2020 US Election

not only are liberals sad, they are the biggest impediment to the unchaining of the workers, even bigger so than the conservative who can be defeated on ideological grounds.  the liberal lives in a world of feelings and personality impressions, disconnected from the material conditions of the greater society and internally unattached to any particular alignment of intent.  they worship capital and grovel to billionaires, thinking things can't be done.  they could be done if it wasn't for liberals appropriating the left political position

flol

  On 3/4/2020 at 3:38 AM, caze said:

there's no such thing as 'free' health care, or college

and Bernie's policies will make both more expensive.

jesus christ

biden cleaning up so far. very interesting

I thought there was a general rule in life about never "going full retard".

  On 3/4/2020 at 3:38 AM, caze said:

there's no such thing as 'free' health care, or college

and Bernie's policies will make both more expensive.

hard to imagine my $14,000 a month cancer medication being more expensive. 

  On 3/4/2020 at 3:52 AM, Hugh Mughnus said:

I thought there was a general rule in life about never "going full retard".

it's sort of like never crossing the streams.. you only do it when you're out of options. 

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caze you are completely ignorant about the facts.  bernie is paying for medicare for all through a combination of taxes on the rich and taxes on everyone, with most of it being covered by taxes on the rich.  and the net costs will go down since a large cost center - the health insurance industry which only exists to suck profits from the healthcare industry through arbitrage across time - is being completely eliminated.  i guess you think poor people just deserve to die or go bankrupt?

  On 3/4/2020 at 3:53 AM, ignatius said:

hard to imagine my $14,000 a month cancer medication being more expensive. 

you've obviously not got a great imagination, nor paid much attention to world events over the last 50 years. debt spirals are a thing, inflation is a thing.

  On 3/4/2020 at 3:57 AM, caze said:

you've obviously not got a great imagination, nor paid much attention to world events over the last 50 years. debt spirals are a thing, inflation is a thing.

so are price gouging and greed. same drug in canada is like $6k a year. 

additionally, how the fuck is it cheaper to let everyone be unhealthy all the time? you realize that sucks away productivity of the wage slaves right? you realize routine preventative care, which many people do not have access to, is cheaper than treating issues after they fully develop?

where are the net extra costs coming from? treating more people who otherwise wouldn't be? you think that's where we should cut costs, letting them die to save money for... someone?

  On 3/4/2020 at 3:58 AM, ignatius said:

so are price gouging and greed. same drug in canada is like $6k a year. 

maybe the US should try implementing Canada's health system then? there are lots of ways to fix the broken US system, M4A is not one of them.

  On 3/4/2020 at 3:31 AM, auxien said:

yup. it shows the people are afraid of 2 things: Trump, and socialism.

pEoPlE feAR wHaT thEY dOn'T UndERStaNd

  On 3/4/2020 at 4:00 AM, caze said:

maybe the US should try implementing Canada's health system then? there are lots of ways to fix the broken US system, M4A is not one of them.

fine. we can change the name and call it Canada for All. problem solved. 

it's worth mentioning that any of sanders' plans would have to go through congress. even if democrats won both houses of congress any plan is going to be changed, watered down, amended etc. however, i think starting with a high bar .. a high bid.. the going from there, is the way to go when dealing w/congress. the affordable care act started off as way more comprehensive including a public option. 

  On 3/4/2020 at 3:57 AM, ignatius said:

it's sort of like never crossing the streams.. you only do it when you're out of options. 

US healthcare is ridiculously fucked I think we can both agree on that... I can't believe life saving treatment is that expensive... 

  On 3/4/2020 at 4:00 AM, ignatius said:

fine. we can change the name and call it Canada for All. problem solved. 

the name isn't the problem, it's the policy detail. the Canadian system is nothing like Bernie's plan.

i dont care how much it fucking costs, i'd sooner seize every mansion, yacht, luxury car, and every billionaire's wealth, than sit by with this bullshit any longer.  actual humans are sick of neolibs who are themselves disconnected from the reality of the effects of the economic policies they want

  On 3/4/2020 at 4:02 AM, caze said:

the name isn't the problem, it's the policy detail. the Canadian system is nothing like Bernie's plan.

see my above post. i see bernie's plans as a negotiating tactic. start w/a high bid. compromise. it's the way of the world and the way of gov't. 

  On 3/4/2020 at 4:04 AM, ignatius said:

see my above post. i see bernie's plans as a negotiating tactic. start w/a high bid. compromise. it's the way of the world and the way of gov't. 

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/sanders-splits-aoc-medicare-for-all-already-compromise-town-hall-2020-2-1028920152

>But my view is that Medicare for All, the bill that we wrote, is in a sense already a compromise. It is a four-year transition period

  On 3/4/2020 at 4:02 AM, Zeffolia said:

i dont care how much it fucking costs, i'd sooner seize every mansion, yacht, luxury car, and every billionaire's wealth, than sit by with this bullshit any longer.  actual humans are sick of neolibs who are themselves disconnected from the reality of the effects of the economic policies they want

lol.  fight the power zeff

I'm loving this idea that you think I'm the one who's divorced from reality, you couldn't make this shit up. I find it hard to believe you're a real person. Maybe you're just a kid and don't know any better.

  On 3/4/2020 at 4:04 AM, ignatius said:

see my above post. i see bernie's plans as a negotiating tactic. start w/a high bid. compromise. it's the way of the world and the way of gov't. 

if that's all it is then it's a very shit negotiating tactic, would remind me of the Brits trying to negotiate with the EU. Bernie and most of his hardcore support don't see it as a tactic though. they genuinely think it's a good plan. lol. also, the other candidates have better plans, and they won't need to negotiate with their own party to get them through as long as they win the senate.

  On 3/4/2020 at 4:08 AM, Zeffolia said:

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/sanders-splits-aoc-medicare-for-all-already-compromise-town-hall-2020-2-1028920152

>But my view is that Medicare for All, the bill that we wrote, is in a sense already a compromise. It is a four-year transition period

yeah i know what he wants and believes but the reality of it is different. congress isn't going to pass something like that w/o leaving its claw marks on it. 

  On 3/4/2020 at 4:10 AM, caze said:

  

lol.  fight the power zeff

I'm loving this idea that you think I'm the one who's divorced from reality, you couldn't make this shit up. I find it hard to believe you're a real person. Maybe you're just a kid and don't know any better.

this is a funny post coming from someone who ignored everything i said and instead only insulted me.  at least i put substance around my insults

fucking flol

for the lulz

  On 3/4/2020 at 4:15 AM, caze said:

 

fucking flol

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can't wait to laugh at this posted again in a a year or two when he croaks

edit: Bloomberg stating he's going to 'reassess' his run tomorrow. so, he's dropping out as soon as it looks like Bernie's lost it. pretty much expected i guess?