The Cat Torturer

  Bread said:

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I think some people are just born asshole. Some people are born nice and generous. I don't believe its all a product of conditioning. Why are siblings often so different? Personalities in my opinion are not just from the aggregate affect of experiences.

So you're saying there is a "cat killer" gene and if you've got it, there's nothing you can do about it? Genes are physical material which give us our biological make-up, chemicals like testosterone for example can set about propensities for different behaviours within an environment.. but I look at behaviour as a psychological reaction - and a psychological reaction is determined by environmental, external factors, not necessarily genetic factors. Unless they discover the "cat killer" gene, the "greedy" or "abhorrent" gene, I'll stick to what I have learnt and researched so far on this subject matter. It's complex, but the whole nature vs nurture debate will always be there in scenarios like this one. You can't just discard a human being without researching into that person's background and conditioning.

Maybe, They have studies where serial killers and sociopaths have different brains. Areas of the brains are large than normal etc. Im too lazy to look it up. I don't think we are all born blank slates, No

  marf said:

  Bread said:

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I think some people are just born asshole. Some people are born nice and generous. I don't believe its all a product of conditioning. Why are siblings often so different? Personalities in my opinion are not just from the aggregate affect of experiences.

So you're saying there is a "cat killer" gene and if you've got it, there's nothing you can do about it? Genes are physical material which give us our biological make-up, chemicals like testosterone for example can set about propensities for different behaviours within an environment.. but I look at behaviour as a psychological reaction - and a psychological reaction is determined by environmental, external factors, not necessarily genetic factors. Unless they discover the "cat killer" gene, the "greedy" or "abhorrent" gene, I'll stick to what I have learnt and researched so far on this subject matter. It's complex, but the whole nature vs nurture debate will always be there in scenarios like this one. You can't just discard a human being without researching into that person's background and conditioning.

 

 

 

Maybe, They have studies where serial killers and sociopaths have different brains. Areas of the brains are large than normal etc. Im too lazy to look it up. I don't think we are all born blank slates, No

I wouldn't say we're born bank slates, but genetics is limited and barely touches the complexity of experiencing certain behaviours we pick and up and learn in the world around us. I think it's a pretty lazy arguement to say "well some people are just born as a cruel cunt" - it doesn't make any sense.

come on it's an incredibly complex mixture of factors.

grey zone.

nobody actually thinks we are born blank slates anymore.

or that everything is predetermined by nature

(though it is)

upbringing is pretty fucking important

i bet this dudes mother had siamese cats

and loved them but hated him

fuck i hate it when people say shit like

omg this guys so fucked up he shouldnt be allowed to roam the streets.

im looking at you clitterhaus

i dont know why, but fuck.

siamese cats shouldn't be allowed to roam the streets

he has to be on the internet right? facebook, myspace, WoW forum, etc

The beasts been jailed pending another phychiatric evaluation. All i can say is get this brute behind bars long term. Fat prick.

Do we know how long he's in prison for? I'm sure the psychiatric review will not attempt to get to the root cause of why he did what he did.

I think that this guy could be jailed for years and then wihin one week the media will have have lost interest in his fat torso an his beastly ways. In which case it's up to me to keep the fat, fat cunt in the spotlight.

lol. I wonder what the true rate for recidivism and escalation of criminal behavior there is in young people like this...what's the true likelihood of him growing up to be a killer? When I was young I had a friend who set a neighbor's dog on fire, he's now happily married with kids and, as far as I can tell, a decent guy. I went through a phase of killing birds with my bb-gun. Of course repeated animal torture is different and more troubling...

i think the worst i've ever done is tear off the wings of fly. i even felt bad doing that. if i saw a frog crossing a road i'd probably slow down

  On 6/24/2009 at 7:02 PM, Bread said:

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So you're saying there is a "cat killer" gene and if you've got it, there's nothing you can do about it? Genes are physical material which give us our biological make-up, chemicals like testosterone for example can set about propensities for different behaviours within an environment.. but I look at behaviour as a psychological reaction - and a psychological reaction is determined by environmental, external factors, not necessarily genetic factors. Unless they discover the "cat killer" gene, the "greedy" or "abhorrent" gene, I'll stick to what I have learnt and researched so far on this subject matter. It's complex, but the whole nature vs nurture debate will always be there in scenarios like this one. You can't just discard a human being without researching into that person's background and conditioning.

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Maybe, They have studies where serial killers and sociopaths have different brains. Areas of the brains are large than normal etc. Im too lazy to look it up. I don't think we are all born blank slates, No

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I wouldn't say we're born bank slates, but genetics is limited and barely touches the complexity of experiencing certain behaviours we pick and up and learn in the world around us. I think it's a pretty lazy arguement to say "well some people are just born as a cruel cunt" - it doesn't make any sense.

genetics is limited? you just have to look at case studies on twins to see how huge an influence genetics has on behavior.

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genetics is limited? you just have to look at case studies on twins to see how huge an influence genetics has on behavior.

Please could you expand upon this post, you've left nothing for me to reply to regarding behaviour in twins.. why don't you share what you may know?

Values are learned, you aren't born with a set of values. Some behaviours are learned depending on the context/scenario we're talking about. Sexual behaviour, for instance, relates very highly back to genetics as our brains are hard wired to survive and reproduce - however people miss an important thing when discussing behavioural patterns, and that is human beings having a huge cerebral cortex; depending on the scenario, our brain would choose to learn a new behaviour instead of following a preset behaviour set about in the more primitive area of the brain. Genetics set about propensities for the most part -- the environment triggers these propensities so you can almost look at both the environment and genetics working together to form a behaviour. There could be a gene which gives way to depression for instance (I'm not saying THERE IS, I am merely using this as an example to explain the following), but it takes an environmental factor such as a close relative passing away to really trigger an acute onset of depression. A chair with 3 legs instead of 4 is not dangerous UNTIL you sit on it -- relate this back to the above example to see where I'm trying to come from. The depression is not going to happen (even though you may have the gene there to act as a propensity) unless an external environmental cause triggers the depression to occur.

  On 10/26/2009 at 1:02 AM, Bread said:

Please could you expand upon this post, you've left nothing for me to reply to regarding behaviour in twins.. why don't you share what you may know?

twins, separated at birth and raised in different environments, share similarities in personality, careers, school performance, etc. i can't direct you to any specific case studies, because i don't have any psychology books with me, but i suppose a quick google search excluding all those sensationalist news articles would show you what i mean.

i see what you mean. i think our views just differ on the amount of weight that genetic propensities have on personality.

Bread, we musnt dwell on the Cat Torturer's state of mind. He is a sick beast. He is nothing. He a abused peoples pets, nothing in life will ever be the same for him again. He's in jail now. Best place for him. As i stated a few months ago, i dont want this fat cunt walking the streets, fat fucking beast. He's also a raper

he should get mauled by cats

lol @ Asian Mafia kicking his ass for increasing competition.

bread, do you study genetics or is all this stuff just from zeitgeist?

  On 10/27/2009 at 4:01 PM, ezkerraldean said:

bread, do you study genetics or is all this stuff just from zeitgeist?

No I'm not a genetics student -- all Zeitgeist Addendum has acted as is a catalyst for me to learn more about this subject field.. that is all -- it was that film which initially sparked my interest in 2008 on human behaviours.

I am currently studying for a Univeristy degree in Psychology -- eventually moving onto clinical psychology

I read about genetics in internet articles/research and studies/documentaries etc.. Although I'm no geneticist, I try to formulate my answers on what I have learnt as well as my life experiences.. There's still so much I haven't looked into, however, psychology can never be overlooked in the debate between human nature vs human nurture. To summarise how I feel, it is both genetics and environment working hand-in-hand: meaning the genetics provide the propensities and potentialities and the environment triggers these propensities. Genes provide the physical biological make up of human beings, it does not ingrain human values + opinions + beliefs + abhorrent behaviour. I hope that makes sense. After ten years of study, I may come back and change my views after learning something new -- we as organisms are always changing!