

  On 1/8/2019 at 4:41 AM, azatoth said:

 

  On 1/7/2019 at 4:01 AM, ambermonk said:

Needless to say the federal government is rife with both corruption and dysfunction, but at the same time I'll admit that it's preferable to none, i.e. anarchy.

 

Anarchy is such a misunderstood term. Anarchy does not mean lawlessness or chaos, it simply means leaderless, non-hierarchical.

 

Anarchy works well for small societies. When you have nation states as an organizational basis for a society, then a greater degree of organization is required, and with that comes corresponding hierarchies, as resources (human and natural) need to be prioritized. This is not to say that the current system (nation state) is the best or right one, but simply that organization on this scale will require some sort of governance with resulting structures.

  On 1/8/2019 at 4:43 PM, chenGOD said:

 

  On 1/8/2019 at 4:41 AM, azatoth said:

 

  On 1/7/2019 at 4:01 AM, ambermonk said:

Needless to say the federal government is rife with both corruption and dysfunction, but at the same time I'll admit that it's preferable to none, i.e. anarchy.

 

Anarchy is such a misunderstood term. Anarchy does not mean lawlessness or chaos, it simply means leaderless, non-hierarchical.

 

Anarchy works well for small societies. When you have nation states as an organizational basis for a society, then a greater degree of organization is required, and with that comes corresponding hierarchies, as resources (human and natural) need to be prioritized. This is not to say that the current system (nation state) is the best or right one, but simply that organization on this scale will require some sort of governance with resulting structures.

 

I feel like this applies to libertarianism as well. When it comes to that ideology I'll gladly hear out someone rambling about it's merits if they live out in vast, rural land, off the grid, and at best near a town of a few hundred folks. 

we don't need to go into this in this thread please

such smartypants

much political hypercube

  On 1/8/2019 at 5:38 PM, joshuatx said:

 

  On 1/8/2019 at 4:43 PM, chenGOD said:

 

  On 1/8/2019 at 4:41 AM, azatoth said:

 

  On 1/7/2019 at 4:01 AM, ambermonk said:

Needless to say the federal government is rife with both corruption and dysfunction, but at the same time I'll admit that it's preferable to none, i.e. anarchy.

 

Anarchy is such a misunderstood term. Anarchy does not mean lawlessness or chaos, it simply means leaderless, non-hierarchical.

 

Anarchy works well for small societies. When you have nation states as an organizational basis for a society, then a greater degree of organization is required, and with that comes corresponding hierarchies, as resources (human and natural) need to be prioritized. This is not to say that the current system (nation state) is the best or right one, but simply that organization on this scale will require some sort of governance with resulting structures.

 

 

I feel like this applies to libertarianism as well. When it comes to that ideology I'll gladly hear out someone rambling about it's merits if they live out in vast, rural land, off the grid, and at best near a town of a few hundred folks. 

 

This is perhaps the best IRL example I can think of:

But I digress. Page break, back to discussing the Swamp Trump presidency, etc.

  On 1/8/2019 at 5:41 PM, Salvatorin said:

we don't need to go into this in this thread please

Look at the dictator over here.

I mean, essentially you have a state of anarchy at the federal level right now, thanks to the actions of orange-man. So I think it's a pretty valid topic for discussion - will this shutdown, if it lasts for an extended period of time, potentially lead to states seceding from the US? California might want to become its own political entity - that would be a huge loss for the US. Would there be renewed interest in the creation of Cascadia?

And, what will the resulting governance structures look like as result of Trump's malfeasance? Will some newly formed states turn to anarchy as a governing principle?

Smartypants everywhere...

(too lazy to create meme)

it's not a state of anarchy. it's federally-funded services deemed 'non-essential' temporarily closed and their employees put on furlough. As for Cascadia, there are still people interested in the original bioregionalist/communalist project but white nationalists have tried to co-opt it.

  On 1/8/2019 at 7:23 PM, chenGOD said:

 

  On 1/8/2019 at 5:41 PM, Salvatorin said:

we don't need to go into this in this thread please

 

 

Look at the dictator over here.

 

I mean, essentially you have a state of anarchy at the federal level right now, thanks to the actions of orange-man. So I think it's a pretty valid topic for discussion - will this shutdown, if it lasts for an extended period of time, potentially lead to states seceding from the US? California might want to become its own political entity - that would be a huge loss for the US. Would there be renewed interest in the creation of Cascadia?

 

And, what will the resulting governance structures look like as result of Trump's malfeasance? Will some newly formed states turn to anarchy as a governing principle?

lol

  On 1/8/2019 at 7:37 PM, Salvatorin said:

it's not a state of anarchy. it's federally-funded services deemed 'non-essential' temporarily closed and their employees put on furlough. As for Cascadia, there are still people interested in the original bioregionalist/communalist project but white nationalists have tried to co-opt it.

Look at all the services and employees out of work:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/heres-what-shuts-down-in-a-government-shutdown/

Imagine IRS is still shut down come tax time - that's gonna be fun fun fun. Libertarians will love it of course.

I'd be all for Cascadia, as long as you knock out all the guns. And bring in California.

Tune in tonight folks to see what the Cheeto colored man will publicly denounce next.

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By midnight on Monday, CBS, along with NBC, ABC, CNN, PBS, C-SPAN, Fox News, Fox Business Network and Telemundo had indicated they would air Trump’s speech, which is expected to run for eight minutes.

Eight minutes? He'll barely be able to get past hello in that time frame. Haven't they seen a trump rally? He needs at least 80-90 minutes to ramble on, shit on everything, and sell his snake oil to the MAGA masses...

It's a fun move of general secretary Xi to shake hands with Kim Jong-un only to make Trump feeling that his foolish foreign policies lead to the exact opposite of what he wants. But in reality the world would be better off if all three of them would be publicly executed and their innards being fed to the pigs and Theresa May

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To understand the true illegality of this, internal polling data is property of the Campaign. Every donor to the campaign financed this thing of value to assist the campaign in legal avenues.

What they actually ended up funding is a foreign government's intelligence operation to collate U.S. citizen's data for a foreign country to weaponize. This isn't not financing a hush- money payment to a porn star campaign finance violation. This is stealing from the campaign to generate espionage material for a foreign state.

 

via reddit

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WASHINGTON — Paul Manafort shared Trump campaign polling data with an associate tied to Russian intelligence during the 2016 campaign, prosecutors alleged, according to a court filing unsealed on Tuesday.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/08/us/politics/manafort-trump-campaign-data-kilimnik.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

can you say.. collusion... because that's collusion.  

But only the best collusion! He has only the best colluders working with him.

dig in 

he espeaka to yu because there is a growing yumanitiarian crisis, yes.

could have fooled me. if i watched fox news i might believe it!

Rosenstein leaving DOJ

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2019/jan/09/rod-rosenstein-donald-trump-latest-news-live

Help me spread the good word

he's gotta be on some kind of amphetamine. the way he inflates and deflates like that.

The master negotiator tried to win over the dems by using the same tactics a babysitter uses to win over toddlers...by bribing them with candy

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Trump was in a chummy mood when he entered the Situation Room, according to a source familiar with how things unfolded. The President passed out candy to attendees -- Butterfinger and Baby Ruth bars as well as M&M's.

If only Pelosi was Sloth from the Goonies, then this would all be over!

  On 1/10/2019 at 1:50 AM, zero said:

The master negotiator tried to win over the dems by using the same tactics a babysitter uses to win over toddlers...by bribing them with candy

 

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Trump was in a chummy mood when he entered the Situation Room, according to a source familiar with how things unfolded. The President passed out candy to attendees -- Butterfinger and Baby Ruth bars as well as M&M's.

 

If only Pelosi was Sloth from the Goonies, then this would all be over!

we'd all be living in Chunk's house forever part of the family... 

  On 1/10/2019 at 1:50 AM, zero said:

The master negotiator tried to win over the dems by using the same tactics a babysitter uses to win over toddlers...

 

trump is negotiating like the child. he may have finally tripped himself up good, politically.

*hears self say that*