Digg Interview With Trent Reznor

  Joyrex said:

Well, who are you to judge anything? Worked for me, might not work for you. I don't even think homeopathy has a cure for assholism yet.

Better off as an asshole than a superstitious person, especially in this century.

  Fred McGriff said:

Hehehhe!

I enjoyed the shit out of that, thanks Mr. Rex....

No matter what people think of NIN's music, Reznor is very intelligent, knows the business of music and how to make it sound good, so it is very interesting to know what he thinks about the current state of music....

and I don't think he is 'roiding it up unless someone has proof, dude just likes to work out....them arms ain't fat, he just has been hanging out with Henry Rollins for a long time and I think the Rollins way of life wore off on him..

  Awepittance said:

  Joyrex said:

I see nothing wrong with him offering his latest release for free as well as selling a premium edition for those who want such things

 

i agree with your general point but i wanted to clarify that only the 1st disc of Ghosts was free online, the rest of them you were required to pay for

the other three were standard CDs though, right? The Slip was free, with an option to buy.

  Joyrex said:

  Awepittance said:

  Joyrex said:

I see nothing wrong with him offering his latest release for free as well as selling a premium edition for those who want such things

 

i agree with your general point but i wanted to clarify that only the 1st disc of Ghosts was free online, the rest of them you were required to pay for

 

the other three were standard CDs though, right? The Slip was free, with an option to buy.

i believe the other 3 were digital purchases as well as Cds, and i forgot about Slip good call

  Joyrex said:

  sinicalypse said:

what's so great about his collective works?!@

 

this must be art that i clearly don't understand =D

 

I think most here would agree that The Downward Spiral, rather ironically named as it describes his output after said album, represents his pinnacle. Think what you will about whatever concept of "who" he is since you don't actually know him beyond his celebrity status, but the fact remains the man is a savvy businessman and I personally think he takes his music making seriously, and does care for his fanbase.

 

Whether we think it's any good or not is opinion; but the fact remains, if you support him by buying his release, you're giving him a reason to continue making music and validating his output to some degree.

 

I see nothing wrong with him offering his latest release for free as well as selling a premium edition for those who want such things - he obviously cannot give away premium items like deluxe box sets for free and still maintain an income so he can create more music. Do you own or want an Analord binder? Of course, you can get the regular 12" and still get the music without the binder, so he's not gouging the fans either, right?

please dont compare analord10 with the outrageous amount of shit music NIN has put out for the last 15 years.

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implication that Analord wasn't mediocre

dohohohoho

  lumpenprol said:

when the profit motive dictates that just the opposite is true: if something works, bottle it and sell it!

hmmm

imagine tomorrow a botanist discovers a magic herb that when taken, once only, cures super aids forever.

i could see pharm companies being a lot less interested in that than the magic herb that when taken twice daily supresses super aids.

yeah, except I can't think of a case where that has happened. Normally they find something that's somewhat effective - eg, the pacific yew tree's ability to combat cancer - and then refine the active ingredients into a more potent, marketable drug.

I'd be curious to hear of any cases where the "industry" actually effectively squashed an effective medicine or therapy for any significant period of time. Seems like that would be impossible given that sick people will follow any lead, no matter how unlikely.

What more often happens is people jump on some bandwagon alternative treatment, like St. John's Wort, only to later have it revealed as ineffective.

St Johns wart is an MOI inhibitor. It does work. But you shouldn't take it. Doses are iffy and you have to watch what you eat with MOI inhibitors

  k h o v said:

  Joyrex said:

  sinicalypse said:

what's so great about his collective works?!@

 

this must be art that i clearly don't understand =D

 

I think most here would agree that The Downward Spiral, rather ironically named as it describes his output after said album, represents his pinnacle. Think what you will about whatever concept of "who" he is since you don't actually know him beyond his celebrity status, but the fact remains the man is a savvy businessman and I personally think he takes his music making seriously, and does care for his fanbase.

 

Whether we think it's any good or not is opinion; but the fact remains, if you support him by buying his release, you're giving him a reason to continue making music and validating his output to some degree.

 

I see nothing wrong with him offering his latest release for free as well as selling a premium edition for those who want such things - he obviously cannot give away premium items like deluxe box sets for free and still maintain an income so he can create more music. Do you own or want an Analord binder? Of course, you can get the regular 12" and still get the music without the binder, so he's not gouging the fans either, right?

 

please dont compare analord10 with the outrageous amount of shit music NIN has put out for the last 15 years.

I wasn't comparing the music, you nonce, I was comparing the idea that Richard was selling an "exclusive" version at a premium price for those who wanted it, and later released the same tracks on normal vinyl and CD at regular prices, trying to show that artist Sini respects does the same thing as NIN and shouldn't be slagging off NIN for doing it as well.

  Joyrex said:

  k h o v said:

  Joyrex said:

  sinicalypse said:

what's so great about his collective works?!@

 

this must be art that i clearly don't understand =D

 

I think most here would agree that The Downward Spiral, rather ironically named as it describes his output after said album, represents his pinnacle. Think what you will about whatever concept of "who" he is since you don't actually know him beyond his celebrity status, but the fact remains the man is a savvy businessman and I personally think he takes his music making seriously, and does care for his fanbase.

 

Whether we think it's any good or not is opinion; but the fact remains, if you support him by buying his release, you're giving him a reason to continue making music and validating his output to some degree.

 

I see nothing wrong with him offering his latest release for free as well as selling a premium edition for those who want such things - he obviously cannot give away premium items like deluxe box sets for free and still maintain an income so he can create more music. Do you own or want an Analord binder? Of course, you can get the regular 12" and still get the music without the binder, so he's not gouging the fans either, right?

 

please dont compare analord10 with the outrageous amount of shit music NIN has put out for the last 15 years.

 

I wasn't comparing the music, you nonce, I was comparing the idea that Richard was selling an "exclusive" version at a premium price for those who wanted it, and later released the same tracks on normal vinyl and CD at regular prices, trying to show that artist Sini respects does the same thing as NIN and shouldn't be slagging off NIN for doing it as well.

although the 'normal' analord 10 is colour vinyl! more gimmicky. i would have preferred the proper one without the binder. (not really related to what you guys are discussing)

  Awepittance said:

  Joyrex said:

  Awepittance said:

  Joyrex said:

I see nothing wrong with him offering his latest release for free as well as selling a premium edition for those who want such things

 

i agree with your general point but i wanted to clarify that only the 1st disc of Ghosts was free online, the rest of them you were required to pay for

 

the other three were standard CDs though, right? The Slip was free, with an option to buy.

 

i believe the other 3 were digital purchases as well as Cds, and i forgot about Slip good call

this slip was lame. I thouroughly enjoietyed Ghosts and actually bought the 1-4

  tauboo said:

  Joyrex said:

  k h o v said:

  Joyrex said:

  sinicalypse said:

what's so great about his collective works?!@

 

this must be art that i clearly don't understand =D

 

I think most here would agree that The Downward Spiral, rather ironically named as it describes his output after said album, represents his pinnacle. Think what you will about whatever concept of "who" he is since you don't actually know him beyond his celebrity status, but the fact remains the man is a savvy businessman and I personally think he takes his music making seriously, and does care for his fanbase.

 

Whether we think it's any good or not is opinion; but the fact remains, if you support him by buying his release, you're giving him a reason to continue making music and validating his output to some degree.

 

I see nothing wrong with him offering his latest release for free as well as selling a premium edition for those who want such things - he obviously cannot give away premium items like deluxe box sets for free and still maintain an income so he can create more music. Do you own or want an Analord binder? Of course, you can get the regular 12" and still get the music without the binder, so he's not gouging the fans either, right?

 

please dont compare analord10 with the outrageous amount of shit music NIN has put out for the last 15 years.

 

I wasn't comparing the music, you nonce, I was comparing the idea that Richard was selling an "exclusive" version at a premium price for those who wanted it, and later released the same tracks on normal vinyl and CD at regular prices, trying to show that artist Sini respects does the same thing as NIN and shouldn't be slagging off NIN for doing it as well.

although the 'normal' analord 10 is colour vinyl! more gimmicky. i would have preferred the proper one without the binder. (not really related to what you guys are discussing)

look how desperately i take the opportunity to talk about aphex whilst not going in the subforums. it's pathetic.

  sinicalypse said:

wow, what a putz... and i'm gauging off of the still image i'm able to see of him and what i've read of everyone's analysis of what he said, seeing as internet video is at current a premium not afforded to me in my comcastically de-nutted paradise.

 

that said, why does anyone really care about trent reznor?!@ obviously this place shows great evidence of the big giant sucking NIN -> AFX pipeline that came circa hte late 90s / early 00s when people who got into the mystic genius of NIN eventually decided to "branch out" from their brazen leader and discover "whoa, there's people who make far better more interesting quintessentially more dynamic music without even 1% of the fundamental pretensiousness inherent to trent reznor's being.

 

i bet in his head he sees himself as some brazen leader of counterculture like if he heard a vsnares track he'd prolly smile and think that this quaint little electronic music wouldn't exist without his almighty influence somewhere way back in the day, if not present because the last few releases have been so fucking awesome so redefining my each and every semantic for "quality music" that i literally have to start looking at music totally anew after each re-release veritably zaps my p-ram with a new BIOS which i will use to understand the world that i live in.

 

trent's always been a melodramatic hack who as someone previously stated had really good timing and the right push from record labels to where his sound seemed completely out of leftfield and atypical and cosnequently fdesh and interesting to the mainstream peeps who had never heard anything like that before 1994, however, to anyone really into the styles of music that trent enroached on he's just kind of a joke, that nondescript bassist from the project pitchfork music video strumming along in the background... an overtly emo guy who made one of the world's greatest depeche mode tribute albums (pretty hate machine) and then became ostentatiously emo on top of his quasi-industrial/metal/machinerockey sound years before whining white longhaired pansies in skintight thriftstore jeans offsetting their newschool-neckerchiefs/scarfs/emiaciated bodies made it fashionable enough for the mainstream to go for pansies in eyeliner: THEY EMOTE. he hurt himself today?!@ ha. go fuck off you hoser, you had some moments i'll enjoy phm for what it is broken was kind of fun and after that you got popular and incessant and thought your shit didnt stank so bad that like, you ceased to matter, that is if you ever really did, and you're like the fucking bjork of dark brooding post-industrial/electronic/dare-i-say-IDM because you bring really mainstream vanilla people into the arts and like bjork they always have this love for their first love and pretend like they're some giant monolith of mattering in the world of the arts, but really, they're just something marginally cooler than the mainstream drede around when you started listening to them, and you'll always have that affinity, sure...

 

but basically really ask yourself does some schmuck who tries to sell you "NIN endorsed" photography and $50-100 uberrare bullshit versons of his LP, juxtaposed by the fact he'll give it to free if you want cuz he's such a fucking for-the-art artist that's what he'll do (someone else spoke of how he's an expert at fleecing his hardcores, akin to george lucas, ding ding ding)... i mean, did this guy ever really matter to the point where it's like earthshaking news papa trent has some thoughts for the masses?!2

 

fuck this guy up his stupid fat steroid ridden hamburgered post-emo ass, he's irrelevent.

sinicalypse is my new watmm buddy.

  sinicalypse said:

wow, what a putz... and i'm gauging off of the still image i'm able to see of him and what i've read of everyone's analysis of what he said, seeing as internet video is at current a premium not afforded to me in my comcastically de-nutted paradise.

 

that said, why does anyone really care about trent reznor?!@ obviously this place shows great evidence of the big giant sucking NIN -> AFX pipeline that came circa hte late 90s / early 00s when people who got into the mystic genius of NIN eventually decided to "branch out" from their brazen leader and discover "whoa, there's people who make far better more interesting quintessentially more dynamic music without even 1% of the fundamental pretensiousness inherent to trent reznor's being.

 

i bet in his head he sees himself as some brazen leader of counterculture like if he heard a vsnares track he'd prolly smile and think that this quaint little electronic music wouldn't exist without his almighty influence somewhere way back in the day, if not present because the last few releases have been so fucking awesome so redefining my each and every semantic for "quality music" that i literally have to start looking at music totally anew after each re-release veritably zaps my p-ram with a new BIOS which i will use to understand the world that i live in.

 

trent's always been a melodramatic hack who as someone previously stated had really good timing and the right push from record labels to where his sound seemed completely out of leftfield and atypical and cosnequently fdesh and interesting to the mainstream peeps who had never heard anything like that before 1994, however, to anyone really into the styles of music that trent enroached on he's just kind of a joke, that nondescript bassist from the project pitchfork music video strumming along in the background... an overtly emo guy who made one of the world's greatest depeche mode tribute albums (pretty hate machine) and then became ostentatiously emo on top of his quasi-industrial/metal/machinerockey sound years before whining white longhaired pansies in skintight thriftstore jeans offsetting their newschool-neckerchiefs/scarfs/emiaciated bodies made it fashionable enough for the mainstream to go for pansies in eyeliner: THEY EMOTE. he hurt himself today?!@ ha. go fuck off you hoser, you had some moments i'll enjoy phm for what it is broken was kind of fun and after that you got popular and incessant and thought your shit didnt stank so bad that like, you ceased to matter, that is if you ever really did, and you're like the fucking bjork of dark brooding post-industrial/electronic/dare-i-say-IDM because you bring really mainstream vanilla people into the arts and like bjork they always have this love for their first love and pretend like they're some giant monolith of mattering in the world of the arts, but really, they're just something marginally cooler than the mainstream drede around when you started listening to them, and you'll always have that affinity, sure...

 

but basically really ask yourself does some schmuck who tries to sell you "NIN endorsed" photography and $50-100 uberrare bullshit versons of his LP, juxtaposed by the fact he'll give it to free if you want cuz he's such a fucking for-the-art artist that's what he'll do (someone else spoke of how he's an expert at fleecing his hardcores, akin to george lucas, ding ding ding)... i mean, did this guy ever really matter to the point where it's like earthshaking news papa trent has some thoughts for the masses?!2

 

fuck this guy up his stupid fat steroid ridden hamburgered post-emo ass, he's irrelevent.

Or like...Trent Reznor made some music and did an interview on the internet, and you're projecting a whole shitload of personal insecurity and feelings of irrelevance onto him.

From what I know & read, it seems that whoever is writing such large paragraphs aimed solely at the hatred for him seems to be jealous or personally pissed off with what he's doing. Though, I don't quite understand how someone would hate him so much when there are many more artists that are far worse than him.

I have a fair few songs that I really love by him or have been remixes that they've released. Whoever is in the process of making these brilliant songs I love is good in my books, even if it's spice girls releasing an aphex twin remix of their songs.

  marf said:

St Johns wart is an MOI inhibitor. It does work. But you shouldn't take it. Doses are iffy and you have to watch what you eat with MOI inhibitors

st. john's wort is not an 'MOI inhibitor'. there is no such thing as an 'MOI inhibitor'.

the acronym is MAOI (and the I stands for inhibitor).

semantics is the bomb

well since he's telling people how to use substances that can easily kill you, I figured I'd make sure everyone (including him) knew what he was actually talking about...

but back to the topic at hand...

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In this book Cassie mentions that she told her mother NIN stood for Nice Is Neat, so she could get the new Nine Inch Nails CD. However, in real life NIN hadn't released an album since 1994 at that point.

(from the wikipedia article on Animorphs #12)

is that a reference to cass daley?

  Fred McGriff said:

semantics is the bomb

It's not semantics, it's nomenclature. :angry:

  Fred McGriff said:

is that a reference to cass daley?

i sure hope so.

good interview. reznor looks like a cross between an uncle of mine and paul teuttle senior from american chopper. i don't think he's on 'roids or just gone off 'roids or any BS. he's just getting old and exercises a lot. things don't stretch as gracefully for him now as they did ten years ago.

  chax said:

his advice to musicians who are just starting out and trying to 'make it' couldn't be further from reality. Sure NIN exists in a bubble where he can give music away and still make cash off of concerts + 'deluxe collectors items' but blah blah blah blah

he talks about NIN because that's what he does. he has a lot of good ideas. so what if not all of them are relevant to you? chill out