2020 US Election

  On 3/24/2023 at 3:18 AM, Upset man said:

 

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i wonder if any of those farmers have regrets of having a bunch of ugly loser kids, not that they would, but it's certainly possible 

Indicted? 

not sure what the charges are yet but this is not the big one. just ny state getting him for the crime cohen did time for. will be interesting to see the unsealed indictment and charges. looks like trump org exec weiselberg may have flipped, there may be a couple other related charges

nice to see a state set the precedent. states indicting former presidents is much cleaner than feds indicting former presidents. 

but in this case the feds should and may. the one we are waiting for is the feds indicting him for his failed coup, probably the worst crime in american history

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/110114627876562286

  On 3/31/2023 at 12:54 AM, trying to be less rude said:

not sure what the charges are yet but this is not the big one. just ny state getting him for the crime cohen did time for. will be interesting to see the unsealed indictment and charges. looks like trump org exec weiselberg may have flipped, there may be a couple other related charges

 

nice to see a state set the precedent. states indicting former presidents is much cleaner than feds indicting former presidents. 

 

but in this case the feds should and may. the one we are waiting for is the feds indicting him for his failed coup, probably the worst crime in american history

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Yeah and georgia

  On 3/31/2023 at 1:04 AM, Nebraska said:

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/110114627876562286

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Hahaha shit “indicated”

  On 3/31/2023 at 1:10 AM, Upset man said:

Hahaha shit “indicated”

covfefe

I'm no lawyer, but Georgia seems like it would be easier to prosecute compared to Jan. 6th.  "We just need to find....   18,000 votes."  Oh okay fuckhead, brb gonna go check the lost and found at the polling stations across the state.

  On 3/31/2023 at 2:49 AM, randomsummer said:

covfefe

 

I'm no lawyer, but Georgia seems like it would be easier to prosecute compared to Jan. 6th.  "We just need to find....   18,000 votes."  Oh okay fuckhead, brb gonna go check the lost and found at the polling stations across the state.

the georgia case looks likely to result in indictment. the mar a lago documents case also does. i have a feeling that smith will bring an indictment for the coup, too. 

hopefully this makes the other "indicatedments" come more easily since the seal has been broken by the NYC DA w/the hush money case. what a fucking shitshow.. endless shit show. 

edit: also worth remembering this DA is the guy who took over for the previous DA who had worked hard on the case against trump for inflating the value of his assets and lying to the IRS and state tax agencies. two of the attorneys working on that in the DA office resigned in protest because according to them it was a solid case and perhaps a better one than this one the DA is going forward with. 

so, not putting on a tinfoil hat but sometimes things smell funny

"more than 30 counts related to business fraud" so i guess not the porn star

indictment to be unsealed in coming days

  On 3/31/2023 at 12:54 AM, trying to be less rude said:

his failed coup, probably the worst crime in american history

lol

  On 3/31/2023 at 4:26 AM, trying to be less rude said:

"more than 30 counts related to business fraud" so i guess not the porn star

 

indictment to be unsealed in coming days

I've been reading the number 34 counts being tossed around, but no actual evidence to back it up - the indictment is sealed so not sure where they are getting that number from.

Anyways:

And a decent summary of things here: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/manhattan-grand-jury-voted-whether-indict-trump-rcna73588

And Robert Reich provides a decent analysis of three criticisms that will likely come up here: https://robertreich.substack.com/p/trump-is-indicted

so now we wait...and wait...and wait...for this to get dragged out in the legal system for even longer. donnie's lawyers file appeals, or whatever they do to make this drag out more. this is where donnie's carny smarts prevail...have allowed him to survive all these years as a con man out in the open. twist the legal system around and around and around so everyone is so confused, meanwhile donald slips out the back door.

sadly, I don't think there will ever be true justice for what trump has done to America. you could argue if it wasn't him, would have been someone else of his ilk. that he was elevated through the disgruntled maga population, and if not donnie than someone else would have been in his place. but it wasn't someone else, it was trump. and he deserves to be hanged in public for the hatred/violence/bigotry he has sought to normalize in this country. but that won't happen. he'll never get the prison ass rapings or cartel style torture he deserves. instead, he could very well come back from all this, and eek out another term. zero lessons learned. modern day reality is such a fuckin trip man.

  On 3/31/2023 at 4:57 PM, zero said:

so now we wait...and wait...and wait...for this to get dragged out in the legal system for even longer. donnie's lawyers file appeals, or whatever they do to make this drag out more. this is where donnie's carny smarts prevail...have allowed him to survive all these years as a con man out in the open. twist the legal system around and around and around so everyone is so confused, meanwhile donald slips out the back door.

sadly, I don't think there will ever be true justice for what trump has done to America. you could argue if it wasn't him, would have been someone else of his ilk. that he was elevated through the disgruntled maga population, and if not donnie than someone else would have been in his place. but it wasn't someone else, it was trump. and he deserves to be hanged in public for the hatred/violence/bigotry he has sought to normalize in this country. but that won't happen. he'll never get the prison ass rapings or cartel style torture he deserves. instead, he could very well come back from all this, and eek out another term. zero lessons learned. modern day reality is such a fuckin trip man.

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it's quite clear that donald worked hard to help covid spread, consciously, to help set the stage for his coup. he was out there laying the pretext for contesting an election that hadn't happened yet, for months. one of the key narratives he employed was about mail-in ballots. he is the single biggest factor in a million americans dying unnecessarily and he did it deliberately. he should be in the hague for crimes against humanity. that would be justice

i'm just sitting here waiting for people to realize that.

  On 3/31/2023 at 7:21 PM, trying to be less rude said:

 

it's quite clear that donald worked hard to help covid spread,

wait till shit hits the fan on fauci & everyone at WHO and its global chain of command

  On 3/31/2023 at 3:30 AM, ignatius said:

two of the attorneys working on that in the DA office resigned in protest because according to them it was a solid case and perhaps a better one than this one the DA is going forward with.

trump's former attorney was found guilty and imprisoned for the same crime he's currently being indicted (indicated?) on and is also a key witness for his case

i agree it's not the strongest case though 

  On 3/31/2023 at 7:21 PM, trying to be less rude said:

 

it's quite clear that donald worked hard to help covid spread, consciously, to help set the stage for his coup.

no doubt he didn't give a fuck about people dying from covid, and his lack of taking it seriously led to unnecessary deaths. but based on some stats I loosely remember, wasn't his base (or R's) one of the groups dying more from it than his enemies, the dems? if he could have steered covid to spread anywhere, I would think it would have been to target the dem population, and let his brothers in arms survive so they could vote him back in. if he consciously spreads the rona to his base, then he loses soldiers for his coup, no?

sorry it wasn't exactly clear to me the correlation you were making. the coup (at least to me) seemed to come more out of desperation, rather than some machiavellian level scheming donald had concocted before the election occurred. trump chases the ball in whatever direction it goes in. then he lies/cheats/bribes to get his way, whenever the proverbial balls starts to veer away from the goal. maybe at one point a long time ago he had the scheming part more down pat, could see moves ahead. but he's stretched way too thin now, his mental capacity for that crap I think is gone. he's bull in the china shop donald now, a completely toxic stupid human being.

  On 4/1/2023 at 6:40 PM, zero said:

no doubt he didn't give a fuck about people dying from covid, and his lack of taking it seriously led to unnecessary deaths. but based on some stats I loosely remember, wasn't his base (or R's) one of the groups dying more from it than his enemies, the dems? if he could have steered covid to spread anywhere, I would think it would have been to target the dem population, and let his brothers in arms survive so they could vote him back in. if he consciously spreads the rona to his base, then he loses soldiers for his coup, no?

sorry it wasn't exactly clear to me the correlation you were making. the coup (at least to me) seemed to come more out of desperation, rather than some machiavellian level scheming donald had concocted before the election occurred. trump chases the ball in whatever direction it goes in. then he lies/cheats/bribes to get his way, whenever the proverbial balls starts to veer away from the goal. maybe at one point a long time ago he had the scheming part more down pat, could see moves ahead. but he's stretched way too thin now, his mental capacity for that crap I think is gone. he's bull in the china shop donald now, a completely toxic stupid human being.

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So now we can expect he’ll enter into that increasingly desperate kool-aid end stage jonestown Waco stuff with the “we destroy the deep state or it destroys us” speak he’s giving lately that he will try to get as many people to go down with him? I hope not but I wouldn’t doubt it. 

Does anyone think he’s “just talking” when he’s repeatedly calling us a third world country, saying the United States is now a dystopian wasteland that we should all be fighting to take back from the “animals” that are the left? He isn’t going to remain in control forever and I could easily see him trying to go out in a dramatic blaze of glory taking as many people with him. I hope I’m wrong but have you listened to the shit he’s saying lately? Dehumanizing the other side is a dangerous thing to do. He no doubt will not remain in control and when he loses that control, watch out. 

  On 4/1/2023 at 6:40 PM, zero said:

  On 3/31/2023 at 7:21 PM, trying to be less rude said:

 

it's quite clear that donald worked hard to help covid spread, consciously, to help set the stage for his coup.

no doubt he didn't give a fuck about people dying from covid, and his lack of taking it seriously led to unnecessary deaths. but based on some stats I loosely remember, wasn't his base (or R's) one of the groups dying more from it than his enemies, the dems? if he could have steered covid to spread anywhere, I would think it would have been to target the dem population, and let his brothers in arms survive so they could vote him back in. if he consciously spreads the rona to his base, then he loses soldiers for his coup, no?

sorry it wasn't exactly clear to me the correlation you were making. the coup (at least to me) seemed to come more out of desperation, rather than some machiavellian level scheming donald had concocted before the election occurred. trump chases the ball in whatever direction it goes in. then he lies/cheats/bribes to get his way, whenever the proverbial balls starts to veer away from the goal. maybe at one point a long time ago he had the scheming part more down pat, could see moves ahead. but he's stretched way too thin now, his mental capacity for that crap I think is gone. he's bull in the china shop donald now, a completely toxic stupid human being.

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of course it is difficult to deduce what is in someone's head. but also, in some cases, it can be possible to deduce what is in someone's head. many prosecutors do this as a routine part of their day, and there is a vast knowledgebase of established fact on how to do it, systematically and with high confidence aka certainty.

that dude doing his daily press conferences was one way to broadcast a whole lot of data about what was going on in his mind relating to various actions he took and decisions he made. unfortunately i was following things way too closely.

you're correct that his horrible job of a response to the pandemic served to hurt him. i'm not certain exactly how it came to be that he acted in a way resulting in about a million americans dying unnecessarily, but i know that he did act that way. 

the most charitable explanation i can conceive of is that he took a position of trolling the pandemic because he thought he wouldn't do a good job if he actually listened to health experts and it would be hard work and he'd just get criticized for not doing it well enough. so he decided to troll it. 

but even if that is the case, how do you separate the motivation from the action, when he is campaigning against the legitimacy of the election, before the election, and using mail-ins as his main pretext? how can you say that it would not be at least one of his motivations for continuing to do a bad job of a response?

so it was at least one of his reasons for helping corona to spread, such as by resisting demand to provide testing, tracing, and advise mask-wearing and social distancing. those instances of steadfast stonewalling against a solid consensus of health expert advice may have caused eight tenths of the death toll in the country, if we look at studies such as one by john hopkins which analyzed the impact of the federal response.  

i was watching those coronavirus press conferences. i was following all the shit. that dude knew what he was doing. just like he knew what he was doing when he contested an election before the votes were even counted. 

the question is now just: was this negligence primarily for the purpose of image? or was it primarily for the purpose of trying to break up the US government? if you're someone, like me, who sees the fingerprint of a compromised agent being used by russia to do as much damage as possible to the US and other adversaries of russia, then it's much more believable that his primary motive was to sew chaos and unrest. 

he let himself be maneuvered into a position where he needed to stay president. look what's happening now. he's being indicted from 4 angles. he was always compromised, he tried to lose in 2016. and then he just got more fucked because he kept doing worse stuff that would make him more motivated to stay in office no matter what.

he knew there was a chance he could lose and that wasn't ok with him. he needed to try to stay in no matter what.

on desantis

LOL