Autechre trackers

Ive been writing with normal sequencers(what is normal?) for years,and allways checked out trackers-but never really wanted to put time into learning one when i have logic wired.

Trackers seem to come up alot when im reading studio interviews with artist that write wicked music in my opinion- (machinedrum, proswell autechre,afx come to mind.

Seems they all have used them ,or do use them at the present time.

Im not saying there is any magic bullet to nice tunes,we all know by now that time pays off in that aspect.

But would there be an advantage to programing polyrithmic patterns and melodys that you normally would not have with a daw like logic ,cubase etc?

Maybee it would provoke you to write your shit in a newer way causing you to do new things you would not have thought of before?

Anyone have any info on this?-Please share your experiences.

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try Renoise

demo is almost fully functional except ASIO and rendering, by the time you complete a song and want to render it, you'll probably want to buy it anyway

once tracking clicks in your head, you move through patterns much faster than in a traditional piano roll, because of "editstep" which sort becomes like a brushsize for spacing and key-repeat

there is a sort of withdrawl period where you get upset at not seeing and painting the notes in piano roll style, but it passes. once i made the switch i never went back, nor do i plan to

renoise tracker = first software i've ever purchased

an advantage (or possible disadvantage sometimes) is being able to see every note you've entered at once (unless you've got so many tracks they are scrolled off the screen

edit: misspelled my recommendation

  Jubal said:

Trackers suck

No that's just yo' momma. I can't program in anything other that trackers.

  Adjective said:

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try Renosie

demo is almost fully functional except ASIO and rendering, by the time you complete a song and want to render it, you'll probably want to buy it anyway

 

once tracking clicks in your head, you move through patterns much faster than in a traditional piano roll, because of "editstep" which sort becomes like a brushsize for spacing and key-repeat

 

there is a sort of withdrawl period where you get upset at not seeing and painting the notes in piano roll style, but it passes. once i made the switch i never went back, nor do i plan to

 

renoise tracker = first software i've ever purchased

i have a copy of renoise and madtracker(i think is nomore)and some others ive collected over time..i imagine you could write some intricate stuff with that way of writing.. and trackers dont suck...the music Travis Stewart has made with impulse tracker is ace drum programing-not saying hes made everything with impulse tracker-but he has mentioned using it alot.

Renoise is good but I need to learn how to use it more. Would everyone say something like Renoise was better for glitch type drum tracks and fucking about with effects than something with a normal sequencer?

milkytracker

a nice fast tracker 2 clone for xp and its free

and i use it

Buzz is the superior tracker due to its sub patterning systems.

  Adjective said:

once tracking clicks in your head, you move through patterns much faster than in a traditional piano roll, because of "editstep" which sort becomes like a brushsize for spacing and key-repeat

 

there is a sort of withdrawl period where you get upset at not seeing and painting the notes in piano roll style, but it passes. once i made the switch i never went back, nor do i plan to

the chopping tools in FL Studio serve this purpose just fine for me, perhaps better due to the possible more-complex patterns.

  Adjective said:

an advantage (or possible disadvantage sometimes) is being able to see every note you've entered at once (unless you've got so many tracks they are scrolled off the screen

Ghost notes on FL Studio do this too.

I talked about this in another thread so I'll just quote myself.

It has nothing to do with what your program can or can't do ..

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the reason why trackers make such easy drill machines is because you can effectively hold down a button which will auto make a snare rush, and within seconds you can press down enter 2 numbers and the drum gets reversed... scroll down a few lines enter 2 more numbers and it pitches up etc.. its the quickness of being able to do this kinda of t hing vs raw possibilities of beat manipulation... the more edits per second, the easier it is to pull off your fancy drill n bass songs.

right, it's not like trackers are better than horizontal sequences or anything, it's just preference and usability. trackers enable some people to do specific tasks quicker, while fl style sequencing may be more visual and hands on. it's all about preference.

with trackers i can do some good with drums, and with fl i can do some really full nice sounding melodies. the melodies won't sound as full and lively in renoise, and the drums won't sound as good in fl, for me at least. i'm not saying you can't write good melodies in renoise, or intricate drum patterns in fl, quite the opposite actually. it's just got a lot to do with your perosnal style, what you want to accomplish, and how you want to go about doing so.

play around with a tracker, get to know it, (i'd suggest renoise, and the video tutorials). try it out, make some tunes, see how you like it. but by all means do not limit yourself to one means of producing music.

  Jubal said:

Trackers suck

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  Josso said:

Renoise is good but I need to learn how to use it more. Would everyone say something like Renoise was better for glitch type drum tracks and fucking about with effects than something with a normal sequencer?

try the video tutorials, if you haven't got the basics down yet. it'll show you around renoise and how to perform all of the necessary basic operations. and yeah, renoise tends to be used for the due to the ability to manipulate sound dynamically without anymore than a letter here and a number here, but that's like saying flstudio is only good for dance music, which i hear too often. renoise is good for whatever you want and can do with it, not just 200bpm amen break destruction. with renoise, you can get a good feel of your entire track playing all at once, living and breathing. i know fl has got ghost notes, but it's really not the same. it's a lot more fun watching tracks go by in renoise.

renoise is a pretty solid tool for making music, i'd say. may be a little daunting at first, but i remember the first time i opened it up. don't think i had ever been that confused since algebra class.

also, renoise has got some pretty cool stuff planned for the future, and a really nice helpful community. forums, irc, support, wiki, manuals, etc.

  Adjective said:

renoise tracker = first software i've ever purchased

hey, cool. me too.

see, i'd never be able to do something like

hope this was somewhat helpful.

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  Josso said:

Renoise is good but I need to learn how to use it more. Would everyone say something like Renoise was better for glitch type drum tracks and fucking about with effects than something with a normal sequencer?

try the video tutorials, if you haven't got the basics down yet. it'll show you around renoise and how to perform all of the necessary basic operations. and yeah, renoise tends to be used for the due to the ability to manipulate sound dynamically without anymore than a letter here and a number here, but that's like saying flstudio is only good for dance music, which i hear too often. renoise is good for whatever you want and can do with it, not just 200bpm amen break destruction. with renoise, you can get a good feel of your entire track playing all at once, living and breathing. i know fl has got ghost notes, but it's really not the same. it's a lot more fun watching tracks go by in renoise.

 

renoise is a pretty solid tool for making music, i'd say. may be a little daunting at first, but i remember the first time i opened it up. don't think i had ever been that confused since algebra class.

 

also, renoise has got some pretty cool stuff planned for the future, and a really nice helpful community. forums, irc, support, wiki, manuals, etc.

Cheers, that's pretty much what I wanted to know. I always use hardware for my melodies and basslines (I render everything then put it into Audacity - I work from there once all the bits are almost done) but I need something useful for my drum programming.

appreiciate all the discussion... it makes more sense to me now that i know you can do some complex drum editing via keypad.sounds like something worth spending time with and learning.

ever try reViSiT? Its pretty tight.

There really is no advantage to using trackers.

  Jubal said:

"the melodies won't sound as full and lively in renoise"

 

lol

rofl

  acid1 said:

I talked about this in another thread so I'll just quote myself.

 

It has nothing to do with what your program can or can't do ..

 

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the reason why trackers make such easy drill machines is because you can effectively hold down a button which will auto make a snare rush, and within seconds you can press down enter 2 numbers and the drum gets reversed... scroll down a few lines enter 2 more numbers and it pitches up etc.. its the quickness of being able to do this kinda of t hing vs raw possibilities of beat manipulation... the more edits per second, the easier it is to pull off your fancy drill n bass songs.

I know what you meant, and FL Studio is just as fast in chopping/slicing thanks to the complex chopping tools, unless I missed something. The reversing is the only slightly more difficult thing, but that can be done too rather simply.

  sisforawesome said:

with trackers i can do some good with drums, and with fl i can do some really full nice sounding melodies. the melodies won't sound as full and lively in renoise, and the drums won't sound as good in fl, for me at least.

I tend to be the opposite. My music is rhythmically oriented, hence I don't use trackers much.

  Bubba69 said:

ever try reViSiT? Its pretty tight.

just read the specs- runs inside your host as a vst ... nice- might mess around whith it

good looking out

Bogdan Raczynski gawdammit

ReNoise QUESTION: I've tried using the ReNoise but I can never get any of my loops to properly sync to a pattern. Whats the best to get them synced?

Sorry for being a noob, but what is a tracker?

  dnoyes said:

  Bubba69 said:

ever try reViSiT? Its pretty tight.

 

 

just read the specs- runs inside your host as a vst ... nice- might mess around whith it

 

good looking out

orly... a vst tracker?

is it free?

edit: no answer required. d/l ing now.

never really used a tracker before.

  Bad Influence said:

ReNoise QUESTION: I've tried using the ReNoise but I can never get any of my loops to properly sync to a pattern. Whats the best to get them synced?

i don't usually work with loops

but usually i just trigger it, set pattern length to something low like 32 steps (or there's an option to loop a block of the pattern) then either adjust the tempo of the song or the key of the sample (instrument settings tab i think) until when the pattern restarts, the loop resets in time.

usually there will be some swing in the sample, but you can just retrigger it regularly and even offset the start point via the sample offset command (0900 - 09FF in the effect column, where 0900 = start of sample; 0980 = halfway point, 09FF = end of sample)

if it's a live sort of loop then chop it down a bit, trigger the different parts seperately

if you can't get the break to flow seamlessly between retriggers then try throwing a "0B00" in the effects column on the step before the retrigger, this will send the sample backwards a moment which will make either silence or a swelling noise before the next note hits. which in some cases will sound better than a gap between the samples.

there's lots of tricks to making a loop work and ways of masking the failures of a loop

worst case scenario: just cut the loop into individual hits, trigger every hit seperately in desired ordered / tempo

great topic i was asking myself to switch to a tracker recently to improve my beats

"""great topic i was asking myself to switch to a tracker recently to improve my beats"""

trackers won't improve one's ability to make dope beats

  Bad Influence said:

ReNoise QUESTION: I've tried using the ReNoise but I can never get any of my loops to properly sync to a pattern. Whats the best to get them synced?

the quick and easy way:

the cool mrx way: change the finetuning/ basenote until the loop syncs with the rest of the track

  loganfive said:

  dnoyes said:

  Bubba69 said:

ever try reViSiT? Its pretty tight.

 

 

just read the specs- runs inside your host as a vst ... nice- might mess around whith it

 

good looking out

 

 

orly... a vst tracker?

 

is it free?

 

edit: no answer required. d/l ing now.

 

never really used a tracker before.

i think a renoise vst is pretty high on the list of wants in the renoise community.

so that will be cool if it ever gets made.