Autechre trackers

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interesting, never bumped into that! Bit of a shame that it will only run on xp, as i'm desperately clinging to 98...

oops just found out they also have a 98 version :)

And if you're feeling that Buzz is getting a little old hat, why not move onto spanking new Buzé: http://batman.no/buze/

The development of which is rocketting along (even at beta 0.4.8 it's pretty much as stable as Buzz with lots of lovely new things to come).

My dry period of Buzzing was soon fixed when I got Voxengo's convolution reverb VST and some wacky reverb impulses. Cracking stuffs.

  Jubal said:

Hey, never looked seriously at Buzz..but will give it a try with Buzé.

 

Just installed it, and need some (demo)songs...where can I find 'em? Also, can I use vst(i) in it + where can I find these generators & machines Buzz users are always ravig about? Cheers

Ta da buzzmachines.com/ should have lots of buzz gens and effects.

and by the way mcbpete.. thanks for the Buze' link! feels like its 2001 again! *thinks of soundcard-breaking memories*

edit: oh, and from memory, it supports VSTi too.

Yeah it supports VST and VSTi. The support on them isn't 100% yet on buzé but it's pretty much there. I can't remember if Buze as standard comes with the Polac VST loader but if not get the latest one here: http://www.xlutop.com/buzz/ (it also has the instructions of where to put what files. Then load up a PVST machine in buze and go to preferences/Global2 and you can set where all your VST(i)s are stored and next time it'll add it all to a list.

Jubal: I think the best thing to to is install the Massive Buzz Pack first from this link --> http://www.tokyo3.dk/buzzmachines/getbuzz.php and then copy the Buze files into the Buzz directory (this ensures all files go to the right place). The massive pack contains 229 generators and 426 effects and many demo songs to load into Buzz/Buze (which unfortunately the songs are quite shite) so that should get you started ! Some machines aren't quite compatible with Buze yet so stick this: http://batman.no/buze/blacklist.txt in the Buzz\Gear\ directory. If you do get stuck the people at the buzzchurch.com forum are dead friendly. They'll soon sort you out. All our stuff that we've ever made (except out really out Fast Tracker stuff) has been made using only Buzz so if you wanna hear what can be done in it we've got many a buzz track online here: http://ilovecubus.co.uk/downloads.php

how do i add notes to patterns in renoise, or in buzz, or milkytracker??? i don't have a midi keyboard

(yes, i'm a noob in trackers. just wanna learn something new)

  qnio said:

how do i add notes to patterns in renoise, or in buzz, or milkytracker??? i don't have a midi keyboard

 

(yes, i'm a noob in trackers. just wanna learn something new)

just type them in using the keyboard (usually letters a-k, with the sharps above them sometimes - cant remember teh buzz specifics) on the arrangement window. itll come up with the note and octave, and then you can play it...

oh yeah, this Buzé is some really good news! thanks a zillion mcbpete!

qnio, entering notes in Buzz (or any other tracker i know) on your kb is really easy: the bottom row of your kb, zxcvbnm,./ are the white keys (cdefgabc'd'e'); the blacks (half notes, c#d#f#g#a#c#'d#' ) are sd ghj l; (mind the gaps:). Then one octave up you have qwertyuiop[], half notes 23 567 90. To change octaves use / and * on your numeric keypad. It's all in the help files btw.

Yeah that's what I was saying about that it's best to install Buzz first then copy the Buze files into the Buzz folder (i.e. Buze.exe in the same folder as Buzz.exe, make sure you also copy the other Buze folders into the relevant subfolders into Buzz) as it'll sort all that out. It doesn't matter if you don't use Buzz, it's just that the massive buzz park will sort everything out (including creating stereo versions of all the effects, patches etc. and install all the generators/effects and set up the polac VST loaders) and then just copy the buze files across without having to worry about things like envelope.ocx etc. Don't worry about wasting disk space as the only file you won't be using from the buzz install is the buzz.exe (as you're using buze.exe instead) all the other files in the install are relevant for Buze too.

Also the gear list is totally customisable but the standard list is kinda disorganised. If you download this one: http://www.tokyo3.dk/buzzmachines/files/in...nD2004-7-31.zip (place the index.txt (rename it to index.txt if it isn't already) and the index.plur (if it's in the zip, don't worry if not) into the \gear folder and make it over-write the old one) then it should be a bit easier to find you way round.

Hope this helps.

  kanarie said:

qnio, entering notes in Buzz (or any other tracker i know) on your kb is really easy: the bottom row of your kb, zxcvbnm,./ are the white keys (cdefgabc'd'e'); the blacks (half notes, c#d#f#g#a#c#'d#' ) are sd ghj l; (mind the gaps:). Then one octave up you have qwertyuiop[], half notes 23 567 90. To change octaves use / and * on your numeric keypad. It's all in the help files btw.

thanks a lot!

i'm not having much luck with Buzé either, when i run the latest 0.4.8 it says that's not a valid executable, 0.4.7 will run but when i unleash it on my buzz gear, it totally crashes my machine. It also complains about not being able to load envelope.ocx, which surely is registered on my machine, since buzz runs without much trouble (most of the time). So i reckon it will take some fiddling before it's usable...

For those of you Buzz users that have switched from Buzz to Buze', are you able to open your old Buzz files in Buze'?

Yep. Plus the stuff I've saved in Buze I can load back into Buzz.

The fix kit should be in buzz\tools I believe..something named like that (I'm at work so I can't check the location of stuff)

the Mi.h took me a while to work out. Basically there's a machine that should be black listed but isnt which is paniq's plutonium (I think it's in generators). Those two effects you listed should be there but they might be blacklisted (they're quite old machines and do weird things sometimes so they've played safe with blocking it). Go to the blacklist.txt and see if they're listed and you could delete them if needs be. There's some patched machines that might also sort things out here: http://batman.no/buze/patched-machines.zip

Man, now that Ive gone and spent money on Renoise because Buzz wasn't getting developed anymore...

Buzz has a workflow that just agrees with me so much more (why can't Renoise have an arranger window with mutliple concurrent patterns playing?). Yet Renoise has such a vastly superior audio engine. Argh!

  ten fingers ten toes said:

Yet Renoise has such a vastly superior audio engine. Argh!

There was a big discussion about this in Buzzchurch and we think that the reason between the engines in Buzz and 'professional' software is that some steps are done for you 'automatically' as regards limiting/compression/mastering etc on the master channel.. Obviously as they're closed source packages we can't say for sure why stuff out of the box sounds better in other packages but that's the guess anyway.

Essentially the result is that you have to put in a few more steps to master stuff to the same quality as more expensive software by using various machines to obtain the same effect.

A great step by step way of making a professional sounding mix on Buzz is here:

http://www.tokyo3.dk/buzzmachines/viewreview.php?id=59

http://www.tokyo3.dk/buzzmachines/viewreview.php?id=60

http://www.tokyo3.dk/buzzmachines/viewreview.php?id=61

and a discussion about the audio engine is here: http://buzzchurch.com/viewtopic.php?t=437

Yah even still though, you can see the aliasing that Buzz will do when pitch shifting samples that Renoise will not. I don't know what that comes out to subjectively but at least theoretically it looks pretty damning for Buzz. I dunno, maybe Ive just been convinced that Renoise is supposed to sound better so to me it does, I'm not sure. I will certainly check out Buze though.

  ten fingers ten toes said:

Man, now that Ive gone and spent money on Renoise because Buzz wasn't getting developed anymore...

 

Buzz has a workflow that just agrees with me so much more (why can't Renoise have an arranger window with mutliple concurrent patterns playing?). Yet Renoise has such a vastly superior audio engine. Argh!

Yeah I can't use a tracker that doesn't have sub patterns. I think its essential to the work flow.

how can i put different samples on each track in renoise?

i.e. a kick in one track & a snare in the other, to make different patterns for each?

  qnio said:

how can i put different samples on each track in renoise?

i.e. a kick in one track & a snare in the other, to make different patterns for each?

Click and drag wav samples from the disk browser to two different instruments in the upper right.

Say that your kick is instrument 00 and your snare is 01.

In the first track, type "q" in the note field for C-4 00 (c-4 note of instrument 00 -- your kick). Then go over to the second track and hit the "+" key on your keypad (or you can click on instrument 01 in the top right, so long as it ends up highlighted). Then type "q" where you want your snare to be in the second track.

yeah, one thing thats great about buzz is its awesome vst wrapper. Polac should write a commercial VST host I think. It has so many nice features.

Right just took some the advice of a lot of this thread and I am 100% using Renoise for all my drum programming now.

  Jubal said:

"how can i put different samples on each track in renoise?

i.e. a kick in one track & a snare in the other, to make different patterns for each?"

 

http://tutorials.renoise.com/?n=Renoise.VideoTutorials

 

check out these for the basics

thanks, downloading now.

quite difficult this sequencer->tracker switch

lol

trackers are ace! i feel obliged to once again insist that modplug is superior in many ways to renoise but any tracker will do for most basic stuff. there are things i don't like about trackers but the sheer simple elegance and efficiency and the ease of programming drums make trackers the only real option for me. cubase on my old desktop could do about 16 channels without getting stuttery, the tracker could do 30 and a couple of effects. file sizes are tiny - using only short samples an average track will only take a meg or two. i tend to use well over 100 samples and instruments in every track and the file size still rarely tops 5megs.

the best thing about trackers for me is the general programming ease - you click in a box, you press a key or two, voila! it feels much easier to me than clicking to put a note in the paino roll, then dragging the length, then setting velocity and then probably going somewhere else to change the effect and panning values... and all with the mouse. with the tracker you can be hovering the mouse over the next box as you're typing into the last one.

the downsides are: no plugin delay compensation and no per-channel effect mix. (these are modplug specific downsides but i think renoise doesn't do them either?) these are fairly major things but both are sort of get roundable. you can introduce the same delay with the same plugin doing nothing on other channels to get round horrible phase cancelling and for the latter you can double channels up, only use an effect on one and change the volume of the samples in either one to get the mix you want.

woohoo finally i've learned how to program patterns by using modplugtracker, it's interface is like a lot more clean than, ie. milkytracker or even renoise.

maybe once you get familiar with modplug and tracker features, you should give renoise another shot.