George Floyd and the emergent momentum of revolutionary masses

^^ yeah, i was reacting to that news not helping with the current situation and the possible fallout that could come with it. 

  On 5/31/2020 at 4:16 AM, auxien said:

^lot of black people online not happy with that killer mike speech. i'm white as fuck so i ain't trying to speak for no one but me, but 'try to be polite don't burn down your community and vote' isn't bad advice in general of course, but i think maybe it's not speaking to the pain and rage a lot of people are feeling right now? 

also fuck you for making me post in a Zeff thread. these are the worst. 

Reacting by burning buildings down won’t help anyone get elected besides Trump. That plays into his hands. Go to the voting booth and give him the medieval red hot poker treatment. 

  On 5/31/2020 at 5:03 AM, very honest said:

russians were working for 1000k US/month at the IRA troll farm in saint petersburg as of a couple years ago, and i understand they're outsourcing a lot of that work to SE asia, now. hardly a "secret russian agent." another strawman, i don't think you're a secret russian agent, zeff. for all i know someone fed you lore about borking america and you think you're doing god's work.

i asked where you get your info, what country you're from, and if you're coordinating with others. seems like you should be able to answer those. did someone somewhere suggest to you to spread this messaging that you're posting here? telling americans to go out and fight the cops?

you're starting to look crazy from my perspective dude, sorry to say it

  On 5/31/2020 at 5:29 AM, Candiru said:

Reacting by burning buildings down won’t help anyone get elected besides Trump. That plays into his hands. Go to the voting booth and give him the medieval red hot poker treatment. 

"go to the voting booth" ya its the peoples fault for not being good enough to deserve to have their papers counted right in the way that gives them a good government, ok

electoralism is a farce the will NEVER let us vote them away, why aren't you getting that? dont you see that even completely peaceful protests are having chemical weapons shot at them out of guns and being beaten by fucking cops? THIS IS A FUCKING  P O L I C E    S T A T E  ITS TOO FUCKING LATE TO VOTE THINGS BETTER

  On 5/31/2020 at 5:39 AM, Zeffolia said:

you're starting to look crazy from my perspective dude, sorry to say it

zeff you're nuttier than elephant shit. but this latest thread has me wondering so i'm just asking. i'm genuinely curious about your info sources, and whether anyone has been suggesting to you that you spread this kind of stuff. and i seem to recall you're from russia or something? did i imagine that? honestly curious. you're over in some other country trying to escalate a precarious situation in america. it might bring color to the conversation if we know where you're typing from.

https://mobile.twitter.com/pgarapon/status/1266885414016688134

https://mobile.twitter.com/pgarapon/status/1266885414016688134

https://mobile.twitter.com/pgarapon/status/1266885414016688134

https://mobile.twitter.com/pgarapon/status/1266885414016688134

https://mobile.twitter.com/pgarapon/status/1266885414016688134

https://mobile.twitter.com/pgarapon/status/1266885414016688134

  On 5/31/2020 at 5:43 AM, very honest said:

zeff you're nuttier than elephant shit. but this latest post has me wondering so i'm just asking. i'm genuinely curious about your info sources, and whether anyone has been suggesting to you that you spread this kind of stuff. and i seem to recall you're from russia or something? did i imagine that? honestly curious. you're over in some other country trying to escalate a precarious situation in america. it might bring color to conversation if we know where you're typing from.

*hello this is putin*

*please tell that one guy to make posts on watmm*

*its essential for the plans*

"its the people pointing it out not the police"

meanwhile police:

https://mobile.twitter.com/nataliealund/status/1266877181164089349

  On 5/31/2020 at 5:29 AM, Candiru said:

Reacting by burning buildings down won’t help anyone get elected besides Trump. That plays into his hands. Go to the voting booth and give him the medieval red hot poker treatment. 

if you think Trump is the main issue here then you're near about clueless, dude.

  On 5/31/2020 at 5:51 AM, auxien said:

if you think Trump is the main issue here then you're near about clueless, dude.

I think what he is saying is that inner city violence only makes the people who voted for Trump in the first place more scared and liable to attach themselves to a demagogue like Trump who will convince them that he can control "those people". Maybe maybe not true but if anything this does give an excuse to people on the far right to label liberals as violent and unstable

  On 5/31/2020 at 5:51 AM, auxien said:

if you think Trump is the main issue here then you're near about clueless, dude.

Lol, no. This is something he can point to to rile up his audience and beyond. This plays differently than you think to more people than you think. It also distracts from him getting Dana Boente fired and his covid-19 response as a "look at what those leftists do" reaction. You don't have to agree with that point of view to realize what is being capitalized upon here. 

"LIGHT EM UP" -some pig

cops cosplaying military and pretending theyre playing COD irl shooting paint balls at people on their own property

if you don't realize we live in a police state at this point, sorry, idk wtf to tell you

https://twitter.com/tkerssen/status/1266921821653385225

  On 5/31/2020 at 6:02 AM, Candiru said:

Lol, no. This is something he can point to to rile up his audience and beyond. This plays differently than you think to more people than you think. It also distracts from him getting Dana Boente fired and his covid-19 response as a "look at what those leftists do" reaction. You don't have to agree with that point of view to realize what is being capitalized upon here. 

 

this just in, fascists demonize anti-fascist activism and it appeals to other fascists

  On 5/31/2020 at 6:08 AM, Zeffolia said:

"LIGHT EM UP" -some pig

cops cosplaying military and pretending theyre playing COD irl shooting paint balls at people on their own property

if you don't realize we live in a police state at this point, sorry, idk wtf to tell you

https://twitter.com/tkerssen/status/1266921821653385225

"we"? you're not american. did you forget you're on watmm where we know that?

"lets just knock down elderly men with our shields" -cops

https://mobile.twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1266908354821206016

  On 5/31/2020 at 6:12 AM, very honest said:

"we"? you're not american. did you forget you're on watmm where we know that?

ok if youre doing some kind of weird humor its boring, and if youre not, then idk wtf youre talking about.  ive only ever lived in the US

  On 5/31/2020 at 5:59 AM, willochill said:

I think what he is saying is that inner city violence only makes the people who voted for Trump in the first place more scared and liable to attach themselves to a demagogue like Trump who will convince them that he can control "those people". Maybe maybe not true but if anything this does give an excuse to people on the far right to label liberals as violent and unstable

can't let some peoples reactions dictate your own feelings and choices on how to demonstrate those feelings tho.

  On 5/31/2020 at 6:02 AM, Candiru said:

Lol, no. This is something he can point to to rile up his audience and beyond. This plays differently than you think to more people than you think. It also distracts from him getting Dana Boente fired and his covid-19 response as a "look at what those leftists do" reaction. You don't have to agree with that point of view to realize what is being capitalized upon here. 

obviously that's happening, yes. he would've done that and riled up his supporters either way. America/the world doesn't revolve around Trump, as much as it may seem like it these days. there's always someone who's going to capitalize on anything going on. fucking NFL is trying to 'sympathize' without actually showing real sympathy ofc, ffs. 

all that doesn't mean people shouldn't protest just because it could go badly (in many places it is not going badly, obviously in some places it is going very badly). some feel the need to peacefully protest, some feel the need to destructively protest. America was built by and has been sustained upon both of these. sometimes you have to throw the tea into the river and tell your old world rulers to go fuck themselves, you're not gonna pay their taxes.

*edit: of course long term destructive protest is not encouraged, necessarily. but we have to acknowledge that at times it may be a path forward, as counter-intuitive as it may seem logically. the world is not run on logic alone

  On 5/31/2020 at 6:14 AM, Zeffolia said:

"lets just knock down elderly men with our shields" -cops

https://mobile.twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1266908354821206016

Zeff we've already posted literally all of these in the HDTWVATD thread.

  On 5/31/2020 at 6:15 AM, auxien said:

can't let some peoples reactions dictate your own feelings and choices on how to demonstrate those feelings tho.

obviously that's happening, yes. he would've done that and riled up his supporters either way. America/the world doesn't revolve around Trump, as much as it may seem like it these days. there's always someone who's going to capitalize on anything going on. fucking NFL is trying to 'sympathize' without actually showing real sympathy ofc, ffs. 

all that doesn't mean people shouldn't protest just because it could go badly (in many places it is not going badly, obviously in some places it is going very badly). some feel the need to peacefully protest, some feel the need to destructively protest. America was built by and has been sustained upon both of these. sometimes you have to throw the tea into the river and tell your old world rulers to go fuck themselves, you're not gonna pay their taxes.

 

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I agree, you can argue whether or not violent protest is more or less productive than peaceful protest but like it or not both forms are going to keep happening as long as incidents like this keep happening, the police need to wake up to that fact, personally I don't think that violent protest is ideal but it's better than no protest at all. To be clear I wasn't arguing that we shouldn't protest because some far righters are going to hate inner city liberals even more, those people are the kind of people who would probably vote Trump no matter what anyway. But it doesn't make the political situation any better

  On 5/31/2020 at 6:15 AM, auxien said:

Zeff we've already posted literally all of these in the HDTWVATD thread.

shit.  please close this thread then cops mods

Come on with the locusts.

  On 5/31/2020 at 6:26 AM, whosebrian said:

Come on with the locusts.

Noah, get the boat. 

  On 5/31/2020 at 6:14 AM, Zeffolia said:

  On 5/31/2020 at 6:12 AM, very honest said:

"we"? you're not american. did you forget you're on watmm where we know that?

ok if youre doing some kind of weird humor its boring, and if youre not, then idk wtf youre talking about.  ive only ever lived in the US

i may have mixed you up with someone else. a lot of countries represented here. plus you post a lot of marxist/leninist shit. and i asked you 3 times in this thread what country you're from and you didn't answer.

you called me crazy for mentioning the IRA troll farm. that's the internet research agency, an operation run out of st petersberg by a guy named Yevgeny Prigozhin, known as putin's chef. it's a real thing. here's an interview with a paid russian troll, one of many who post shit using fake accounts, largely aimed at duping americans, according to putin's objectives. 

still curious on your info sources. care to share with us? where you got got the narrative about a need to overthrow a police state? seriously, it's relevant.

there is not "a police state." at least not yet. governors control the states. trump is seizing on the unrest. by provoking unrest, you give trump the ability to send the military in. see what i mean? see how that works? there are agent provocateurs and fraudulent trolls stoking this. people need to be chill and to record suspicious stuff. fighting cops is not going to help anyone. we're not going to overthrow a police state. we win by being calm and communicating with care for accuracy.

The skinny black jean white kids in the hoodies, do they get paid by the hour? 

worth watching all the way through. 

  On 5/31/2020 at 6:38 AM, very honest said:

i may have mixed you up with someone else. a lot of countries represented here. plus you post a lot of marxist/leninist shit. and i asked you 3 times in this thread what country you're from and you didn't answer.

you called me crazy for mentioning the IRA troll farm. that's the internet research agency, an operation run out of st petersberg by a guy named Yevgeny Prigozhin, known as putin's chef. it's a real thing. here's an interview with a paid russian troll, one of many who post shit using fake accounts, largely aimed at duping americans, according to putin's objectives. 

still curious on your info sources. care to share with us? where you got got the narrative about a need to overthrow a police state? seriously, it's relevant.

there is not "a police state." at least not yet. governors control the states. trump is seizing on the unrest. by provoking unrest, you give trump the ability to send the military in. see what i mean? see how that works? there are agent provocateurs and fraudulent trolls stoking this. people need to be chill and to record suspicious stuff. fighting cops is not going to help anyone. we're not going to overthrow a police state. we win by being calm and communicating with care for accuracy.

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pretty big claims being made here on many fronts.  I'm well aware of the IRA troll farms but your accusations here are absolute nonsense

if you don't oppose capitalism then you are merely deaf to the cries of workers worldwide begging to be made free from the chains of wage slavery imposed by US imperialism.  why you're so preoccupied by me, I have no idea.  Are you opposed to people pointing out the consistency of injustices and systematic infection of capitalism into the state itself, to the point of the state being nothing more than a defender of capital, in our country?

also marx is not lenin, please back up your claim of me posting leninism

  On 5/31/2020 at 9:21 AM, Zeffolia said:

pretty big claims being made here on many fronts.  I'm well aware of the IRA troll farms but your accusations here are absolute nonsense

if you don't oppose capitalism then you are merely deaf to the cries of workers worldwide begging to be made free from the chains of wage slavery imposed by US imperialism.  why you're so preoccupied by me, I have no idea.  Are you opposed to people pointing out the consistency of injustices and systematic infection of capitalism into the state itself, to the point of the state being nothing more than a defender of capital, in our country?

don't argue for the overthrow of government. work within established channels for change, if you are actually serious. if you want to improve living conditions in impoverished nations, there are a lot of ways to do that. it's hard for me to believe that you think overthrowing american capitalism by means of rioting is the path to a solution to the global problem you claim to be trying to solve. that argument would seem more like a pretense for simply attacking america. if you were serious then you should work on establishing yourself as an academic and formulate a body of work in which you lay out arguments for a path to improvement. when you post on the internet trying to get people to fight cops in order to overthow capitalism to help low wage earners in other countries, it really smacks of some weak bullshit.