Autechre - SIGN 16.10.20

  On 10/22/2020 at 2:35 AM, Lianne said:

Apart from ‘M4 Lema’, ‘Metaz form8’, and ‘r cazt’, I’m still not really understanding this one. But at least that’s a proper great opener, a favourite in the middle, and a very beautiful and emotional ending note! I think it’s actually the sound design of the others more than anything else, which is weird because everyone else is raving about the sound - it’s that straight square-wavey (? - forgive my ignorance) and buzzy-sawtooth-ish pile-up that isn’t so enjoyable or why I go to Autechre, nor even the cute bubbly aquatic business going on in something like ‘si00’. ‘Known (1)’ did go from hated to loved, though, so maybe there’s hope when it comes to those raw tones - but that one did have crazy microtonal weirdness, lead sound glitching, cool structuring, and other interlocking fat mallet-like elements that were an entry point to later appreciation. 
Maybe I’m just shallow: the more obviously 3D, spectrally sumptuous, wide-ranging tones of the opener were an immediate hit, and it only grows on me with every listen. 

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Autechre's ambient, mellow side is the stuff that's always been the most difficult for me—I never got into Amber—so I'm also still working on this one.  M4 Lema, au14, and r cazt are the ones that are recognizably Autechre to me.

I was just shuffling some tunes from my phone while doing dishes and a song comes on and got me wondering, is that a track from SIGN or is it Coil? I really couldn't tell. So I checked after a few minutes and it was "Dark River" From Love's Secret Domain. Interesting that I had to wonder considering I just played that album yesterday but have only played SIGN 3 times and the last time was a 8 days ago.

I mean, there are vague similarities but I don’t think I’d ever mistake Coil for AE or vice versa? Maybe for a fleeting moment but I wouldn’t be head scratching...

I actually only listened to this once. I really liked it, but it's very much not something to leave on in the background, and I haven't made the time to sit with it again with undivided attention. It's kind of nice dreaming about listening to it again, though. I've never had this relationship with an Autechre album before. Very odd.

  On 10/22/2020 at 5:22 AM, sidewinder said:

I was just shuffling some tunes from my phone while doing dishes and a song comes on and got me wondering, is that a track from SIGN or is it Coil? I really couldn't tell. So I checked after a few minutes and it was "Dark River" From Love's Secret Domain. Interesting that I had to wonder considering I just played that album yesterday but have only played SIGN 3 times and the last time was a 8 days ago.

 

 

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A favorite Coil track of mine, but unmistakably Coil indeed.  

I can only assume your lack of familiarity with this song and/or detachment while doing the dishes. 

Or maybe because ae remixed this coil track ?

Just finished my 5th listen and starting to see all the details hidden in the mix. Can confirm that there is absolutely nothing simple abt this, which was a pretty laughable statement. It’s rhythmically complex - abt as complex as anything else they’ve programmed in their vast labyrinthine repertoire. Also noticed that a lot of tracks which I initially thought of as beatless, actually do have beats - they’re just muted or buried in the mix 

If there’s an Autechre album that wears its Coil influence on its sleeves, surely it’s got to be Oversteps and not SIGN. 
 

tbh I kind of wish there was more follow-through with the Oversteps compositional/melodic method, as much as I love everything that’s come since. 

  On 10/22/2020 at 7:57 AM, baph said:

If there’s an Autechre album that wears its Coil influence on its sleeves, surely it’s got to be Oversteps and not SIGN. 
 

tbh I kind of wish there was more follow-through with the Oversteps compositional/melodic method, as much as I love everything that’s come since. 

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Totally agree, was actually just thinking of this - all that plucky instrumentation... they definitely could’ve taken that sound further too. I can only assume that they actually did and it’s one of the many things locked up in their vaults 

  On 10/22/2020 at 7:41 AM, zaizai said:

Or maybe because ae remixed this coil track ?

That's just a snippet of the gescom disengage radio show, not a remix, and it probably wasn't even ae at the controls

the track being mixed in is (prod. by Mark Pritchard, for the non-eagle eyed..)

Dark river was played many times on disengage, it's obviously an influential piece for them

  On 10/22/2020 at 7:57 AM, baph said:

If there’s an Autechre album that wears its Coil influence on its sleeves, surely it’s got to be Oversteps and not SIGN. 
 

tbh I kind of wish there was more follow-through with the Oversteps compositional/melodic method, as much as I love everything that’s come since. 

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SIGN is COILish as hell IMHO

I must have missed that side of coil tbfh! 
Imo => Coil is shit compared to Autechre! Most importantly, Ae is never destructive nor depressed/ill, it was always constructive and pro-life and healthy, free of shit and truthful, totally different planet to the borderline music of Coil and similar bands. How something sounds doesn’t matter, what matters is the will behind the music, which is the sole purpose of music anyway. And those ‘clever’ lyrics of Coil are so adolescent! Makes me want to vomit  So anti-ae! 
I’ve been constantly puzzled by music posted in ‘music similar to ae’ thread! Like, majority of it has nothing to do with ae! Nothing! And if it has, it’s only similar in some aspects of sound design and if someone’s trying to copy ae. Lame! Read the rules!!!

Autechre = free of shit  

somebody just posted this on YT
 

rolling stone review:

https://www.rollingstone.it/musica/le-volte-in-cui-gli-autechre-hanno-diviso-il-mondo-dellelettronica/535556/?fbclid=IwAR3NKw3dNTMiI7a8e1mwAz4mhNzWzBsJFLvjKxyHv-5sRe08BhmNOcWB088#confield

Piedra Rodante Pietra Rotolante* review

FYI. As a day 1 veteran Ae super expert, I hereby declare the new album 2 b:

muro di suono review (in this encyclical the truth is said)

https://www.soundwall.it/autechre-il-sign-giusto-al-momento-giusto/

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  On 10/22/2020 at 7:39 AM, tailings said:

A favorite Coil track of mine, but unmistakably Coil indeed.  

 

I can only assume your lack of familiarity with this song and/or detachment while doing the dishes. 

Indeed, detached while doing dishes – certainly wasn't wearing headphones and hearing every little detail. Bluetooth speaker playing at low to medium volume. Low quality and volume can lead to wildly different comparisons than high quality attentive listens.

Will be interesting to revisit the song today and perhaps give SIGN another spin.

  On 10/22/2020 at 6:06 PM, sidewinder said:

Indeed, detached while doing dishes – certainly wasn't wearing headphones and hearing every little detail. Bluetooth speaker playing at low to medium volume. Low quality and volume can lead to wildly different comparisons than high quality attentive listens.

Will be interesting to revisit the song today and perhaps give SIGN another spin.

There was actually a "remix"of Dark River years ago that was being passed around on peer to peer sites that was labeled as an Autechre remix. I put remix in quotes because it was basically just Dark River with a drum beat added to the end and it definitely wasn't Autechre. 

  On 10/22/2020 at 5:56 PM, xox said:

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reviews are really uninteresting, but it is true that it is quite rare to find statements that reveal that whoever wrote them really listened to Ae, and it 's for this exception that I posted them. Interviews, we know, are rare

  On 10/22/2020 at 5:30 AM, Hugh Mughnus said:

I mean, there are vague similarities but I don’t think I’d ever mistake Coil for AE or vice versa? Maybe for a fleeting moment but I wouldn’t be head scratching...

Yeh those two are p similar!

If I had never heard these songs before and was listening blind, I'd think the first was Autechre and the second was Coil.

  On 10/22/2020 at 6:15 PM, Draft78 said:

reviews are really uninteresting, but it is true that it is quite rare to find statements that reveal that whoever wrote them really listened to Ae, and it 's for this exception that I posted them. Interviews, we know, are rare

yes, the point is what can i learn about ae in a review? i just get irritated! if you can find someone that understand ae better than i do (we do) i'd be happy to learn something new. quite arrogant, i know, but what can i say. i'm an arrogant ass  ...and we are the dreamers of dreams!

there's several levels or points to talk about: known musical theory, technical side of it, repertoire and philosophy of music. if anyone wants to learn anything worthwhile about ae, watmm is the place bc we've been covering all the points like no one else