Hecker - Acid In The Style Of David Tudor

well most dance music right now is pretty much at a conservative drunk ass retro lounge dead end so it's a relief to me that there is still noise music that can piss people off and sound like a worm trying to bust out of the speaker. it's not an ideal but at least it's something different.

I just find it funny when people find it drastically different or somewhat uncomfortable it has to instantly be "artsy"/"pointless"(not sure how dance music isn't technically pointless arrangements of meaningless information as well) and nothing else.

I can appreciate the unusual. I spent a year of university studying avant garde music of the early 20th cent. Different is great.

This is just lacking the brilliance music needs to have behind it for me. It's purposely presented as 'overly artistic' to make up for its insipid, boring lack of....lack of ANYTHING. I could easily listen to my refrigerator and hear more 'music' in it. Dance music at least has a structure and melodies/harmonies/rhythms.

(i.e. it is music, irregardless of its originality, or lack thereof.)

Waste 15 bucks on this if you wanna, I'm saving mine. Good to see people experimenting, but I'd release an hour of Hannah Montana cover songs before I put this out. No enjoyment in it for me, and most people I imagine.

  Phasen said:

This is just lacking the brilliance music needs to have behind it for me. It's purposely presented as 'overly artistic' to make up for its insipid, boring lack of....lack of ANYTHING. I could easily listen to my refrigerator and hear more 'music' in it.

imo the "anything" is the sound of whatever synthesis and stereo widening technique hecker uses on just about every track, that's distinctive to me after hearing lots of other synth stuff. you have to be more in the mindset of tapping and banging on things than of dancing to get into it. a total hecker revelation was playing it on the built in laptop speakers and listening to the panning while tilting the laptop around. I agree with you dance stuff is more fun but it's cool when experimental is this chaotic and not just drones, makes good dj tools too. :wink2:

this shit sounds like artsy academic fagfest. hecker may work live with AFX for me but not on its own.

this is not a comment about what Iefs wrote, but rather about hecker's haters:

instead of bullshiting everyone with your lessons in musicology (20th century composers, alva noto), just listen to a Hecker records ONCE, not just 30 seconds samples from boomkat. i'm not going to try to convince anyone but the whole "let me tell you something about avant-garde music 'coz i've heard 30 second samples via boomkat blah blah".

but sure, this stuff is definetly not for everyone.

  k h o v said:

instead of bullshiting everyone with your lessons in musicology (20th century composers, alva noto), just listen to a Hecker records ONCE, not just 30 seconds samples from boomkat. i'm not going to try to convince anyone but the whole "let me tell you something about avant-garde music 'coz i've heard 30 second samples via boomkat blah blah".

If you're saying this guy has released some interesting, innovative, musical work, please direct me to it. I really didn't/don't get Recordings For Rephlex, Blackest Ever Black, and now this stuff... but if there is some amazing work hiding away somewhere, please show it me.

All the samples of his stuff I've heard on Boomkat gave me the impression that all his work is pretentious shite however. I can't see an album-length shit being any different to 30 seconds of shit. (i.e. why would you promote samples of the worst parts of the album?)

And seriously, a lot of people have done similar kind of things much better (i.e. with some depth, innovation, knowledge. without clipping (I keep on about it but that really did make me cringe).)

theres no time or place in my life where I would listen to this kind of music

im willing to give this a shot..

please wait for my review...

it will be something

i dont get it

  encey said:

i dont get it

understandable i think the confusion in this thread can be easily explained

Hecker is one of the only very noisey DSP 'computer musicians' to crossover into the zietgiest of idm/dancable electronic music, mostly because of Aphex Twin's love from him and Mego doing a few of releases, a label that also put out Pita, Farmers Manual.

other than Rephlex and Mego paying attention to him there is really nothing about his music that woudl appeal more to an IDM/dance audience than any other of modern computer musician people out there ( in fact PXP and farmers manual would probably appeal more to a typical idm fan), it just happens to be that Hecker is very well known within these circles (mostly because of the fanboyism associated with aphex twin)

I like what Hecker does, and not because it tries to have a high concept, and yes anyone with a small knowledge of the history of experimental music will know that the title 'acid in the style of david tudor' is an obvious parody

Im sure there are some die-hard Hecker fans out there who will say he makes the weirdest most mind blowing noises on earth, im just not personally one of them. But i predict people like user 'Brian Tregaskin' will ride the shit out of Heckers nuts simply for the fact that he's on Rephlex records, and for most of those posers the obligatory 'must cultivate a love for anything Rephex' will commence.

Edit: the first track on here is cool but it sounds more like a track for people to live vicariously through the owner of a modular synthesizer rather than a real track. For anyone who's ever had the chance to play with one it's pretty easy to get these type of sounds.

I might have to check this out, not heard any of Hecker's stuff for a while, it's usually okay. Also, what's wrong with clipping?

  futureimage said:

If you're saying this guy has released some interesting, innovative, musical work, please direct me to it. I really didn't/don't get Recordings For Rephlex, Blackest Ever Black, and now this stuff... but if there is some amazing work hiding away somewhere, please show it me.

i discovered Hecker via this CD that i like a lot (think merzbow but more subtle with more precision, details, its pretty agressive yet very delicate)

http://www.discogs.com/Hecker-Sun-Pand%C3%.../release/105757

i really like this one too (think "field recordings of a computerish world, late at night), more quiet or atmospheric in a way.

http://www.discogs.com/Hecker-Electronic-M.../release/639224

  k h o v said:

  futureimage said:

If you're saying this guy has released some interesting, innovative, musical work, please direct me to it. I really didn't/don't get Recordings For Rephlex, Blackest Ever Black, and now this stuff... but if there is some amazing work hiding away somewhere, please show it me.

 

i discovered Hecker via this CD that i like a lot (think merzbow but more subtle with more precision, details, its pretty agressive yet very delicate)

http://www.discogs.com/Hecker-Sun-Pand%C3%.../release/105757

i really like this one too (think "field recordings of a computerish world, late at night), more quiet or atmospheric in a way.

http://www.discogs.com/Hecker-Electronic-M.../release/639224

that 2nd one off Mego is my favorite along with 'Noises for Rephlex'

although the 1st track like this discogs reviewer says is not really as good as the 2nd, doesn't really need to be 2 discs imo

  Awepittance said:

  encey said:

i dont get it

 

 

understandable i think the confusion in this thread can be easily explained

 

Hecker is one of the only very noisey DSP 'computer musicians' to crossover into the zietgiest of idm/dancable electronic music, mostly because of Aphex Twin's love from him and Mego doing a few of releases, a label that also put out Pita, Farmers Manual.

 

other than Rephlex and Mego paying attention to him there is really nothing about his music that woudl appeal more to an IDM/dance audience than any other of modern computer musician people out there ( in fact PXP and farmers manual would probably appeal more to a typical idm fan), it just happens to be that Hecker is very well known within these circles (mostly because of the fanboyism associated with aphex twin)

 

I like what Hecker does, and not because it tries to have a high concept, and yes anyone with a small knowledge of the history of experimental music will know that the title 'acid in the style of david tudor' is an obvious parody

 

Im sure there are some die-hard Hecker fans out there who will say he makes the weirdest most mind blowing noises on earth, im just not personally one of them. But i predict people like user 'Brian Tregaskin' will ride the shit out of Heckers nuts simply for the fact that he's on Rephlex records, and for most of those posers the obligatory 'must cultivate a love for anything Rephex' will commence.

 

Edit: the first track on here is cool but it sounds more like a track for people to live vicariously through the owner of a modular synthesizer rather than a real track. For anyone who's ever had the chance to play with one it's pretty easy to get these type of sounds.

Couldn't have said it better.

I just think that the mention of david tudor really does apply to this release. The fact people would be like "it's clipping!!!" really shows they don't know what he's talking about. I want to play this is a cheap 8 ohm speaker once I pirate it.

I know him from the critical praise for "Haunt Me ..." and from "My Love is Rotten to the Core." So I guess I was expecting something with more pads.

^lol

I received this a couple of days ago. I'm enjoying the ASA tracks

edit: i'ts''

are you down with the underground? pirate it in my PM box, and i will keep it forever voiceless to others

  encey said:

I know him from the critical praise for "Haunt Me ..." and from "My Love is Rotten to the Core." So I guess I was expecting something with more pads.

that's tim hecker, pal.

i once went into a record store called noisexchange looking for some pita or hecker records. the guy behind the counter looked at me weirdly and said "oh you mean that crazy impenetrable shit? nah". then i looked at the stuff they did stock - basically just breakcore/gabba/speedcore. noisexchange my ass!

+ Pita has (sometimes, not always..) a few incredibly catchy tunes with melodies. I haven't read many comments here about Pita's latest ones but they are truly great by the way, try to get "Works for GV".

  k h o v said:

+ Pita has (sometimes, not always..) a few incredibly catchy tunes with melodies. I haven't read many comments here about Pita's latest ones but they are truly great by the way, try to get "Works for GV".

yeah, i saw him live twice (once by himself and once with stephen o'malley as KTL) and it was awesome. when i saw him solo it was the first time i'd ever heard nice melodies in 'noise'.

  aron said:

  encey said:

I know him from the critical praise for "Haunt Me ..." and from "My Love is Rotten to the Core." So I guess I was expecting something with more pads.

 

that's tim hecker, pal.

*jots it down*

that explains a lot