i just saw a screenshot of garageband

I stand by my reccomendation to chill out. calling up 1984 seemed to be a bit melodramatic. It's just garageband, yknow?

I was raised by parents and tv. I'm pretty sure no one would say tv exclusively raised them, except for characters in movies.

Garageband isn't for musicians, it's for mac owners who may have an interest in writing music. I totally think garageband is pretty useless as a means of outputting good music for people to listen to, but if a 12 year old who's mom has a mac starts dicking around in garageband and starts enjoying what he's doing, and that leads to him producing actual music in real ways, I think that would be a good thing. I mean, my first taste of electronic music production was mtv music generator, but its not like I ever got really into that interface or made anything that could be considered my own music, but it got me started in thinking that I could write my own music.

I bet AE and AFX could make some fucking wicked music in Garageband if they wanted to. It's the talent and ideas that matter, not the tools.

yeah I thought most people only used it for recording.

so basically you suck as a musician (can't even bang a tamborine in time) and rely on computers to make music for you, but don't want anyone to be able to make music with computers more easily than you do it because that's cheating and no fair.

gotcha.

people making music should be computer programmers and not musicians essentially. write your own music apps from scratch or else you're cheating.

people are fucking ridiculous.

  Endoplasmic Reticulum said:

I bet AE and AFX could make some fucking wicked music in Garageband if they wanted to. It's the talent and ideas that matter, not the tools.

richard devine is kinda proof of this. every fancy toy under the sun, and i'd still rather listen to a madlib record made on a $200 sp-303.

  aeser said:

write your own music apps from scratch or else you're cheating.

I admire people who stay true to that philosophy, sort of a DIY ethic. i wish i could, or at least write quality max and/or reaktor patches. Thats partly why i don't use those programs right now.

i admire people who write music i like. i couldn't really give a fuck how said music came about. end product is all that matters to me. i don't think one has to be a musical instrument manufacturer to be a musician/composer.

i'd still be replying to this thread if people bothered to read what i already wrote

So I guess the fact that you just did reply is an acknowledgment of me actually reading and responding to what you wrote.

And I guess since thats all you managed for your reply, you couldn't actually maintain your whiny melodramatic response without completely giving up on any semblance of being right.

So why bother replying at all?

i do it for you schnoogums

  we_kill_soapscum said:

  Wall Bird said:

I dont see any problem. A program like Garageband can be empowering for people who have no knowledge on things such as audio production. The less barriers between someone and the music in their head, the better. Sure there will be a lot of people making music which is decidedly shit, but I'd rather have a society where everyone can speak in music than just the opposite. The more accessible it is the more people will get into it. The more musical input the better.

 

one could argue "MUSIC = LOOPZ" is an enormous barrier

garageband can handle multitrack recording and midi sequencing. i think that gives you pretty much carte blanche to do whatever you like.

what if i want to change the laws of physics

  ieafs said:

an old member of this forum has an album out on kranky which has gotten great reviews made with garageband

 

http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=24327

 

i don't get why you dislike it so much, it's the most blank slate thing ever... if you actually can make sound of your own outside of the computer you can string them together in an infinite amount of ways with it...

i would argue that sound forge is more "blank slate"

or a 4-track tape recorder.

i've made award winning club albums with techno ejay.

It's not TOTALLY useless:

i think it's funny how much emphasis you all place on music making being difficult, like that makes it good or somehow valid. like you'd rather buy an album that sucked from an artist that built all his own instruments than one full of good tracks by someone using reason or garage band or whatever.

who the fuck cares?

the music is either good or bad, end result is all that matters.

Its a pride thing. If someone makes better music then us we can start comparing methods. If there method has a seemingly inferior program to we can assume they are inferior to us.

On the flip side, if we hear our favorite artists and can not comprehend how they made the music we love, its easier for us to assume they are using super complex programs and hardware that we may one day figure out and only then will we be able to make music like them.

  ten fingers ten toes said:

It's not TOTALLY useless:

 

lol

A quote I heard once comes to mind:

"A poor workman blames his tools."

  mrx said:

  ten fingers ten toes said:

It's not TOTALLY useless:

 

lol

That made me laff my ass off!

if i had to distill my core point, it's that i find having a lot of options at my fingertips inspiring... often an essential engine of progress

So why start off by saying GarageBand and Acid suck because they just play loops? What about people who are more inspired by working within a restrictive environment than a totally open one? I mean if all you could do was use their own pre-made sound loops that would be one thing, but you can go record anything you want and sequence it in Garageband. Your core point seems to be "I don't like it". Well uhh, so?

i talk without thinking a lot get used to it

Well then why aren't you more used to people refuting the things you say without thinking?

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