jordan peterson

https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulturmarxism

  On 3/29/2018 at 2:21 AM, Mesh Gear Fox said:

 

  On 3/29/2018 at 1:41 AM, MIXL2 said:

 

  On 3/29/2018 at 1:35 AM, Candiru said:

He’s protesting “cultural Marxism” which doesn’t exist. Shame on all those people protesting real issues, eh?

perhaps not where you live, and id argue that inequality in the sense that has been protested against peterson is the non existent issue.

 

i guess we disagree

can you elaborate on this for us please?

I don't really want to engage that conversation on this thread.. but I'll explain from my perspective living in Sweden what I mean

 

class differences is a real issue and a complicated issue.. but I have lived most of my life in a 2nd world country (Colombia) and in comparison Sweden truly is paradise when it comes to this. And so, seeing people demanding equity, seeing "Gulag" written on the streets and antifa/marxists movements and protests is, to me, ridiculous...

 

furthermore the narrative of these movements has moved up onto companies, the universities and the govermnet leading to ridiculous policies for equity, immigration problems and a huge fear from the media to discuss these issues.. so that's how I see it

 

now back to petersson, alco mentioned before that he doesn't add anything of meaning to the debate but iunno man.. if anything he makes people aware of the issue that is identity politics

 

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  On 3/29/2018 at 2:36 AM, darreichungsform said:

 

  On 3/29/2018 at 1:41 AM, MIXL2 said:

 

  On 3/29/2018 at 1:35 AM, Candiru said:

He’s protesting “cultural Marxism” which doesn’t exist. Shame on all those people protesting real issues, eh?

 

perhaps not where you live, and id argue that inequality in the sense that has been protested against peterson is the non existent issue.

i guess we disagree

https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulturmarxism

lol if that's the actual definition of it then that's not what I mean at all nor is it what peterson protests.. that's one biased wiki article jeez

 

edit2: @usagi yes, this has been discussed before.. so is he exploiting young men for money or helping because he wants to help (and the money came as a unexpected concequence)? time will tell probs

Edited March 29, 2018 by MIXL2

  On 3/29/2018 at 2:29 AM, usagi said:

point is, there's a clear self-interest there for him which he has tried to hide/deflect. his earlier defense that he posts stuff online for free or whatever means nothing in the face of those numbers.

 

Well I don't know about that. People just dig what he's working on. Thankfully there are platforms that allow guys like him to make money off their hard work. This guy, however, found a real gold mine. He is in the right place at the right time.

I'm not going so far as to say that it's his primary motivation - in fact, I'm not saying anything final about his actual motivations (because I can't be sure). I'm just pointing out that, based on the numbers alone, there is a large financial reward in this and that is a clear point of self-interest which should necessarily be taken into account when evaluating the merits of his public engagement.

ye, time will tell... he maybe turns out to be a paedophile rapist kkk fascist lizardman

 

or maybe he's the reincarnation of jesus/buddha

 

my guess is both

  On 3/28/2018 at 8:31 PM, Rotwang said:

https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/03/26/book-review-twelve-rules-for-life/

I gave up when the reviewer called Peterson a prophet. Even if he was sorta joking...like...a prophet? I realize that was probably the point of the review and I should've kept on but I just...I couldn't. Ffs.

  On 3/29/2018 at 3:03 AM, auxien said:

 

  On 3/28/2018 at 8:31 PM, Rotwang said:

https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/03/26/book-review-twelve-rules-for-life/

I gave up when the reviewer called Peterson a prophet. Even if he was sorta joking...like...a prophet? I realize that was probably the point of the review and I should've kept on but I just...I couldn't. Ffs.

he's the messiah

that review is a massive self own. there's no way i can take it seriously.

Well there are many doctors who make 20k+ each month and noone would say they are bad people because they only help for the money (even though there is a difference between 100k and 20k). But I'm sure it became a lucrative business for Jordan Peterson, he is definitely no saint. I don't know much about his ideology, I have only seen one interview, never saw his YoutTube videos or read a book by him and only know that he is associated with the political right and laughed at by social scientists. And I think if one dislikes him and thinks he should get less money then one should stop making him more famous by talking too much about him and demonize or worship him. That only makes more people pay attention to him which helps him.

Okay, at the risk of alienating MIXL2 to the point of joining Stormfront, I think I know what you are talking about in Sweden. I don't think anyone here should refute your personal experiences. I have read of some truly retarded sounding stuff happening in academia in scandinavia. Pls, do tell.

  On 3/29/2018 at 3:09 AM, darreichungsform said:

And I think if one dislikes him and thinks he should get less money then one should stop making him more famous by talking too much about him and demonize or worship him. That only makes more people pay attention to him which helps him.

 

Personally I don't care whether he makes money or not. I just wish people would take in what he says and writes with a critical mind. There's a lot of talk about 'net good' in the defense of Peterson, e.g. "it doesn't matter what his political or religious beliefs are, the core message is helpful and uplifting, especially for alienated young men." If one can be aware of all the inconsistencies and fallacies in his work and retain your appreciation for what he's doing, then that's fine. Instead I see a lot of hand-waving, fanboyish loyalty and of course the inevitable "lol idgaf y u guise so seriose". 

  On 3/29/2018 at 3:44 AM, Salvatorin said:

 

"lol idgaf y u guise so seriose". 

 

 yes that'd be me

  On 3/29/2018 at 3:04 AM, Mesh Gear Fox said:

 

  On 3/29/2018 at 2:38 AM, MIXL2 said:

 

  On 3/29/2018 at 2:21 AM, Mesh Gear Fox said:

 

  On 3/29/2018 at 1:41 AM, MIXL2 said:

 

  On 3/29/2018 at 1:35 AM, Candiru said:

He’s protesting “cultural Marxism” which doesn’t exist. Shame on all those people protesting real issues, eh?

 

perhaps not where you live, and id argue that inequality in the sense that has been protested against peterson is the non existent issue.

i guess we disagree

can you elaborate on this for us please?

I don't really want to engage that conversation on this thread.. but I'll explain from my perspective living in Sweden what I mean

class differences is a real issue and complicated issue.. but I have lived most of my life in a 2nd world country (Colombia) and in comparison Sweden truly is paradise when it comes to this. And so, seeing people demanding equity, seeing "Gulag" written on the streets and antifa/marxists movements and protests is, to me, ridiculous...

furthermore the narrative of these movements has moved up onto companies, the universities and the govermnet leading to ridiculous policies for equity, immigration problems and a huge fear from the media to discuss these issues.. so that's how I see it

now back to petersson, alco mentioned before that he doesn't add anything of meaning to the debate but iunno man.. if anything he makes people aware of the issue

actually i think this is the best thread we have for discussing this type of thing. i can't think where else on watmm it would be appropriate.

 

don't you think it's a bit rich to immediately reach for the marxist / antifa characterisation when discussing these things? overwhelmingly the majority of people who have an interest in equity and rights are not in this camp. not many people on here would agree with extremist tactics either but this is not a reason to go down the cultural marxism rabbit hole.

 

and really, you think the media and people are afraid to speak up on this issue? that's interesting because i have seen plenty of news stories that deal with these topics... oh i'm assuming you mean the mainstream media...like fox and every bloody uk tabloid that runs daily articles on how the 'loony left' are infiltrating society with their wacky plans for world domination. and how new corp owns more than two thirds of every newspaper in australia. and how every second night on australian tv there will be a story about how immigrants and dole bludgers are ruining the country. yes, that media would be really scared to report on these things wouldn't they.

 

what specific examples do you have that proves that there is an active effort to indoctrinate people into marxism and leftism? what specific ideas are being pursued by companies, universities and government that you find reprehensible and why? i am not being a snarky dick in saying this, i genuinely want to chase this train of thought as i think it is relevant to the discussion.

ok, so part of the reason I didn't want to discuss it is because I simply don't know enough.. but this article I think summarizes the state of the universities here well:

http://quillette.com/2017/11/14/academic-freedom-threat-sweden/

 

I study engineering in Lund and the marxists stickers and "gulag" marks have slowly been growing in density in the city and campus... here there is no right wing mainstream media id say, so to see the other side of things we're forced to youtube etc (and the government want to call Google and Facebook into court for promoting hate speech! https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/ku-ordforanden-oppnar-for-att-kalla-google-till-forhor/) I agree that most people don't agree with the extreme left ideas of equality but the thing is i dont think people realise how far left things are going... I was taught in school about Nazi Germany but not a word about Maoist China or the Soviet Union (I mean not a word on how many people communism killed). I don't believe there is a conspiracy behind it.. I think it has more to do with that is more difficult to see what's wrong with ideas of equality being pushed too far (in comparison to far right ideas).

 

and yes, here you are afraid to speak about it.. we only have one big "right wing" party which wants to reduce immigration and they are labeled the nazis and racists by the media... when in truth they are barely centrists in their politics (and they where voted by 13% of the population!)

 

I'll need to do more research to tell you more details.. I mean is not like everything is on fire or anything but is not a good direction!

 

edit: @Salvatorin I try rlly hard to tell myself not to agree with everything but what can I say, I agree with most of it! I don't think the supa left thing applies to all of the west but certainly parts of it.. and there are much larger problems at hand than these equality games!

Edited March 29, 2018 by MIXL2

Well I in contrary subjectively experience a strong right shift here in Germany. Hate against muslims became far more common and racist statements far more accepted than before the refugee crysis. Not that much on my university though.

Since I really am getting really tired of repeatedly watching the pipeline of "just curious" to "next anders breivik"

 

So I'll try and make some (petersonian?) metaphors that will help you navigate through this confusing, dangerous world.

 

1.

—Identity politics: imagine a gigantic stinking pile of shit lying on top of some very modest, yet nourishing bread. Somewhere along the line someone confused the shit for the bread, ate it, and told everyone it was great, and now people are lining up to eat the shit.

that's rlly good man have you considered starting a youtube channel? perhaps write a book? :P

 

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  On 3/29/2018 at 4:00 AM, darreichungsform said:

Well I in contrary subjectively experience a strong right shift here in Germany. Hate against muslims became far more common and racist statements far more accepted than before the refugee crysis. Not that much on my university though.

that's interesting, I was kinda expecting the same after the terrorist attack in stockholm.. but other than the "right wing" party getting more support I haven't noticed that much of a shift against immigrants

Edited March 29, 2018 by MIXL2

in hindsight that seems much more uh...

but that guy is fat and slimy, I mean compare that to this beaut

 

*cums in jorts*

*head hangs in shame*

"This...*sighs*...is simply not commensurate with the demands of an advanced civilization"

 

 

A lot of righty people like to use excerpts from JP as a warning about tyrannical leftist things when now, it’s the far right that are fucking things up. It just seems like he’s being paid to project.

 

(sry can't be bothered to see if this is already posted)

Edited March 29, 2018 by Thiefinger

talk about projecting self hatred jeez

noice thx it seems to be a gud podcast tbqh

here’s the full episode

cum town impression is better