jordan peterson

  On 2/21/2018 at 8:24 AM, dr lopez said:

that meme is so fucking retarded. Sorry

qft

  On 2/21/2018 at 6:34 AM, RSP said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQOPXZqbcNE

Flol that is incredible.

  On 2/21/2018 at 8:03 AM, zaphod said:

jordan peterson reached for his ankle holstered glock 42 as the transfeminist marxists pulled and bit at him. one of them forced peterson's jaw open and began to move it up and down, compelling him to form non traditional pronouns as he screamed in anguish. there was a roar at the end of the hall. the marxists backed away on all fours, hooting and screeching, some crawling up the walls and ceiling like spiders. peterson righted himself and checked the glock. one round. he thought about pinocchio and began to cry. something big, very, very big - listen, this thing was morbidly obese - blocked out the light. he caught a glimpse of its head, which receded into a mound of fat between its gorilla like shoulders. there were fragments of skull in the thing's purple hair. peterson squinted. one of the fragments still had an undercut. he almost vomited. the creature moved down the hall toward him, stopping every few feet to lean against a wall and catch its breath. this process took twenty minutes. peterson recognized its face and crossed himself. he had seen the monster in his dreams. in canada, it was called a wendigo. in america, lindy west. he placed the gun in his mouth and pulled the trigger.

Imma need another 200 pages of this pls, thx

  On 2/21/2018 at 7:35 AM, Salvatorin said:

 

  On 2/21/2018 at 5:05 AM, qnio said:

an interest in helping troubled young men that have been raised by

compassion, which have left them helpless and unable to make

themselves responsible for putting their lives together.

 

What the fuck?

 

sorry, i meant young men who've been raised by parents that privilege

compassion over promoting self-responsibility, or something like

that. it goes along the lines of "(male) kids are looking out for

compassion in life instead of competing for status".

btw i'm not advocating for peterson's ideas, i'm trying to highlight

the main points he's making.

i mean, people say he isn't a conservative, but he revolves around the

same themes: masculinity and femininity; gender roles; the pay gap;

lgbt; the bible; communism and socialism; SJW (his words); political

correctness.

  On 2/21/2018 at 6:34 AM, RSP said:

ok there are some good points here; i'm reaching similar conclusions.

Agreed, though *definitely* worth watching these deleted 17 minutes from that Vice interview - I thought Jordan was about to having an aneurysm from that 2 minute trim (there's a definite rhythm and pacing to his voice and sentence structre that just seemed a little *off* in the extract)

even with the filled in bits, he sounds quite nutty talking about women in the workplace.

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so pathetic to see this guy being paraded around the youtube talk shows as if he's not a troll and a professional shitlord.

 

I still haven't even the remotest clue what 'post modernism' is .... My brain starts to try and understand but then ....

Woah, my stupid brain actually understood that ! Nice one 

peterson darts awake, his body drenched in sweat. his wife stirs beside him, caressing his back. "honey, good back to zhe." he grabs her by the collar of her pajamas, slapping her across the face. "what did you just say to me, you crazy harpy?" "go back to sleep! i said 'sleep!'" he throws her pathetic female form back upon her pink pillow. he grabs his robe -- a masculine blue -- and storms out of the room. in his office he clicks on his desk lamp, its cone of light illuminating his manuscripts on psychology and mythology and christianity. he gazes upon the title of a book by one of his masters, carl gustav jung. flipping through it his eyes fall upon passages about the "union of opposites," the "dual nature," masculine and feminine, of the psyche. he tosses the book down in confusion, in disgust. his hands shake as he turns the desk lamp to shine upon the wall where its beam is cast upon a poster of his creation. on the left, pink side, are pictures of girls and women; on the right, blue side, pictures of boys, men. the two sides are separated in the middle with a golden pillar with the word "scientia" painted upon it. he feels immense relief. just before turning off the light his gaze is accidentally caught by his open latin dictionary. his flips through it in haste and throws it down as if it were burning his hands. nowhere was he able to find the pronouns "him" or "her." some one must have pressured the publisher to remove them. just then he gets a text from one of his followers. it reads "they've made it to america" with an accompanying link. he opens the link. a trans teenager now legally lives with her grandma. he does a hard reset on his phone. as it reboots he peers through his blinds out of his window. "they're coming" he whispers.

lol

  On 2/21/2018 at 4:25 PM, Alcofribas said:

peterson darts awake, his body drenched in sweat. his wife stirs beside him, caressing his back. "honey, good back to zhe." he grabs her by the collar of her pajamas, slapping her across the face. "what did you just say to me, you crazy harpy?" "go back to sleep! i said 'sleep!'" he throws her pathetic female form back upon her pink pillow. he grabs his robe -- a masculine blue -- and storms out of the room. in his office he clicks on his desk lamp, its cone of light illuminating his manuscripts on psychology and mythology and christianity. he gazes upon the title of a book by one of his masters, carl gustav jung. flipping through it his eyes fall upon passages about the "union of opposites," the "dual nature," masculine and feminine, of the psyche. he tosses the book down in confusion, in disgust. his hands shake as he turns the desk lamp to shine upon the wall where its beam is cast upon a poster of his creation. on the left, pink side, are pictures of girls and women; on the right, blue side, pictures of boys, men. the two sides are separated in the middle with a golden pillar with the word "scientia" painted upon it. he feels immense relief. just before turning off the light his gaze is accidentally caught by his open latin dictionary. his flips through it in haste and throws it down as if it were burning his hands. nowhere was he able to find the pronouns "him" or "her." some one must have pressured the publisher to remove them. just then he gets a text from one of his followers. it reads "they've made it to america" with an accompanying link. he opens the link. a trans teenager now legally lives with her grandma. he does a hard reset on his phone. as it reboots he peers through his blinds out of his window. "they're coming" he whispers.

read with

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpR4p41F8G4

So...

  On 2/21/2018 at 5:05 AM, qnio said:

a constant bashing on cultural-postmodern-marxism, a foggy notion that

is never explained, which is posed as a threat because it is based on

group identities that have shaped socialist regimes. he seems very

belligerent on this matter.

  On 2/21/2018 at 3:28 PM, Mesh Gear Fox said:

my understanding is that modernism has clear goals for society and favours "the good of mankind", onward and upward with inevitable benefits etc. this sprung up during the enlightenment period and was a guiding principle behind much of mankind's actions henceforth. colonialism and imperialism are considered to be very much guided by modernist thought.

 

post modernism is kind of like stepping back and looking at the bigger picture, deconstructing ideas, giving equal weight to multiple subjective interpretations of an idea, and recognising chaos and unintended consequences as inevitable. there are no clear goals with post-modernism, it is more of a system of analysis than a strict humanist ideology.

  On 2/21/2018 at 3:13 PM, mcbpete said:

I still haven't even the remotest clue what 'post modernism' is .... My brain starts to try and understand but then ....

  On 2/21/2018 at 3:10 PM, Mesh Gear Fox said:

'cultural marxism' and 'virtue signalling' are empty phrases which mean nothing significant. from what i can gather you have to buy into these things being real for most of his arguments to have any substance. i was disappointed to find these seem to be key talking points for a guy who is supposed to be edgy and original.

 

and postmodernism is the best tool we have for approaching an objective analysis of anything. if anything postmodernism is frustrating for disrupting progress, and indeed most marxists i know are highly critical of the way postmodern approaches have favoured neoliberal economic policies. the consideration of subjectivity and the chaos created by competing and overlapping discourses is surely very important for critical analysis and academia. tearing down postmodernism because you think it is solely a tool used by leftists to indoctrinate others into their ideology shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what postmodernism is. postmodernism is what allows people like peterson to have a voice in society that is extraordinarily status quo whilst appearing to be rebellious.

in this video he explains exactly what he means when he uses those terms (postmodernism, cultural marxism, etc). might be interesting to hear some thoughts about the arguments presented here?

they call an emergency session of the joe rogan experience. jordan peterson sits between gad saad and sam harris. peterson stops mid sentence and collects himself. he still isn’t used to just how tiny joe rogan is in person. at four foot two, rogan needs a booster chair to reach his console. his head glistens with sweat. like most things in life, he reminds peterson of pinocchio. “so ah...as I was saying, if you read ordinary men..you’ll...ah”. rogan stares intensely at a second monitor. “look at this fucking thing.” he spins the monitor around to face peterson. it’s a liveleak video of an orangutan destroying an elementary school cafeteria. rogan shakes his head. “jeesus.” there is a ding. peterson looks at sam harris. a blue light flashes once on his forehead and his eyes close, followed by the familiar sound of a windows machine shutting down. gad saad burps and the entire room fills with the smell of rotten fish.

  On 2/21/2018 at 8:19 PM, sisforawesome said:

in this video he explains exactly what he means when he uses those terms (postmodernism, cultural marxism, etc). might be interesting to hear some thoughts about the arguments presented here?

 

 

the logical leap he makes at minute 8 doesn't make sense and i don't think think any of those people covered by the postmodernist label ever did such a leap. the fact that there can be a multitude of interpretations doesn't mean that they produce the same output and so naturally there are contexts where one system of interpretation will be privileged (doesn't matter by whom) over others by definition. whether an interpretation is viable or not is a question of scientific, social, cultural, economic, ideological, technological, environmental and so on contexts, thomas kuhn's work is a pretty convincing argument for that.

that "every interpretation is equal" or more commonly "everything goes" is strawman that those who clumsily criticize (what they see as) postmodernism often use. bruno latour is very vocally against this notion and he is a very prominent "postmodernist" dealing with sociology of science who was involved in that sokal bullshit. so are the edinburgh school people (a different strain of social constructionist approach to science).

  On 2/21/2018 at 8:19 PM, sisforawesome said:

He calls the claim of an infinite number of interpretations "incorrect" but his counterargument makes no sense. The claim of infinite interpretations isn't contradictory with there being invalid interpretations. If I asked you to give me a real number between 0 and 1 there would be infinite amounts of both valid and invalid responses. The claim that there is no single valid interpretation simply or maybe not so simply entails that we can reason about which one we prefer, based on principles like the Golden Rule, and arrive at compassionate, altruistic, pacifist, etc. rational ethics.

To be honest and if it wasn't obvious already I don't remember shit about postmodernism but I've studied enough of the social sciences to know that being an obnoxious, aggressive but ultimately, through lots of trial and error, somewhat cunning debater is going to be an easier path towards success and admiration than choosing integrity, compassion, and constructive discussion. I'm guessing Jordy knows this too and really craves the fame and money.

  On 2/21/2018 at 10:15 PM, manmower said:

 

  On 2/21/2018 at 8:19 PM, sisforawesome said:

 

He calls the claim of an infinite number of interpretations "incorrect" but his counterargument makes no sense. The claim of infinite interpretations isn't contradictory with there being invalid interpretations. If I asked you to give me a real number between 0 and 1 there would be infinite amounts of both valid and invalid responses. The claim that there is no single valid interpretation simply or maybe not so simply entails that we can reason about which one we prefer, based on principles like the Golden Rule, and arrive at compassionate, altruistic, pacifist, etc. rational ethics.

 

To be honest and if it wasn't obvious already I don't remember shit about postmodernism but I've studied enough of the social sciences to know that being an obnoxious, aggressive but ultimately, through lots of trial and error, somewhat cunning debater is going to be an easier path towards success and admiration than choosing integrity, compassion, and constructive discussion. I'm guessing Jordy knows this too and really craves the fame and money.

can you point to a debate where he is cunning, obnoxious and aggressive? 

joe rogan takes a large dose of mushrooms, puts on the latest fluorescent grey disc and ask peterson to lift him up into his sensory deprivation tank. after closing the door peterson can hear rogan inside muttering his mantra as well as encouraging an entity to eat a quail egg with a partially developed bird inside of it. peterson looks over at harris whose face is now the color of a pale blue sky with his features hovering just beyond the surface like clouds. peterson can't quite tell if harris is looking at him but he hears him say "wake up. use logic and reason to complain about muslims." peterson shrugs, unsure if he can use this to his advantage or if it's more sam's thing. he walks through the studio space, unsure where the exit is. he is scared. is this the dark journey of the hero? will he have to struggle with the unconscious? will he become submerged in it, despairing, only to arrive back where he began but as a fully integrated self? just then a creature emerges! "this is it," he mutters to himself, "this is the dragon i must slay." it is a wild beast, completely inhuman, crazed, insane. it has flowing, disgusting rope-like threads hanging from its head. strange lumps protrude from its shallow chest. upon its hideous face are blood-like colors, dark, lusty reds. peterson knows this disgusting beast is trying to entice him, provoke him, get him to fuck. he flees. hiding behind rogan's podcast desk he thinks what a shame it is that he cannot fight such a beast. if it were a man, he could vanquish it with his fists. but not a creature such as this. he quickly draws a jungian chart of his experience to show other men, to warn them. on the left side of the page is a uroboros, sucking itself off. on the right is a female specimen. her left palm is "temptation," her right thumb is "angst," her womb is "creatio," her head is "insanio," her groin is "ineffabilio." 

  On 2/21/2018 at 3:10 PM, Mesh Gear Fox said:

 

 

and postmodernism is the best tool we have for approaching an objective analysis of anything.

 

oh really?  how does post-modernism get from A to B (A being ignorance, B being truth) show me the path

and while you are at it show me how moral relativism is the best tool we have to understand morality and ethics.

  On 2/22/2018 at 12:19 AM, Alcofribas said:

joe rogan takes a large dose of mushrooms, puts on the latest fluorescent grey disc and ask peterson to lift him up into his sensory deprivation tank. after closing the door peterson can hear rogan inside muttering his mantra as well as encouraging an entity to eat a quail egg with a partially developed bird inside of it. peterson looks over at harris whose face is now the color of a pale blue sky with his features hovering just beyond the surface like clouds. peterson can't quite tell if harris is looking at him but he hears him say "wake up. use logic and reason to complain about muslims." peterson shrugs, unsure if he can use this to his advantage or if it's more sam's thing. he walks through the studio space, unsure where the exit is. he is scared. is this the dark journey of the hero? will he have to struggle with the unconscious? will he become submerged in it, despairing, only to arrive back where he began but as a fully integrated self? just then a creature emerges! "this is it," he mutters to himself, "this is the dragon i must slay." it is a wild beast, completely inhuman, crazed, insane. it has flowing, disgusting rope-like threads hanging from its head. strange lumps protrude from its shallow chest. upon its hideous face are blood-like colors, dark, lusty reds. peterson knows this disgusting beast is trying to entice him, provoke him, get him to fuck. he flees. hiding behind rogan's podcast desk he thinks what a shame it is that he cannot fight such a beast. if it were a man, he could vanquish it with his fists. but not a creature such as this. he quickly draws a jungian chart of his experience to show other men, to warn them. on the left side of the page is a uroboros, sucking itself off.on the right is a female specimen. her left palm is "temptation," her right thumb is "angst," her womb is "creatio," her head is "insanio," her groin is "ineffabilio."

Totes lushlz.

lol how do we pin alcos comments pls

it’s not easy we all have to hard reset our phone in perfect sync,