baraka

  THIS IS MICHAEL JACKSON said:

  chaosmachine said:

  plisb said:

for anyone interested, Baraka was recently uploaded in HD on Youtube.

Starts with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gWaS5JWIVc .

I'm staying up as long as it takes to watch this...

*drools*

 

wow, this is pretty nice. no surprise youtube was predicted to lose half a billion dollars this year in bandwidth fees..

is it just me or your pc also freezes when watching HD videos on youtube???

what web browser are you trying it on?

firefox

they don't freeze, they gag...

Stuttering here as well. But that's just Flash video sucking at HD. (this is a fresh installed quad core with nice GPU)

okay, just watched baraka for the first time ... impressive, but, VERY derivative of the qatsi films and then it often felt like i was watching an enigma video. the music was great, though, especially at the end; and i would imagine that on blu-ray, in 5.1, on a huge tv, on shrooms, it would be life-changing etc

i thought this thread was going to be about a novelty barack obama maraca.

  playbynumbers said:

okay, just watched baraka for the first time ... impressive, but, VERY derivative of the qatsi films and then it often felt like i was watching an enigma video. the music was great, though, especially at the end; and i would imagine that on blu-ray, in 5.1, on a huge tv, on shrooms, it would be life-changing etc

i imagine most things, seen on blu ray, in 5.1, on a huge tv, on shrooms, would be life changing, etc.

and i thought this was building on the qatsi films, which i'm personally not a huge fan of. i didn't get the feeling that it was derivative, just influenced by. as far as it looking like an enigma video, i dunno, sometimes you have to just surrender to the beauty of the world, dude, lol

Hey when you are the cinematographer of Koya, and it was the first and as such a craftman you really had to experiment and test for quite a few years (some of the footage in that movie are like 5 years apart), it kinda leaves a mark no?

Anyway I don't see much "evolution" in that inevidently the technical aspect of the craft that is movie, it is bound to go forward. Now you have complicated time-lapse move, HD quality, CGI, lots of new techniques, etc...

But that's not just what there is about. That's not cinema. That's how cinema is made. Fricke must innovate, as all directors do. They all do that, it's their job. But the best of them add something else. I haven't seen that from him, yet.

  zaphod said:

and i thought this was building on the qatsi films, which i'm personally not a huge fan of.

i'm really not a fan of them at all, is the thing

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i didn't get the feeling that it was derivative, just influenced by. as far as it looking like an enigma video, i dunno, sometimes you have to just surrender to the beauty of the world, dude, lol

lol, well, i was trying to surrender but then there would be a heavy-handed cut from chickens on an assembly line to ... PEOPLE IN A SUBWAY LINE, OMG, IT'S LIKE THE SAME THING

  Philip Glass said:

Hey when you are the cinematographer of Koya, and it was the first and as such a craftman you really had to experiment and test for quite a few years (some of the footage in that movie are like 5 years apart), it kinda leaves a mark no?

 

Anyway I don't see much "evolution" in that inevidently the technical aspect of the craft that is movie, it is bound to go forward. Now you have complicated time-lapse move, HD quality, CGI, lots of new techniques, etc...

 

But that's not just what there is about. That's not cinema. That's how cinema is made. Fricke must innovate, as all directors do. They all do that, it's their job. But the best of them add something else. I haven't seen that from him, yet.

also, what's with all the qatsi hate? i so rarely encounter people who like this shit -- but fuck it's awesome. HOLY FUCK THE MUSIC IS AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Qatsi are not Fricke, it's Reggio.

fricke's mark on koyaanisqatsi is quite clear though, at least when the first film is viewed in context with the other two and with baraka.

  Alcofribas said:

also, what's with all the qatsi hate?

the qatsi films are fucking boring, they aren't really that well shot, they're extremely heavy-handed and tedious, etc. i can see how it sounded good as an IDEA, but it was repetitive and obvious and trite and uninteresting, perhaps worsened by the fact that the creators clearly thought they were making the most profound philosophical movie of all time (the creator came to my college, in 2003, because a professor of mine ran a film festival thing, and the guy definitely seemed to feel this way about himself)

  Alcofribas said:

also, what's with all the qatsi hate?

things that are ambitious and creative usually get more hate than things that are not. you don't see many people on here hating on 'ghost's of girlfriends past' but you will see a lot of charlie kaufmann and qatsi hate

the movies are what they are, but its understandable that for a lot of film buffs the hype is quite strong. If one has their expectations too high before watching Baraka or Qatsi movies you may not enjoy them.

first off, i was quoting p. glass b/c i agreed with his comments on fricke -- i should have maybe thrown in a qft so as not to seem like i was saying he was hating on qatsi...

as for the movie being heavy handed, well yeah, that's kind of the point isn't it? it's called "life out of balance." i think the structure of the film itself is supposed to mimic the heavy handed qualities of life in the so-called first world. yes, it was also very repetitive, but again, kinda the point dude. i'm certain that was intentional; i think the accompaniment of the glass music illuminates what i'm talking about...

i doubt that godfrey reggio thinks he was making the most important film of all time -- i think he's just really serious about the issue of technology and seems to be the kind of person who is really committed and focused on what he does, perhaps even obsessive. i mean, the dude joined a monastery when he was 14 or something; he's dedicated. for what it's worth i've talked with him a few times over the years and i've always felt he's a pretty humble and sweet guy.

this seems like something i'd enjoy a lot. wonder why i have never seen it...

thanks for the thread though. just ordered the blu-ray

Just for the record I loved Koyaanisqatsi, which is the only movie from the trilogy I've seen.

chronos is pretty good.. never seen samsara (dont have a propa subs for it..)

..but, anyone seen this : Erinnerungen an die Zukunft (Erich von Däniken - Chariots of the Gods) .. its not *really* like any of the qatsies or baraka or such.. but rather interesting nevertheless,, and stunning

mind that its from 1970...

  tidbit said:

chronos is pretty good.. never seen samsara (dont have a propa subs for it..)

Uh Samsara isn't out.

  tidbit said:

chronos is pretty good.. never seen samsara (dont have a propa subs for it..)

 

..but, anyone seen this : Erinnerungen an die Zukunft (Erich von Däniken - Chariots of the Gods) .. its not *really* like any of the qatsies or baraka or such.. but rather interesting nevertheless,, and stunning

 

mind that its from 1970...

one of IMDB's recommendations was "Botschaft der Götter - Mysteries of the gods." a documentary narrated by william shatner about the influence of ancient astronauts

oh my lol.. gotta find that one.

man, i swore you dudes said the second qatsi film was good. the visuals were nice enough. it was like a series of good moving photographs. but it had none of the impact that koyanisqatsi had. and the mad over top themes of nature and modern technology and shit from koyanisqatsi (over the top because its so blatent with heaps of contrasting imagery) was heaps toned down and.. not as interesting? when applied to a foreign country peeps.

i dunno, maybe i just wasnt into it because i watched after koyanisqatsi, but i pretty much hated powaqqatsi :r

I have to agree with PBN about all the Qatsi stuff. If I was somehow capable of tuning out the pedantic (and yes, trite) philosophy these films peddle, I might just jerk off to them as screensavers. Unfortunately, I rub elbows with a bunch of Science & Natural History MFA knobheads who think of Fricke et al. as "experimental" filmmakers while in reality, they just make blue-chip Discovery Channel films without the Grierson voice of god. The Edit of God is no less condescending IMO. As PBN pointed out, some of the edits in these films are truly nauseating.

I have Planet Earth on Blu-ray and I masturbate to it once in awhile as it's quite easily some of the best nature porn ever.

All that being said, I'll check out Baraka some day. I thought The Fall was almost unwatchable. Come on, PBN, you gave Let the Right One In a lot of shit for its pretentiousness and The Fall gets a pass from you because it has nice photography and locations? It was fucking terrible! :teeth:

just biked in to mention.. that i watched samsara, and i didnt like it.

chronos works quite well actually, mainly because its only 40mins long..

  pigster said:

man, i swore you dudes said the second qatsi film was good. the visuals were nice enough. it was like a series of good moving photographs. but it had none of the impact that koyanisqatsi had. and the mad over top themes of nature and modern technology and shit from koyanisqatsi (over the top because its so blatent with heaps of contrasting imagery) was heaps toned down and.. not as interesting? when applied to a foreign country peeps.

i dunno, maybe i just wasnt into it because i watched after koyanisqatsi, but i pretty much hated powaqqatsi :r

Powa doesn't have the same meaning, of course, it's not the same movie. It's about men and their transformation of earth in a more primitive way. Notice how it's almost all in third or second-world countries, unlike Koya which is almost all the modern and technological world.

Let's try to forget Naqoyqatsi (except for the music, of course)

  tidbit said:

just biked in to mention.. that i watched samsara, and i didnt like it.

Dude we told you, Samsara is NOT OUT YET. You watched another movie with the same name.

Anyway, I must defend at least Koyaanisqatsi, in that the esthetics of that movie is more important nowadays than the movie itself, the same way that "The Jazz Singer" is important to cinema. This was experimental movie-making back then, and we must appreciate that.