2020-2029

I'm surprised we haven't been launching trash out into space for decades.  Send excrement up there too from those places where it's overflowing and causing all sorts of nastiness.  Why didn't Bill Gates consult me about that problem?  I've had the answer forever.

  On 10/28/2019 at 11:00 PM, zero said:

Completely agree. Culturally, the 1950's - 1990's are so clearly delineated when we think of them. Pop culture from each decade was pretty unique to that time period, and almost instantly recognizable when we absorb it now. 

I think it's globalization & the internet's fault that pop culture from 2001 - 2019 is just one big soulless, confused, unoriginal mess...

This is exactly how I feel. I think about this a lot. There seems zero definition between pop culture between  2001 -2019. I also thought it might just be me as that’s when perhaps I hit a certain age when perhaps I wasn’t as immersed and on the ball as I was in the 90’s. The early part of the 2000’s is pretty great music tbh. But there seems to exist somewhere in time when a sink hole appears and everything starts sliding fast into an abyss.

Or maybe I’m just being a grumpy cunt?

The year is 2028.

There has been a backlash to the internet. 5G fails, stocks and shares plummet.

Instead, everyone starts talking to their neighbous again and meeting at pubs.  Everyone is happier.

For a while.

But then..

A huge magnetic space pulse (solar flare or something like that) wipes out power grids across the world.  Mobile phone networks collapse.  Governments falter.

Civil unrest, looting, wars.

Only the dark web still exists.

watmm is exist.

  On 10/29/2019 at 5:35 AM, beer badger said:

This is exactly how I feel. I think about this a lot. There seems zero definition between pop culture between  2001 -2019. I also thought it might just be me as that’s when perhaps I hit a certain age when perhaps I wasn’t as immersed and on the ball as I was in the 90’s. The early part of the 2000’s is pretty great music tbh. But there seems to exist somewhere in time when a sink hole appears and everything starts sliding fast into an abyss.

Or maybe I’m just being a grumpy cunt?

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This.

Some good examples of disenculturement in here.

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  On 10/29/2019 at 5:35 AM, beer badger said:

But there seems to exist somewhere in time when a sink hole appears and everything starts sliding fast into an abyss.

hard to pin point when exactly, but in the 00's when online culture started becoming huge, is when I'd say the sink hole first appeared. I'd even say it might be 2007 - when the iPhone was released - leading to the acceleration of mobile internet and resulting in everyone starring at their mobile device all the time, that could be the tipping point.

and yeah, I get the grumpy old man irony of pointing a finger at the rise of the internet & online culture while posting on an online forum...

To me it seems like the '10s were a dystopian sci-fi remake of the '00s.

i get this feel u guys have but idk, maybs is because I'm much younger but there's a clear cut difference between 00s and 10s in internet culture especially from my pov, maybe not so much outward pop culture tho

yeah if 2000-2020 "pop culture" is mostly defined by the emergence and dominance of internet culture (which I think it is) there is a huge difference between 2000-2010 and 2010-2020.

2000-2010 (and even earlier) is characterized by a processing, rendering and distillation of the previous 30 years of history through a new set of digital tools available to tech savy internet posters. I'm thinking about GI joe re-edits, all your base photoshops, youtube poops, ytmnd etc. all "funny" stuff referencing an established, collectively shared "pop culture" 

2010-2020 is when women started to log on to the internet and it became not funny and suddenly we had to "be nice" to each other and "punch up" and "not call each other retard faggots" and they took porn off watmm

  On 10/28/2019 at 11:37 PM, Zephyr_Nova said:

*please chime in here, 25-and-under watmmers. (also wtf are you doing on this forum devoted to a geezer genre?)

Well, they obviously have good taste in music!

00 to 10 is when internet (the biggest evolution factor from 00 to 20) was still parallel to real life and a choice, 10 to 20 is when internet has become a necessity for real life (of course I'm talking 1st world only) and they turned to the same thing.

As previously said, in my opinion this begun with the iPhone in 2007/08 but it took 2 or 3 years to take off completely, as more and more people got a hold of a smartphone and instant internet access with it.

2007 seems about correct, that’s when everything turned murky. 
 

  On 10/29/2019 at 3:37 PM, MIXL2 said:

i get this feel u guys have but idk, maybs is because I'm much younger but there's a clear cut difference between 00s and 10s in internet culture especially from my pov, maybe not so much outward pop culture tho

yeah im under 25 and i think if i strain hard enough with my horrible memory i can just about make a tiny case for there being differences at the crossover point of the end of the decade (actually i think im mainly thinking from 2005-2015)

i reckon my generation was the last generation to grow up to about 15/16 before getting inundated with technology. the kids born after (born in 1999ish) are basically on their fuckin phones since 8-9 maybe 10, and even less, their attention span is undoubtedly fucked from the get go and everyone became straight retarded, constantly looking for their next fix of dopamine from a stupid vine or meme playlist on youtube, the people who they idolise (post malone, cardi b, ariana grande, miley etc) have such a powerful way to manipulate young people nowdays because of insta/twitter (oh let me just post a vid to 50 million followers averaging probably around age 15 of me smokin a joint slurring my words to be absolutely incomprehensible with the only intelligible bits being "we out here!" and "y'already know what it is") and i cba to look at the graphs atm but around 2k10/11 was probably around when insta and twitter started getting big enough to not be ignored

kids before who were hanging about on the internet didnt have these immediate, perpetual scrolling type ways of navigating, they had forums like this, youtube (which was a lot easier to have a sense of community back then because people would follow everything certain top youtubers did, failblog type compilation vids where u get ur fix of dopamine every couple seconds didnt start till like 2k9), and MMORPGs like WoW, Guild Wars and runescape, which was absolute prime time golden era according to basically every comments section on every youtube video from that era of games

now remember, this is only pertaining to internet culture, which was, back in 2006ish, an undoubtedly smaller part of society than it is today, and i think today because of the proliferation of data and a time where communication globally is instantaneous, from now onwards i think its going to be hard separating "internet culture" and anything else regarding what BoomTss said in the OP, (art, politics, fashion etc) just because its become so embedded in our daily lives, and is embedded in the even younger lives starting at 5-6. they are carrying the torch but its raining outside and its quite windy, so the torch is more likely to be extinguished, we have to move closer to the torch so as to block the wind

postmodernisms influence and the dilution of meaning what salv said on the other page seems to me quite prescient too

also would like to end that i KNOW pop culture itself is by definition whats going to appeal to the masses and be easily consumed, but with social media platforms exponentially growing from like 2k11 onwards people got real easy access to it

and another tiny note, people seem to have gotten a lot more accepting, which inevitably means we are going to get more snowflakes and pc gone mad stuff

I know this thread is supposed to be about 2020-2029 and we're mostly discussing 2000-2019 but fuck it, here's another digression.

I feel that internet everywhere & everything being posted online has taken away the excitement of travelling to another city. I mean I can use google street view to wander around, can click on any bar/restaurant to see pictures inside, the menu, etc., can read other peoples trip reports, can watch recent videos showing people mulling about, starring at their phones, and looking exactly like everyone in every other city. After doing that, I'm like...that's it? Why spend the money to go to there, when looking at buildings/streetscapes, going to tourist spots, restaurants, and seeing what people are doing there is part of the appeal of going to visit a different city. Maybe it's just me, but I find now I'm less interested in going to see some of the big cities of the world and would rather go to somewhere more remote.

The Roaring 20’s. Time to head down to the speakeasy with some flapper ho’s. brb

  On 10/29/2019 at 4:10 PM, Ginerpri said:

00 to 10 is when internet (the biggest evolution factor from 00 to 20) was still parallel to real life and a choice, 10 to 20 is when internet has become a necessity for real life (of course I'm talking 1st world only) and they turned to the same thing.

As previously said, in my opinion this begun with the iPhone in 2007/08 but it took 2 or 3 years to take off completely, as more and more people got a hold of a smartphone and instant internet access with it.

Yeah, I guess I have to agree that the ubiquitousness of internet is one big difference between the '00s and 2010s. In '90s having internet made you a nerd, '00s it became useful to have it because it made communication easier but in 2010s you are basically required to have it to be able to function as a part of the society. In '00s it was still feasible to be cut out of the internet for a few weeks without major implications but now if you get cut out even for a few days the problems start to accumulate fast, like not being able to pay for things or get public transport tickets, etc and you get isolated from everybody. Everything revolves around the internet services provided by private companies, including your family life. Also streaming all media and storing your personal things in a cloud instead of locally on your computer is a key difference. And now every-fucking-thing has an app for it.

I think the anonymous geeky internet of old may have some sort of come back. how many streaming services are people actually gonna pay for before they start torrenting massively again and fuck them all off. Social media could have it's day from either regulations or people getting sick of shit. 

Continuing with the technology tangent some things that I think are decade defining for 2010s and when they appeared: iPhone 2007, Netflix starts streaming service 2007, Soundcloud 2007, Spotify 2008, Android 2008, Whatsapp 2009, Instagram 2010

Maybe up for next decade: electric cars become more popular than the gasoline variety, self-driving vehicles start to appear on the streets in the latter part of the decade, home automation merges with the internet (think remotely controlled locks, a/c, lighting, etc). Probably some unexpected uses of AI. But VR and AR still not going mainstream, lol.

  On 10/29/2019 at 3:37 PM, MIXL2 said:

i get this feel u guys have but idk, maybs is because I'm much younger but there's a clear cut difference between 00s and 10s in internet culture especially from my pov, maybe not so much outward pop culture tho

There's definitely a distinction in internet memes and people ordering things, but that's mostly because the smart phone wasn't ubiquitous until around 2011/12. Sheer numbers changed the culture on the internet.

I definitely think technology will have it's schism because people will tire of how consuming/distracting/debilitating it's become. I'm hoping there will be a collective (withstanding) decision to cold turkey mobile and social media. Currently, when i think of the future, i think about those photos of public transit or restaurants where literally everyone is staring at a device, even the toddler. It's dystopian and surely bad for grey matter. Could you imagine growing up without developing depth perception? Same as the global environment: the world's realizing they can't just keep talking about it

With the last decade pushing popular music into the hinterlands, i could see producers running out of room for novel ideas and perhaps charting with non-chromatic and non-4/4 songs. It's just a matter of everything's been done before so what's next. I'd even be interested (happy?) to see acid house or jungle start lending it's textures to american pop. Interesting video here about contemporary music moving away from melody towards texture and rhythm, which could be an indicator of trend. Will electronic dance music impact the late 20's like it did the late 80's, 90's, and 00's?

I'm certain that styles of decades past will begin coming back around. There's that rule of fashion taking 20ish years to cycle and i don't think i'm ready to see the 2000's coming back in that sense lol. Not only was it pretty ugly, but i'm not ready to feel that old at age 26. This year's permeation of streetwear alone was a bit much

Also no offense but death to marvel and dc films

  On 10/29/2019 at 1:57 PM, MIXL2 said:

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  On 10/29/2019 at 6:22 PM, Candiru said:

The Roaring 20’s. Time to head down to the speakeasy with some flapper ho’s. brb

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  On 10/29/2019 at 5:39 PM, zero said:

I feel that internet everywhere & everything being posted online has taken away the excitement of travelling to another city. I mean I can use google street view to wander around, can click on any bar/restaurant to see pictures inside, the menu, etc., can read other peoples trip reports, can watch recent videos showing people mulling about, starring at their phones, and looking exactly like everyone in every other city. After doing that, I'm like...that's it? Why spend the money to go to there, when looking at buildings/streetscapes, going to tourist spots, restaurants, and seeing what people are doing there is part of the appeal of going to visit a different city. Maybe it's just me, but I find now I'm less interested in going to see some of the big cities of the world and would rather go to somewhere more remote.

imo.. big cities are much more weird and diverse and chaotic than can be previewed through screens.   More so on the scale of the globe (visiting another culture/language).  I do understand your point that there is a creeping sameness in how they are marketed to visitors, but when i pay attention to details im always surprised by the utter weirdness and creativity that are humans / culture.  The natural world is also mind bogglingly diverse tho..

  On 10/29/2019 at 6:22 PM, Candiru said:

The Roaring 20’s. Time to head down to the speakeasy with some flapper ho’s.

Was watching this trailer ironically, but it doesn't look horrible, might watch. Cagney and Bogey, a nice pairing. Plus that Lane dame's a dime. Yowza!