Time signatures, the heart beat of music

  modey said:

meshuggah = the autechre of metal. no?

Of sorts. Jazz influenced metal in complex time signature arrangements.

I listened to a radio interview they did when I was about 15 or something. The host asked them what they'd been listening to recently and the drummer Haake mentioned Autechre and I think possibly Squarepusher in passing. That was when I started to cross over in electronic music.

  modey said:

meshuggah = the autechre of metal. no?

YES

  Blanket Fort Collapse said:

  hahathhat said:

just ignore the grid and drag shit around until it sounds right.

 

hahha I used to make music like that 7 years ago, sounded sooo chaotic, im sure that was my most electronic music sounding stuff though

it's a piece of paper man. figure out what you want to draw rather than asking how big the squares on your graph paper should be.

  hahathhat said:

  Blanket Fort Collapse said:

  hahathhat said:

just ignore the grid and drag shit around until it sounds right.

 

hahha I used to make music like that 7 years ago, sounded sooo chaotic, im sure that was my most electronic music sounding stuff though

 

it's a piece of paper man. figure out what you want to draw rather than asking how big the squares on your graph paper should be.

hahah your talking to the wrong person, im far from someone who is just worried with theory and putting not creativity or heart into his music.

I just finished writing a 12 minute masterpiece with my band that started with just lyrics and slowly fleshed itself out after having many a fun intense jam session. I dont think ive ever written anything so creative or heartfelt.

I use lots of old drum machines etc. So I stick with the 4/4 though I try to deconstruct the tempo and rhythms with delay and etc. some times

This always turns into a really shitty conversation.

I like to write things in a certain signature, then change the feel of it so it sounds like something else and turns out to be like one 4/4 measure, then a 5/4 measure followed by four 4/4 measures, but all works together as one full melody.

  Braintree said:

This always turns into a really shitty conversation.

/thread

  Glass Plate said:

I use lots of old drum machines etc. So I stick with the 4/4 though I try to deconstruct the tempo and rhythms with delay and etc. some times

I really dont see any advantage at all in using old drum machines.. why not take these old relics and sample them put em into quality software and have complete freedom, which has cost to the sound or any disadvantage at all.

  Braintree said:

This always turns into a really shitty conversation.

 

I like to write things in a certain signature, then change the feel of it so it sounds like something else and turns out to be like one 4/4 measure, then a 5/4 measure followed by four 4/4 measures, but all works together as one full melody.

I fail to see how this conversation is deviating anywhere near as shitty as at least some of the random bullshit in general banter hahaha

5/4 seems really easy to latch on to different time signatures within the same melody

  Blanket Fort Collapse said:

  Braintree said:

This always turns into a really shitty conversation.

 

I like to write things in a certain signature, then change the feel of it so it sounds like something else and turns out to be like one 4/4 measure, then a 5/4 measure followed by four 4/4 measures, but all works together as one full melody.

 

I fail to see how this conversation is deviating anywhere near as shitty as at least some of the random bullshit in general banter hahaha

Go back and read that bullshit about 11/11.

edit: Read the Rules

hahaha I've read the rules, as extremely unconventional and non-sense as it may be I did compose a track in reason that was set at 11/11. I do not lie.

I could find a thread on EKT about time signatures at all with the search function.

  Blanket Fort Collapse said:

hahaha I've read the rules, as extremely unconventional and non-sense as it may be I did compose a track in reason that was set at 11/11. I do not lie.

 

I could find a thread on EKT about time signatures at all with the search function.

there are a few threads in the autechre subforum about time signatures. quite frustrating ones at that.

  Blanket Fort Collapse said:

I really dont see any advantage at all in using old drum machines.. why not take these old relics and sample them put em into quality software and have complete freedom, which has cost to the sound or any disadvantage at all.

well the way i see it is that using old drum machines and hardware adds a more freeform/chaotic element to the music, allowing for more improvisation than if you were sitting in front of a computer.

  modey said:

  Blanket Fort Collapse said:

I really dont see any advantage at all in using old drum machines.. why not take these old relics and sample them put em into quality software and have complete freedom, which has cost to the sound or any disadvantage at all.

well the way i see it is that using old drum machines and hardware adds a more freeform/chaotic element to the music, allowing for more improvisation than if you were sitting in front of a computer.

maybe its just cause im soo used to reason but the way you can work with reason feels so much like hardware with limitless software freedom I dont see any benefit to any part of the creative process

have you ever actually used hardware? reason is nothing like hardware imo, and i would hardly call it 'limitless' either.

there's nothing quite like running an alesis hr-16 and an 80s yamaha portasound through a bunch of guitar effects and into an old boss mixer.

but you can still do that kind of shit in software, infinitely, you can route reason and many other applications through real guitar pedals/more tweakable digital plugins and such. tweak one note/drum hit and go back and reamp it.

I dont see why you would not consider software to be completely limitless in comparison to hardware alone. You can use however many applications, plugins, samplers, drum machines, effects, route through dozens of applications.

I dont see a limit to what you can do in software combined with some hardware where need be but I certainly can in hardware alone.

Im interested to know any real advantage of just using hardware alone.

1. instant tweakability of every single parameter at once, no mouse clicks or midi assignments required.

2. the possibility of no tempo constraints (at least compared to reason) ie. two drum machines going at different tempos, not very useful but the freedom is there.

3. easier collaboration and improvisation

i understand the plus side of software, trust me, i used software primarily for my electronic stuff for over 12 years, and still do. it's great for composing when you know what you want. but for me, when playing live and improvising, having instant control of everything without having to look at a screen is hard to beat. i guess it comes down to me getting really into guitar improvisation lately, just running my guitar through a bunch of effects and a loop pedal and coming up with stuff like that. i did the same thing with a keyboard on the weekend and it was great.

also, sometimes freedom can be a limitation. i have made some of my best music from making the most of my limited equipment.

I understand your points completely but I still don't see an advantage in my mind, with midi controllers and multiple computers, multiple applications you could do all things you mentioned just as easily in my opinion.

If Im going to do some epic improvisation with a friend that could not be duplicated I would want all of the performance recording through midi in multiple channels to tweak how ever the fuck I want 2 years down the line. something you could never really do in hardware the way as I understand it.

Stick to 4/4.

limits increase creativity.

point in fact.

  vasio said:

Stick to 4/4.

even if you far prefer 3/4?

  Blanket Fort Collapse said:

hahaha I've read the rules, as extremely unconventional and non-sense as it may be I did compose a track in reason that was set at 11/11. I do not lie.

 

I could find a thread on EKT about time signatures at all with the search function.

I don't think you understand what 11/11 means. Just because you set the computer to say it's 11/11 doesn't make it so. You can set the signature to 6/8, but write it for 12. As modey mentioned, you probably wrote it for 11/8, because 11/11 would only be used for a quick run of 11 notes for offset another rhythm. Like how Stravinsky will throw in a bar of 8/8 after several bars of 4/4 or 2/4.

By the way, sonically, any rhythm can be written in any time signature. It's a moot point.

A piece written permanently in divisions of an 11th would be fucking annoying to play.

sometimes, when im feeling saucy, ill switch to 3/4

  messiaen said:

  vasio said:

Stick to 4/4.

 

even if you far prefer 3/4?

Yes even then, 4/4 with disco tom-toms is the only way.

lol tom-toms