NZ Mosque Shooting Footage

breitbart at all fucking using this to fuel more conspiracies is so infuriating... fuck

in the car listened to a few minutes of NPR and i think it was this american life or something.. but was a british person interviewing and talking about alex jones. was an old interview. it was focused on jones being someone who embellishes stories from his own life that are true but instead of saying "in highschool i got into a fight in the cafeteria with 2 football players".. he says "i fought the entire football team and took them out".  and this is a real story.. and the show found people he went to highschool with who said "it didn't really go down like that" and they told what really happened.. 

the kicker is that then the host says "well what about his show and what he says now" and they bring up some examples and have a discussion and the guy that just called alex jones a liar for making up shit about his highschool fight says "well.. we're in a world where anything can be true.. obama could be a secret muslim who is giving money to the islamic state.. there's nothign he says that can't be true.. he makes a lot of sense some times"

so, thinking that people aren't saying out loud the same shit as people say on 4chan is a dream..  perhaps we just don't know those stupid people and aren't having conversations w/them but there's certainly groups of people having conversations about all this shit and saying it all out loud and meaning it. 

i do think that a lot of people want to believe the bullshit people like alex jones, and people like him, say because it fits their world view and they then don't have to think so hard about making choices or it's more entertaining or fun... 

so, er yeah.. 4chan .. 8 chan.. there's people who buy into all of it then go to a bbq and talk about it or have beers w/their conspiracy friends and talk about the latest post from Q-anon or whatever.. 

  On 3/17/2019 at 1:13 AM, MIXL2 said:

breitbart at all fucking using this to fuel more conspiracies is so infuriating... fuck

i wonder how many people read breitbart out of some "morbid curiosity" (here we go again) to see what "the other side" thinks and reads. and with that, only make it bigger.

thing about 4chan is that its an obvious cesspool with no pretensions other than almost complete freedom of speech. breitbart presents itself as rightwing journalism. which, arguably, could be more dangerous as it reaches a bigger and broader audience.

4chan is mostly a juvenile trolling thing with a couple of sad figures sticking to it well into their "adult" life. or what should be adult life.

i'd stay away from breitbart just as much as from 4chan.

  On 3/17/2019 at 8:45 AM, goDel said:

 

  On 3/17/2019 at 1:13 AM, MIXL2 said:

breitbart at all fucking using this to fuel more conspiracies is so infuriating... fuck

 

 

i wonder how many people read breitbart out of some "morbid curiosity" (here we go again) to see what "the other side" thinks and reads. and with that, only make it bigger.

 

thing about 4chan is that its an obvious cesspool with no pretensions other than almost complete freedom of speech. breitbart presents itself as rightwing journalism. which, arguably, could be more dangerous as it reaches a bigger and broader audience.

 

4chan is mostly a juvenile trolling thing with a couple of sad figures sticking to it well into their "adult" life. or what should be adult life.

 

i'd stay away from breitbart just as much as from 4chan.

oh boy

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/17/its-not-fair-to-blame-us-aisles-at-gun-city-are-busy-in-wake-of-christchurch-attack

lol @ needing semi-automatic rifles for sport. 

monkey wants to keep its banana.

My internet routine is pretty much watmm, BBC news, twitter (mainly for limmy and other funny people, no real politics). So I live quite a sheltered internet life. The 4chan link in this thread was the first time I'd been on there and I found it pretty shocking. They seem have collectively come up with their own mad racist patois? I don't really have a handle on how many really believe what they're saying and how many are being edgy because it's "funny", but it's fucked either way. My new neice is mixed race (black/white) and this has made me acutely aware of the monstrous shit people have hiding in their minds. The thought of someone saying this stuff to her... :(

^Same here. First time I’ve been on 4chan and that thread is absolutley vile.

  On 3/17/2019 at 10:39 AM, hello spiral said:

oh boy

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/17/its-not-fair-to-blame-us-aisles-at-gun-city-are-busy-in-wake-of-christchurch-attack

FFS.

One of my relatives (immediately in the wake of the shootings) ... you know, we are all reeling and in mourning for our country, and his first post on FB is basically "Oh no, they are going to take my semi-automatic guns away."  And the next 3 posts.  Horrified.  Social media: damaging families since ages ago.

How is 4Chan still a thing with content like that?

Becuz muh freeze peach

In the early '10s I worked with a few people who talked about spending time on 4chan, so took a quick glance, and lasted only seconds.

I can't handle shitposting, especially not on that sort of scale. Online places like that give me malnourished vibes.

  On 3/17/2019 at 1:26 PM, hello spiral said:

Becuz muh freeze peach

Right ... and that is something I don't understand. Free speech means *the government* can't prevent you from saying what you want. It does *not* mean private parties need to open up their own platforms to hate speech.

Facebook removing the Christchurch video is perfectly ok and it would also be perfectly ok for [4,8]chan's hosting provider to terminate their contract.

ITT WATMM Solves 4Chan/8Chan, Internet Free Speech, And Basically Fixes The World

  On 3/17/2019 at 10:39 AM, hello spiral said:

oh boy

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/17/its-not-fair-to-blame-us-aisles-at-gun-city-are-busy-in-wake-of-christchurch-attack

Was bound to happen. Americanization of the world. Except of course NZ might actually tighten it's gun laws and restrictions, a very un-American thing of course.

  On 3/17/2019 at 3:30 PM, rhmilo said:

 

  On 3/17/2019 at 1:26 PM, hello spiral said:

Becuz muh freeze peach

Right ... and that is something I don't understand. Free speech means *the government* can't prevent you from saying what you want. It does *not* mean private parties need to open up their own platforms to hate speech.

 

Facebook removing the Christchurch video is perfectly ok and it would also be perfectly ok for [4,8]chan's hosting provider to terminate their contract.

 

and it should also be perfectly ok for them to let 4chan use their services, which is what's happening

  On 3/17/2019 at 4:01 PM, auxien said:

ITT WATMM Solves 4Chan/8Chan, Internet Free Speech, And Basically Fixes The World

lol

Seeing so many people arguing in favor of government censorship considering who's in power in the USA, UK, and the rise of the far right overall, is... suprising to say the least

I feel that there used to be much more shock content in the mainstream internet before. People posting things like tubgirl and goatse over and over again in different boards and linking with false addresses. All the pedobear and similar questionable things was just mainstream stuff. When 9/11 went down there were jokes and memes going around very shortly. Lots of shit going also in IRC which was totally unmoderated. The whole internet felt wilder back then and now it's just tame corporate version with people mostly using social media services from giant corporations like Facebook that actually have some moderation guidelines and even slightly questionable or pornographic content gets you banned.

Coming from that background and remembering that time it's kind of hard to get upset about a site like 4chan even when I absolutely hate those alt-right fucks.

  On 3/17/2019 at 4:29 PM, mokz said:

...

Coming from that background and remembering that time it's kind of hard to get upset about a site like 4chan even when I absolutely hate those alt-right fucks.

This.

Funny how opposites attract. White racists can't deal with society turning less white, while the opposite side can't deal with racist content. Banning racist content really won't get rid of racism and all that.

O well, humanity is fucked anyways. 

  On 3/17/2019 at 4:01 PM, auxien said:

ITT WATMM Solves 4Chan/8Chan, Internet Free Speech, And Basically Fixes The World 

Point taken.

I absolutely refuse to click any links to 4chan, or any news journalism propaganda site filled with reactionary drivel.

The last two years I've feared that history would repeat itself because of a shocking number of those who apparently haven't learned it, even though I wasn't born until four decades after late WWII. But at the same time I can see that resistance to this bigotry and hatred is also widespread, which makes me slightly more optimistic. I think one of the main differences between 80 years ago and today is that the division today seems to attribute more to political firebrands throughout the internet (social media included) than physical borders. And the world wide web's founder Sir Tim-Berners Lee is acutely aware of it.

I don't know if that last paragraph made any sense. But I think these days it matters less where you're from, and more what you believe.

In the early to mid 2000’s, I used this forum called totse, which stands for Temple of the screaming electron. It had boards for just about anything, but it had sort of a underground, subculture, taboo thing going on. The users ranged from totally fucked up anarchist quasi homeless people to conservative yuppies to music snobs to fundamentalist Christians. I learned a ton about music and countless other subjects.

I miss that site, because it was like a pre-Facebook internet in its purest form, warts and all. It really showed the diversity of people’s views and backgrounds, minus today’s polarization.

  On 3/17/2019 at 4:29 PM, mokz said:

I feel that there used to be much more shock content in the mainstream internet before.

Everything's just ramped up in its specific area: mainstream has gotten more mainstream/vanilla, fringe has gotten fringier/nuttier, dark has gotten darker/extreme, and so on. Much like the whole of modern/western society, hand in hand, maybe the internet has exacerbated things irl or vice versa? I don't study this stuff, just observations. 

  On 3/17/2019 at 4:03 PM, span said:

Seeing so many people arguing in favor of government censorship considering who's in power in the USA, UK, and the rise of the far right overall, is... suprising to say the least

Yeah wasn't expecting that, but can't say I'm too surprised either. 

  On 3/17/2019 at 5:24 PM, rhmilo said:

 

  On 3/17/2019 at 4:01 PM, auxien said:

ITT WATMM Solves 4Chan/8Chan, Internet Free Speech, And Basically Fixes The World 

 

Point taken.

  nothing wrong with discussing on a forum of course, but the tone everyone was getting to seemed silly. 4/8chan is ugly but that's just the easily accessible tip of the iceberg y'all. There's much worse, no reason to pretend like it's not there or any of us can or should 'fix' it, imo. You can't 'fix' the human condition. 

  On 3/17/2019 at 5:29 PM, ambermonk said:

I absolutely refuse to click any links to 4chan, or any news journalism propaganda site filled with reactionary drivel.

I tend towards this generally. The currency of the internet is clicks, by simply visiting these things you're in some way supporting them, basically. Not saying everyone should just cordon off everything that isn't 100% safe, but maybe just never click a Breitbart link, ever, because they're known fearmongering trash? That's the sort of thing I do at least.

I'm also surprised at the number of people on here calling for censorship.

PLus I'm not sure if people actually know this, but hosting an imageboard is surprisingly resource-light. I remember reading an article about moot hosting 4chan on a few racks in his house. So who is going to shut him down? Maybe his ISP, but they'd definitely get sued for a lot of money.

4chan/8chan/voat/certain subreddits are gross vile places, filled mostly with people who rarely see daylight. Censoring them is not a solution to their ignorance and hatred.

no no i'm not asking for more censorship, i'm just asking for the internet to be shut down is all. 

very different!

i am backing up all my autechre memes on these zip discs, dont shut it off yet