2020 US Election

  On 2/11/2020 at 7:03 PM, ignatius said:

bloomberg should run as a republican against trump. 

no republican primaries though

  On 2/11/2020 at 7:16 PM, goDel said:

no republican primaries though

oh right. doh. trump gets to run unopposed because we're in a ... democracy? 

bloomberg spent $275 million on ads so far. 

  On 2/11/2020 at 7:16 PM, goDel said:

no republican primaries though

an independent run might pan out to diluting Trump wins in some states but it's too risky, it'll be like the Dem equivalent to Bush and Dole losing due to Perot's runs in 92 and 96

Evan McMullin got 22% in Utah, with HRC and Trump at 27 and 45%

Indeed. I'm afraid Bloomberg might become a next Perot. One of those third party candidates which help keep Trump firm in his seat. Ironically.

On a tangent, I'm becoming a fan of this guy here. A "looks like and sounds like white trash, but got a mind of his own"-guy. He used to be a journalist covering international affairs, btw. In case you were wondering. He's no slouch.

  On 2/11/2020 at 7:25 PM, ignatius said:

oh right. doh. trump gets to run unopposed because we're in a ... democracy? 

bloomberg spent $275 million on ads so far. 

the gop decided against primaries in many states, actively precluding any challenge to dj trump

  On 2/11/2020 at 7:16 PM, goDel said:

no republican primaries though

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Iowa_Republican_caucuses

(i mean most states have canceled to just default to Trump but ahem *technically* there are some R primaries/caucuses happening)

very honest beat me to it but yeah, Trump's got it on lock

  On 2/11/2020 at 7:26 PM, joshuatxuk said:

it'll be like the Dem equivalent to Bush and Dole losing due to Perot's runs in 92 and 96

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-ross-perot-myth/

sorry to 'well, actually' y'all but.

that's just who i am, i can't help it. 

wait, is andrew yang out?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/02/11/andrew-yang-ends-his-campaign-presidency/2011104001/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/andrew-yang-drops-out-of-presidential-race/2020/02/11/4fe2c97c-4c2c-11ea-9b5c-eac5b16dafaa_story.html

wait yang wasn't a physical manifestation of reddit?

yeah he had 0 support. lmao at those chuds on twitter "yang is the ONLY one who can beat trump"

  On 2/12/2020 at 3:48 AM, dr lopez said:

yeah he had 0 1 supporter. 

fixt

I had a co-worker who liked Yang the most until a couple weeks ago until switching firmly to Bernie. I've seen a lot point to these self-proclaimed Trump supporting edgelords / gamers who said they'd vote for Yang for his 1k UBI promise but honestly it appears Yang was mostly appealing to well-meaning voters, younger folks in tech especially, who have only one foot in progressive politics and another in either past apathy or defacto libertarianism / centrism they are surrounded with. There isn't some huge Yang following but I feel many are going to go with Bernie.

  On 2/12/2020 at 3:48 AM, dr lopez said:

yeah he had 0 support. 

"no, I had 0 support" - Michael_Bennet

  On 2/12/2020 at 1:04 AM, auxien said:

 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-ross-perot-myth/

 

sorry to 'well, actually' y'all but.

that's just who i am, i can't help it. 

 

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I can't watch the vid right now but poking around I stand corrected, sort of. Perot drew a lot of previous apathetic voters and got a lot of Clinton and Bush supporters. It's not 100% but yeah I agree Clinton would have still probably won. 

The 1912 election was a split vote spoiler though right? Democrat Wilson won that easily with the opposition splitting into Republicans and Progressives. That and socialist Debbs chipping away 6% total.

i listened to an interview with noam chomsky recently where he said bernie is going to get some serious attacks from both the established democrats (and the media) and the republicans. things are about to get bumpy unless those undecided voters switch over to pete or klobuchar.

would also be nice of goddess williamson endorses bernie

Are you sure he said that as Noam cannot be understood with the human ear. 

If Bernie wins he better do a damn good job or we are going to end up with a Carter thing and maybe an even more extreme republican swing the other way. It would be great if Bernie won but he won't get much done with the gridlock we have

is it over yet? 

south carolina is kinda the true test though.  maybe nevada but more so south carolina. 

it could come down to bloomberg and bernie. hard to see how boot edge edge can get support in south carolina.

  On 2/12/2020 at 5:37 AM, marf said:

Are you sure he said that as Noam cannot be understood with the human ear. 

bernie sanders is unstoppable

he won Iowa in terms of popular vote

he won New Hampshire

hes going to win Nevada

hes going to win South Carolina

hes going to beat Trump

hes going to be President

I can't blame Noam for his pessimism since he has seen a million conservative democrats and republicans take office since the 30s. If I were constantly let down for over 90 years I would be very wary as well. IDK if Bernie could beat Trump if he gets nominated, but I do know for sure that he would do better than pretty much every other democrat gunning for the presidency.

If he does get nominated, then I am curious to see how the "liberal media" will turn on him. I REALLY hope I'm dead wrong about that, but I just can't imagine the likes of CNN getting behind Bernie, ever. If they do then my mind will be blown. The only incentive for them I can think of to get behind Bernie, is that many  corporate democrats will get seats in the house/senate/whatever.

  On 2/12/2020 at 7:36 AM, Zeffolia said:

bernie sanders is unstoppable

he won Iowa in terms of popular vote

he won New Hampshire

hes going to win Nevada

hes going to win South Carolina

hes going to beat Trump

hes going to be President

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  On 2/12/2020 at 8:08 AM, Brisbot said:

I can't blame Noam for his pessimism since he has seen a million conservative democrats and republicans take office since the 30s. If I were constantly let down for over 90 years I would be very wary as well. IDK if Bernie could beat Trump if he gets nominated, but I do know for sure that he would do better than pretty much every other democrat gunning for the presidency.

If he does get nominated, then I am curious to see how the "liberal media" will turn on him. I REALLY hope I'm dead wrong about that, but I just can't imagine the likes of CNN getting behind Bernie, ever. If they do then my mind will be blown. The only incentive for them I can think of to get behind Bernie, is that many  corporate democrats will get seats in the house/senate/whatever.

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cnn has been trashing bernard all day

  On 2/12/2020 at 8:29 AM, Zeffolia said:

cnn has been trashing bernard all day

oh yeah I know. I mean I haven't seen any of it, but I already know. It's basically something that can go unsaid now. Fox News appeals to conservatives, and CNN pretends to be liberal. They only time they have treated him well is in the interim between his campaigns.

But during its: "Why would you vote for a million year old socialist? Did you know that socialism killed lots of people in country X, Y, and Z? Also, He so ugly. And since when is policy important in an election? *SIGH* wish we could find a centrist with the charisma of President Obama to latch onto..."

  On 2/12/2020 at 8:38 AM, Brisbot said:

oh yeah I know. I mean I haven't seen any of it, but I already know. It's basically something that can go unsaid now. Fox News appeals to conservatives, and CNN pretends to be liberal. They only time they have treated him well is in the interim between his campaigns.

But during its: "Why would you vote for a million year old socialist? Did you know that socialism killed lots of people in country X, Y, and Z? Also, He so ugly. And since when is policy important in an election? *SIGH* wish we could find a centrist with the charisma of President Obama to latch onto..."

no cnn is liberal. thats why they hate bernard.  liberals are petite bourgeois reactionaries

Btw feel I should mention, it's great Bernie won, but he won by quite a lot in 2016: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_New_Hampshire_Democratic_primary

  On 2/12/2020 at 8:54 AM, Zeffolia said:

no cnn is liberal. thats why they hate bernard.  liberals are petite bourgeois reactionaries

Well I just think of that as "American Liberalism". But are centrists/borderline conservative in other first world countries. TBH it's probably not helpful to use all these labels since they mean very different things to different people. I think of them as conservatives because to me they are to the right of me by a decent amount. But Republicans in Texas think CNN pushes socialism, which is laughable.