EKT Confessions

  kokoon said:

  hahathhat said:

  kokoon said:

also, i'm not really sure i made a good move with the Yamaha MG24/14FX (ouch, that hurt)

 

why??

 

i've blown my budget for the moment, but i was considering getting the MG32/16FX or whatever it is...

it's just that i'm not sure. i'd probably be better off with a (bit smaller) mackie. it's not that it's a bad mixer, feature-wise it's a fantastic deal. but the sound, so far, hasn't impressed me. my previous mixer was an alesis studio-24, i grew to love that sound, so i have to find new love for this yamaha's sound now, i guess. it's a bit softer than the alesis, i must say...

 

also, think again whether you really need 32 channels. and i don't doubt you have enough sources, just sayin'...

i probably don't. however, the difference in price between the 24 and 32 channel versions was like $200. so, you know, why the fuck not?

anyways, i have a yamaha mg16/6fx and i've never known anything else except a behringer. i really love it, but that may just be because it's an old friend at this point.

hard to say. but if you already have a Yamaha, you'll be probably okay.

the mg24/14fx is totally badass in terms of routing, it has tons of aux sends! and i'm not saying it sounds bad, it's just really different from the Alesis.

i still believe i'll be able to love this sound.

yeah, more aux sends is almost more important that more channels.

anyways, i loved my delta 1010 until i heard something much better. problem is now, as it was then: the brick-and-mortar music stores here are shit, and i can't go in to A/B anything other than danelectro pedals. and i don't really form an opinion on that sort of thing quickly...

well, both MG24 and MG32 have 6 aux sends (1&2, 3&4 can be pre or post - per channel, 5&6 are post fader) and then you have another 2 busses, EFF1 and EFF2 (internal effects) which also have outputs in the back, they're locked post-fader, so that means 8 aux sends per channel.

that's a lot of aux sends :)

i love it.

i have a secret desire to go back in time and play house piano for C&C Music Factory. gonna make you sweat!

most of the time i only use black notes

i listen to everything i do religiously until it's more than 3 months old then discard it completely

i don't like kittens

Jeez, where do I start.

I rely on presets, random(ish) knob fiddling and happy accidents far more than I should.

I have hundreds of 4 bar loops and not a single track I would consider finished.

I always get to a certain point in a track where I'm happy, listen to it over and over for a couple of days until i'm absolutely sick of it.

I can only make sad/depressing/melancholy tracks, even when I'm in a really good mood.

As emo as it sounds, my girlfriend broke up with me last week and since then everything I try sounds shit.

I don't trust anyone who says they like what I make. 'My sound' is starting to develop now, and I don't think I like it :(

I secretly want to front a shitty post-hardcore screamo band, mostly for the chicks.

Although looking at everyone else's confessions, I feel a bit better.

I can't figure out Kontakt for the life of me!

I want to make late '90s style big beat with all the cheese in it.

I might make up an alias to do this.

every tune ive posted in here or ever got "released" on a netlabel or cd or anything was made on pissy little pc speakers without even a shitty sub or anything

  scones to die for said:

I want to make late '90s style big beat with all the cheese in it.

 

I might make up an alias to do this.

that stuff was what got me into electronic music in the first place.

  hahathhat said:

  scones to die for said:

I want to make late '90s style big beat with all the cheese in it.

 

I might make up an alias to do this.

 

that stuff was what got me into electronic music in the first place.

that stuff almost got me out of it

ugh yeah *shudders*

what are we talking here... freestylers, bentley rhythm ace, fatboy, chemical bros, bombfunk mcs ????

i remember a certain glastonbury freezing and tripping round a random fire and the only music was this litl stereo with a some dude's mixtape of all those people

that was a bad time

  LUDD said:

ugh yeah *shudders*

 

what are we talking here... freestylers, bentley rhythm ace, fatboy, chemical bros, bombfunk mcs ????

 

i remember a certain glastonbury freezing and tripping round a random fire and the only music was this litl stereo with a some dude's mixtape of all those people

 

that was a bad time

Yeah - Monkey Mafia, Propellerheads, Headrillaz, Dirty Beatniks.

The revival is probably 5 years away.

  scones to die for said:

  LUDD said:

ugh yeah *shudders*

 

what are we talking here... freestylers, bentley rhythm ace, fatboy, chemical bros, bombfunk mcs ????

 

i remember a certain glastonbury freezing and tripping round a random fire and the only music was this litl stereo with a some dude's mixtape of all those people

 

that was a bad time

Yeah - Monkey Mafia, Propellerheads, Headrillaz, Dirty Beatniks.

 

The revival is probably 5 years away.

yeah propellerheads - i knew i was missing 1....i think those others must have passed me by (thankfully)

  scones to die for said:

The revival is probably 5 years away.

this should be prevented with any means possible

lets see what can we do

maybe we could develop some kind of internet meme

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  LUDD said:

ugh yeah *shudders*

 

what are we talking here... freestylers, bentley rhythm ace, fatboy, chemical bros, bombfunk mcs ????

 

i remember a certain glastonbury freezing and tripping round a random fire and the only music was this litl stereo with a some dude's mixtape of all those people

 

that was a bad time

hey, did i say i'm still really into it? no, what i said was it was the first proper electronic music i'd heard aside from a few esoteric bits and bobs in soundtracks or whatever.

i didn't start listening to music properly until i was 14. in fact, i didn't much at all, until that point. growing up, my mom played an "oldies" station in the car -- beatles, elvis, motown, james brown, you know. my dad likes folk music, classic rock, and a lot of other very bizzare stuff. he'd play his old LPs sometimes. social lemminghood at school (hey, it was 5th grade) instructed me to get a green day album, which i thought was actually pretty good. i had a small CD/tape collection that was essentially favorites culled from the categories i just mentioned. favorite bands: beatles, beach boys, clannad.

i was never much of a radio listener, still am not. when i was 14, however, i suddenly started listening to it every night for a period of a few weeks. i heard fatboy slim's "rockefella skank" and was blown away. i hadn't really heard music like that before. this was before p2p, but when you could get mp3s off of FTP sites and IRC if you knew where to look. i was good with tech shit -- it's what i did with my time, almost all day every day, before i got into music -- so i went and download the album.

that was essentially it. after one album came another, and many more. at 16 i started writing stuff myself.

to answer your question: fatboy slim, chemical brothers, crystal method, propellerheads, prodigy, meat beat manifesto... in fact, i found out about MBM being the root of all this when another person went all indie lip curl on me like you fuckheads. i don't think fatboy slim's music is really the problem -- the problem here is akin to what happens when led zeppelin licenses "rock and roll" to cadillac for a commercial. instead of people saying, "yeah, led zeppelin!!" when it comes on the radio, they say, "oh shit, it's the song from that cadillac commercial, change it!!"

i never saw your "mates" in this "glastonbury". when i found fatboy slim and the like, i found aphex's remixes. soundtracks with his tracks. that one fatboy slim song on the radio essentially set me on a new path that i'm still going down a decade later. i don't feel right letting people talk about music that had that sort of effect on me like that.

  hahathhat said:

  LUDD said:

ugh yeah *shudders*

 

what are we talking here... freestylers, bentley rhythm ace, fatboy, chemical bros, bombfunk mcs ????

 

i remember a certain glastonbury freezing and tripping round a random fire and the only music was this litl stereo with a some dude's mixtape of all those people

 

that was a bad time

 

hey, did i say i'm still really into it? no, what i said was it was the first proper electronic music i'd heard aside from a few esoteric bits and bobs in soundtracks or whatever.

 

i didn't start listening to music properly until i was 14. in fact, i didn't much at all, until that point. growing up, my mom played an "oldies" station in the car -- beatles, elvis, motown, james brown, you know. my dad likes folk music, classic rock, and a lot of other very bizzare stuff. he'd play his old LPs sometimes. social lemminghood at school (hey, it was 5th grade) instructed me to get a green day album, which i thought was actually pretty good. i had a small CD/tape collection that was essentially favorites culled from the categories i just mentioned. favorite bands: beatles, beach boys, clannad.

 

i was never much of a radio listener, still am not. when i was 14, however, i suddenly started listening to it every night for a period of a few weeks. i heard fatboy slim's "rockefella skank" and was blown away. i hadn't really heard music like that before. this was before p2p, but when you could get mp3s off of FTP sites and IRC if you knew where to look. i was good with tech shit -- it's what i did with my time, almost all day every day, before i got into music -- so i went and download the album.

 

that was essentially it. after one album came another, and many more. at 16 i started writing stuff myself.

 

to answer your question: fatboy slim, chemical brothers, crystal method, propellerheads, prodigy, meat beat manifesto... in fact, i found out about MBM being the root of all this when another person went all indie lip curl on me like you fuckheads. i don't think fatboy slim's music is really the problem -- the problem here is akin to what happens when led zeppelin licenses "rock and roll" to cadillac for a commercial. instead of people saying, "yeah, led zeppelin!!" when it comes on the radio, they say, "oh shit, it's the song from that cadillac commercial, change it!!"

 

i never saw your "mates" in this "glastonbury". when i found fatboy slim and the like, i found aphex's remixes. soundtracks with his tracks. that one fatboy slim song on the radio essentially set me on a new path that i'm still going down a decade later. i don't feel right letting people talk about music that had that sort of effect on me like that.

we (at least i) didn't mean to diss you or your musical preference or anything, chill out:)

it's probably just that when i was 13, stakker humanoid was the thing that set me on a new path (which happens to be a path involving listening a lot to stakker humanoid, lol).

so when this big beat thing happened in the 90s i was like wtf, it looked more like a step backward than forward to me. i can dig your perspective too, in fact many of my friends that were into rock during that time, got into electronic because of that stuff going on. it makes total sense.

nah, i'm chilled, i enjoyed writing that! that's why i post here.

what i was reacting to was two behaviors i'd really like to see disappear:

A) confusing music with the people that listen to the music

i can understand this. i like the postal service, death cab for cutie, but the sort of people that rave about them make me want to hurl. however, these people are only doing this because they are guilty of...

B) building camaraderie, rapport, CRED, alliances, whatever by standing around going "oh yeah, ____ sucks and ____ rocks!" without ever getting into why. i have a feeling this thread could have turned into a giant circlejerk of "OH YEAH FATBOY SLIM SUCKS SO MUCH"

i feel it's best if you bite your tounge and try not to be negative. it's hard, i can't do it all the time (sorry about the "indie lipcurl" comment :) but i make a genuine effort. most importantly, don't be negative just to score points or build each other up. sets yourself up for a giant ego bubble that can go pop.

anyways, you got into why, somewhat, so i'll respond seriously: from the first time i heard it, i thought rockefella skank got repetitive in parts. however, it was my introduction to sampling, the squadron of people using atari ST's, which was intensely exciting. even though ol' norman isn't terribly original, he can write good tracks, good songs, tight loops. he never struck me as being an asshole like oakenfold. seems like a genuinely nice guy who happened to be messing around with the right genre at the right moment. he freely admits he's shit at technology, just likes this type of electronic or that sort of prog rock... his real work was tearing into the anus of pop music charts with his cock, cumming interest in electronic music all over the world.

  hahathhat said:

i feel it's best if you bite your tounge and try not to be negative. it's hard, i can't do it all the time (sorry about the "indie lipcurl" comment :)

no i was genuine about not liking that stuff (and trying to have a small lol out of it). nothing negative imo. i didn't realize anyone would take offense at this, sorry mate. and talking about negativity, what you said directly after that

  hahathhat said:

(...) like you fuckheads. (...)

seems more of a statement to be sorry about than that indie lipcurl thing, lol

ok, back on topic: i admit to having listened to the chemical brothers and actually liking some of it (but i did not inhale:)

  kanarie said:

  hahathhat said:

i feel it's best if you bite your tounge and try not to be negative. it's hard, i can't do it all the time (sorry about the "indie lipcurl" comment :)

 

no i was genuine about not liking that stuff (and trying to have a small lol out of it). nothing negative imo. i didn't realize anyone would take offense at this, sorry mate. and talking about negativity, what you said directly after that

nahh, it irked me a bit, but i didn't take it personally. part of my response is me expressing my frustration at something people do in general, and the other half is putting thoughts into words. i enjoy trying to put thoughts into words, but it also forces me to clarify my thinking... and subsequently, my own principles. you think you have something sorted, until you sit down and write it out... you find lots of little things that make you say, "whoops" :)

  kanarie said:

  hahathhat said:

(...) like you fuckheads. (...)

 

seems more of a statement to be sorry about than that indie lipcurl thing, lol

 

ok, back on topic: i admit to having listened to the chemical brothers and actually liking some of it (but i did not inhale:)

they are both part of the same flash of negativity, i consider them one and the same. :)

chemical brothers, prodigy, and similar is great music for exercising. it gets you excited. this is why it works on the dance floor. when i go for a walk or jog, and listen to chemical brothers, i push myself harder without noticing too much. it keeps you locked into a rhythm of motion, helps you get into the zone. however, when sitting on the couch, closing my eyes, i more prefer something like squarepusher. if you never listen to music away from the couch, well, you wouldn't really have much of a proper context in which to "feel" it.

So yeah, my big beat track is underway. It's got a chopped up funky drummer break, a cheesy bassline from a Roland synth, and some piano vamps from my DX-7. What else should I add - Hoovers? Chord memory stabs? Hip hop samples? Rave whistles? I'm taking suggestions.

It's the ultimate guilty pleasure.

  scones to die for said:

piano vamps

haha, ace term you got there!

anyways, you need some random samples, like vocal samples. if you want to see that shit at tops, go listen to the propellerhedz' one lonely album (are they ever gonna release another? or are they permanently halted by, um, stomach problems was it?).

other examples include:

fatboy slim - ya mama (samples: "push the tempo" "shake what ya mama gave her" etc)

progidy - poison ("i got the poison" "i got the remedy" "i got the pulsing, rhythmical remedy.." "yaa!" damn that track is tops! :)

but, more interestingly...

wagon christ - the funnies -- not just accents to the drum n bass, they really pull your ear around rhythmicly...

squarepusher - my red hot car -- at this point it starts to be something different entirely

i guess it really depends on how purist you want to be. if you're going fatboy slim by the numbers, you to have a one sentence sample without (m)any dependant clauses, unless you intend to have lyrics. it's another layer of sound along with the chunka drums, bassline, etc. start off just playing it over. then just restart the sample a bit before you let it play. then slice it out and stutter the middle. then keep rolling along, letting it evolve naturally, basic whatever restart slice stutter n playout combos aren't too intelligent for a coked-out etard to process (JOKE!!)

example:

right about now

the funk soul brother check it out now

r- r- r- ight about now

rrriiiiggght -ite -ite aaUh aUh bout bout out outouttttttslfkjsdk

rinse and repeat

Okay - I've really got this one moving ahead. I'm going to raid my old hip hop 12"s for the cheesy sample. I'll let you know when it's done.

I think I'll throw in some sirens and wah wah guitars while I'm at it.

I have shitloads of good gear and a big room to keep it in and I still never use it

I use presets

I mainly use limiters instead of compressors because I don't really "get" compression and I'm afraid of inadvertently ruining my mixes for certain speaker setups

I prefer to record to tape because it is the only compressor I know how to get a consistently good sound out of