Guest Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 On 10/4/2017 at 3:18 AM, Lada Laika said: On 10/4/2017 at 2:48 AM, ganus said: On 9/28/2017 at 4:46 AM, Lada Laika said: Houston put on some crazy rad IDM after parties featuring locals during DFN last year. On 9/28/2017 at 4:14 AM, Bulk VanderHooj said: San Fran, Seattle, LA come to mind?Seattle is more house-y lately (and we have a bit of a footwork movement that's in its infancy) but there would definitely be interest. footwork scene in Seattle? I've seen folks wearing Teklife gear at shows, but have heard very little footwork there except from Chicago folks on tour. I dance at shows, and I do footwork for most of the night if the rhythm & tempo is right, but I have only ever seen one or two others...More info pls, very interested. PM me? Like I said, it's in its infancy, but Mokedo and Kremwerk/Timbre Room have been hosting more and more out-of-town footwork headliners with local nobodies who outshine the main act. I'm hoping it breaks out in the next year or two, as it's still overshadowed by their more rave-y EDM/house shows, but there's been very healthy turnouts so far. (Foodman and Jlin being the highlights, again supported by locals who got the crowd moving more than I've seen at any Seattle shows in a while.) I missed the DJ Orange Julius show but I heard it was insane Nice! I gotta get on the Kremwork mailing list. I wanna try to get to more of these shows. By all means, PM me if you find out about any good seattle footwork bandcamps. Or shows. No pressure tho.I would love to get into DJing footwork, I'm a huge fan of the genre. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/94004-idm-in-america-in-2017-any-cities-with-active-scenes/page/2/#findComment-2581226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lada Laika Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 On 10/4/2017 at 6:02 AM, ganus said: On 10/4/2017 at 3:18 AM, Lada Laika said: On 10/4/2017 at 2:48 AM, ganus said: On 9/28/2017 at 4:46 AM, Lada Laika said: Houston put on some crazy rad IDM after parties featuring locals during DFN last year. On 9/28/2017 at 4:14 AM, Bulk VanderHooj said: San Fran, Seattle, LA come to mind?Seattle is more house-y lately (and we have a bit of a footwork movement that's in its infancy) but there would definitely be interest.footwork scene in Seattle? I've seen folks wearing Teklife gear at shows, but have heard very little footwork there except from Chicago folks on tour. I dance at shows, and I do footwork for most of the night if the rhythm & tempo is right, but I have only ever seen one or two others...More info pls, very interested. PM me? Like I said, it's in its infancy, but Mokedo and Kremwerk/Timbre Room have been hosting more and more out-of-town footwork headliners with local nobodies who outshine the main act. I'm hoping it breaks out in the next year or two, as it's still overshadowed by their more rave-y EDM/house shows, but there's been very healthy turnouts so far. (Foodman and Jlin being the highlights, again supported by locals who got the crowd moving more than I've seen at any Seattle shows in a while.)I missed the DJ Orange Julius show but I heard it was insane Nice! I gotta get on the Kremwork mailing list. I wanna try to get to more of these shows. By all means, PM me if you find out about any good seattle footwork bandcamps. Or shows. No pressure tho.I would love to get into DJing footwork, I'm a huge fan of the genre. word, will do! I'm on the Kremwerk/Timbre mailing list and get Mokedo news in my fb feed, so I'll let you know if I hear of anything - that's how I heard about the Foodman/DJ Fultono show, which was a blast. can't remember the openers, lots of these kids just play shows at the moment because they live on their friend's couches/in warehouses with like 15 other people, so social media is a stopping point. there was literally a show at the abandoned Lusty Lady location a few months ago that I only heard about because I walked by and someone had hung up a QFC bag on the door and written the show details in sharpie lol Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Lada Laika's signature Hide all signatures https://blacklivesmatters.carrd.co/ Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/94004-idm-in-america-in-2017-any-cities-with-active-scenes/page/2/#findComment-2581229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braintree Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 On 10/4/2017 at 4:29 AM, bossman said: sf had a scene 10-15 yrs ago with tb6 lot, then gentlemens techno nights/eatstapes, then oakland warehouses.. I moved away in 2013 so not sure what's going on now We've been doing stuff like this: https://www.facebook.com/events/125955334701282/?acontext=%7B%22action_history%22%3A[%7B%22surface%22%3A%22dashboard%22%2C%22mechanism%22%3A%22calendar_tab_event%22%2C%22extra_data%22%3A%22%7B%5C%22dashboard_filter%5C%22%3A%5C%22calendar%5C%22%7D%22%7D]%2C%22ref%22%3A2%2C%22source%22%3A2%7D And this: https://www.facebook.com/events/1635601633180404/?acontext=%7B%22action_history%22%3A[%7B%22surface%22%3A%22dashboard%22%2C%22mechanism%22%3A%22calendar_tab_event%22%2C%22extra_data%22%3A%22[]%22%7D]%2C%22ref%22%3A1%2C%22source%22%3A2%7D Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Braintree's signature Hide all signatures colindyer.bandcamp.com williamsbraintree.bandcamp.com Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/94004-idm-in-america-in-2017-any-cities-with-active-scenes/page/2/#findComment-2581356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossman Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 On 10/4/2017 at 10:40 PM, Braintree said: On 10/4/2017 at 4:29 AM, bossman said: sf had a scene 10-15 yrs ago with tb6 lot, then gentlemens techno nights/eatstapes, then oakland warehouses.. I moved away in 2013 so not sure what's going on now We've been doing stuff like this: https://www.facebook.com/events/125955334701282/?acontext=%7B%22action_history%22%3A[%7B%22surface%22%3A%22dashboard%22%2C%22mechanism%22%3A%22calendar_tab_event%22%2C%22extra_data%22%3A%22%7B%5C%22dashboard_filter%5C%22%3A%5C%22calendar%5C%22%7D%22%7D]%2C%22ref%22%3A2%2C%22source%22%3A2%7D And this: https://www.facebook.com/events/1635601633180404/?acontext=%7B%22action_history%22%3A[%7B%22surface%22%3A%22dashboard%22%2C%22mechanism%22%3A%22calendar_tab_event%22%2C%22extra_data%22%3A%22[]%22%7D]%2C%22ref%22%3A1%2C%22source%22%3A2%7D right on, I'll have to make it out ..related= https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGPWuIjD-fw Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/94004-idm-in-america-in-2017-any-cities-with-active-scenes/page/2/#findComment-2581705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
diatoms Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 On 9/30/2017 at 12:58 AM, hautlle said: Houston has a lot going on thanks to the Defunkt Crew (https://www.facebook.com/DEFUNKT.co/). They put on some great pre/post parties during Day for Night last year. My city is open to stuff due to it being a college town, but there's not much that I find interesting in the ways of electronic music Lawrence? Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide diatoms's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/94004-idm-in-america-in-2017-any-cities-with-active-scenes/page/2/#findComment-2581720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hautlle Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 On 10/6/2017 at 12:40 PM, diatoms said: On 9/30/2017 at 12:58 AM, hautlle said: Houston has a lot going on thanks to the Defunkt Crew (https://www.facebook.com/DEFUNKT.co/). They put on some great pre/post parties during Day for Night last year. My city is open to stuff due to it being a college town, but there's not much that I find interesting in the ways of electronic music Lawrence? Yeah man, you nearby? Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Hautlle's signature Hide all signatures Albums/EPs Free to DL or stream Newest stuff is on Soundcloud Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/94004-idm-in-america-in-2017-any-cities-with-active-scenes/page/2/#findComment-2582162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
snack master Posted October 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 Thanks, everybody. Now I feel like I should either move to the west coast or to Europe Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/94004-idm-in-america-in-2017-any-cities-with-active-scenes/page/2/#findComment-2582252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBro Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 You guys are gonna hate me but I went off 'IDM' long time ago. The really noodly stuff I just don't get anymore. Am I alone? :-) Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/94004-idm-in-america-in-2017-any-cities-with-active-scenes/page/2/#findComment-2582863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Member Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 (edited) ^Ban^ Edited October 11, 2017 by Gocab Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Silent Member's signature Hide all signatures Some songs I made with my fingers and electronics. In the process of making some more. Hopefully. Reveal hidden contents Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/94004-idm-in-america-in-2017-any-cities-with-active-scenes/page/2/#findComment-2582869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBro Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Ha ha. :-) Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/94004-idm-in-america-in-2017-any-cities-with-active-scenes/page/2/#findComment-2582872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
olo Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 (edited) On 10/11/2017 at 7:32 PM, TheBro said: You guys are gonna hate me but I went off 'IDM' long time ago. The really noodly stuff I just don't get anymore. Am I alone? :-) On 10/11/2017 at 7:40 PM, Gocab said: ^Ban^ lol Edited October 11, 2017 by olo Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide olo's signature Hide all signatures Thanks user487363530. And user4873635301. Now 48736353001. Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/94004-idm-in-america-in-2017-any-cities-with-active-scenes/page/2/#findComment-2582878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
diatoms Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 On 10/8/2017 at 5:29 PM, hautlle said: On 10/6/2017 at 12:40 PM, diatoms said: On 9/30/2017 at 12:58 AM, hautlle said: Houston has a lot going on thanks to the Defunkt Crew (https://www.facebook.com/DEFUNKT.co/). They put on some great pre/post parties during Day for Night last year. My city is open to stuff due to it being a college town, but there's not much that I find interesting in the ways of electronic music Lawrence? Yeah man, you nearby? Not anymore, I went to school there Experienced my first rave in Lawrence :) Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide diatoms's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/94004-idm-in-america-in-2017-any-cities-with-active-scenes/page/2/#findComment-2582883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaxOutTheBox Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 +1 for the DFN afters in Houston last year. still cannot get over how sick the aphex dfn set was, truly a life-changing experience. i expect more of the same provided some of the talent on this year's list. this festival is well worth a cross-country trip for anyone outside of texas! i live in austin and, there is no discernible idm scene here. very little electronic that i have found outside of sxsw. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/94004-idm-in-america-in-2017-any-cities-with-active-scenes/page/2/#findComment-2583674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thawkins Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 On 10/6/2017 at 9:27 AM, bossman said: On 10/4/2017 at 10:40 PM, Braintree said: On 10/4/2017 at 4:29 AM, bossman said: sf had a scene 10-15 yrs ago with tb6 lot, then gentlemens techno nights/eatstapes, then oakland warehouses.. I moved away in 2013 so not sure what's going on now We've been doing stuff like this: https://www.facebook.com/events/125955334701282/?acontext=%7B%22action_history%22%3A[%7B%22surface%22%3A%22dashboard%22%2C%22mechanism%22%3A%22calendar_tab_event%22%2C%22extra_data%22%3A%22%7B%5C%22dashboard_filter%5C%22%3A%5C%22calendar%5C%22%7D%22%7D]%2C%22ref%22%3A2%2C%22source%22%3A2%7D And this: https://www.facebook.com/events/1635601633180404/?acontext=%7B%22action_history%22%3A[%7B%22surface%22%3A%22dashboard%22%2C%22mechanism%22%3A%22calendar_tab_event%22%2C%22extra_data%22%3A%22[]%22%7D]%2C%22ref%22%3A1%2C%22source%22%3A2%7D right on, I'll have to make it out ..related= https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGPWuIjD-fw Hey that stuff is awesome, thanks for linking. I've always loved this kind of busy sort of drum and bass. I'm totally unaware of the genre, but 'footwork' seems something like that too, now I have something to type into the search bar. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide thawkins's signature Hide all signatures We Are The Music Makers | Volume One by Various TELECHARGER: audiovisual experimental space rock livestreams with Tubular Corporation most Tuesdays 8.30PM CET Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/94004-idm-in-america-in-2017-any-cities-with-active-scenes/page/2/#findComment-2584169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braintree Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 Tech step? It kind of evolved into "Neurofunk" eventually. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Braintree's signature Hide all signatures colindyer.bandcamp.com williamsbraintree.bandcamp.com Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/94004-idm-in-america-in-2017-any-cities-with-active-scenes/page/2/#findComment-2584306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thawkins Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 Neurofunk is one of those genre names like "acid jazz" that - for me - always fails to deliver. When I hear neurofunk I keep expecting Funkadelic, Frank Zappa, James Brown faster and more trippy and more electronic, except it's just a slightly more cyberpunk dystopia style drum'n'bass. When I hear acid jazz I keep expecting something like jazz + LSD (like Miles Davis, Herbie Hancock except more psychedelic etc), except it's usually jazz that's been temporally butchered to match a 4/4 beat with a song structure that's been re-sampled to fit the 16 beats-per-breakdown house song structure (which I think is a terrible waste of potential). I think my problem is that I like some songs that go under tech step, neurofunk, etc. and it's more down to the way the drums and the bass sound. I.e. if it's too "regular" amen-style drums, the bassline needs to be interesting and provide some rhythmical counterpoint to it. It's basically impossible to sort this kind of stuff by genre names though, so it's usually easier to find artists or DJs who are into the same kind of sound. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide thawkins's signature Hide all signatures We Are The Music Makers | Volume One by Various TELECHARGER: audiovisual experimental space rock livestreams with Tubular Corporation most Tuesdays 8.30PM CET Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/94004-idm-in-america-in-2017-any-cities-with-active-scenes/page/2/#findComment-2584781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braintree Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 Yeah, it's a shit name. There are some good mixes on youtube. This one has the tracklist and times: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GITwoigAkA&t=1s Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Braintree's signature Hide all signatures colindyer.bandcamp.com williamsbraintree.bandcamp.com Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/94004-idm-in-america-in-2017-any-cities-with-active-scenes/page/2/#findComment-2585165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thawkins Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 (edited) Thanks for this, already got a couple of good new tracks from there. Shame it isn't more like a DJ mix, sometimes those make even otherwise boring songs really come alive. My go-to artist for the hardest and most intense stuff is usually Katharsys, but I might be biased because I've seen him live. His songs have crazy good drums and rhythm. Edited October 25, 2017 by thawkins Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide thawkins's signature Hide all signatures We Are The Music Makers | Volume One by Various TELECHARGER: audiovisual experimental space rock livestreams with Tubular Corporation most Tuesdays 8.30PM CET Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/94004-idm-in-america-in-2017-any-cities-with-active-scenes/page/2/#findComment-2585207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
YO303 Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 you can come to New Jersey and watch me drive around blasting some user18081971, thats the best you'll get in the states Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/94004-idm-in-america-in-2017-any-cities-with-active-scenes/page/2/#findComment-2585208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxbip Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 In Montreal (Canada but hey) , we have some nice electronic things going on. Experimental,glitch,electro,ambient,noise,live electronic,live Techno or modular(Mutek),improvisation. I've seen a few underground shows with IDM vibes and acts but it's rarely 100% going IDM,still i feel lucky when it happens.I'm thinking Woulg and Jesse Osbourne Lanthier. I've seen a few live modular set with autechresque IDM. A few rare breakcore shows. Braindance is simply almost completely inexistent except for me doing shows occasionally. I've been to quite a few ambient shows tho. So IDM is not the most represented style but we get a bit and the electronic scene is very alive,loads of show happening all the time,we have especially quite a few venues booking for free everyday of the week and easy to book with decent crowd capacity,doing very cool things. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide fxbip's signature Hide all signatures On 5/20/2017 at 8:07 AM, ladalaika said: This entire thread is filthy ape pilates lust. Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/94004-idm-in-america-in-2017-any-cities-with-active-scenes/page/2/#findComment-2587337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 On 11/3/2017 at 10:27 AM, fxbip said: In Montreal (Canada but hey) , we have some nice electronic things going on. Experimental,glitch,electro,ambient,noise,live electronic,live Techno or modular(Mutek),improvisation. I've seen a few underground shows with IDM vibes and acts but it's rarely 100% going IDM,still i feel lucky when it happens.I'm thinking Woulg and Jesse Osbourne Lanthier. I've seen a few live modular set with autechresque IDM. A few rare breakcore shows. Braindance is simply almost completely inexistent except for me doing shows occasionally. I've been to quite a few ambient shows tho. So IDM is not the most represented style but we get a bit and the electronic scene is very alive,loads of show happening all the time,we have especially quite a few venues booking for free everyday of the week and easy to book with decent crowd capacity,doing very cool things. Message me anything Montreal related. I know a few producers there. I just played Casa del Popolo in Sept and I want to play MTL in the Spring sometime. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/94004-idm-in-america-in-2017-any-cities-with-active-scenes/page/2/#findComment-2587955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xox Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 *moves montreal* *moves montreal* Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/94004-idm-in-america-in-2017-any-cities-with-active-scenes/page/2/#findComment-2588114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxbip Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 (edited) On 11/6/2017 at 6:08 PM, paranerd said: On 11/3/2017 at 10:27 AM, fxbip said: In Montreal (Canada but hey) , we have some nice electronic things going on. Experimental,glitch,electro,ambient,noise,live electronic,live Techno or modular(Mutek),improvisation. I've seen a few underground shows with IDM vibes and acts but it's rarely 100% going IDM,still i feel lucky when it happens.I'm thinking Woulg and Jesse Osbourne Lanthier. I've seen a few live modular set with autechresque IDM. A few rare breakcore shows. Braindance is simply almost completely inexistent except for me doing shows occasionally. I've been to quite a few ambient shows tho. So IDM is not the most represented style but we get a bit and the electronic scene is very alive,loads of show happening all the time,we have especially quite a few venues booking for free everyday of the week and easy to book with decent crowd capacity,doing very cool things. Message me anything Montreal related. I know a few producers there. I just played Casa del Popolo in Sept and I want to play MTL in the Spring sometime. Sure man.Chcked your soundcloud.We should do a show together with a few other peeps at Casa or Vitrola.Would be damn fine to bring more braindance to the city.PM me and we'll get in touch on mail or facebook and get something together. On 11/7/2017 at 2:39 PM, xox said: *moves montreal* *moves montreal* It's a lush city. But needs more braindance. WATMM needs to mass emigrate in here. Edited November 7, 2017 by fxbip Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide fxbip's signature Hide all signatures On 5/20/2017 at 8:07 AM, ladalaika said: This entire thread is filthy ape pilates lust. Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/94004-idm-in-america-in-2017-any-cities-with-active-scenes/page/2/#findComment-2588166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braintree Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 I've never been there, but would totally play if I were booked. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Braintree's signature Hide all signatures colindyer.bandcamp.com williamsbraintree.bandcamp.com Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/94004-idm-in-america-in-2017-any-cities-with-active-scenes/page/2/#findComment-2588621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
snack master Posted November 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 On 11/3/2017 at 10:27 AM, fxbip said: In Montreal (Canada but hey) , we have some nice electronic things going on. Experimental,glitch,electro,ambient,noise,live electronic,live Techno or modular(Mutek),improvisation. I've seen a few underground shows with IDM vibes and acts but it's rarely 100% going IDM,still i feel lucky when it happens.I'm thinking Woulg and Jesse Osbourne Lanthier. I've seen a few live modular set with autechresque IDM. A few rare breakcore shows. Braindance is simply almost completely inexistent except for me doing shows occasionally. I've been to quite a few ambient shows tho. So IDM is not the most represented style but we get a bit and the electronic scene is very alive,loads of show happening all the time,we have especially quite a few venues booking for free everyday of the week and easy to book with decent crowd capacity,doing very cool things. It'd be interesting if a bunch of active North American-based IDM artists all agreed to move to one location and develop a scene there. Obviously that's an outlandish idea, but I can still dream, can't I? Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/94004-idm-in-america-in-2017-any-cities-with-active-scenes/page/2/#findComment-2589758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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