Reason Record

The mixer section looks pretty nice, but I don't really see any point of installing this...

  adorno1982 said:

can't find anything i can't do in renoise

well...you can't stream large audio files and the track routing isn't as good when compared to other daws (no sidechaining or routing midi data from one track to another), but of course there are work-arounds.

  Awepittance said:

its a sad day in the music world when Reason fans get excited about its integration for 'recording' about 9 years into it's existence

Next, they're going to revolutionize the industry by allowing you to use third party vst's with your sequencer of choice!

WOWZA!!!

  Braintree said:

  Awepittance said:

its a sad day in the music world when Reason fans get excited about its integration for 'recording' about 9 years into it's existence

 

Next, they're going to revolutionize the industry by allowing you to use third party vst's with your sequencer of choice!

 

WOWZA!!!

reasons sound quality has been getting better, so it might just reach a point they will have effects just as good as vsts, but i agree, it' needs vsts and that should have been available for the longest time..... other than that thouhg it can be a good program

i'm sure we can agree, with this audio multitracking added the only thing holding it back is the vst support/ cross your fingers

  yek said:

  Braintree said:

  Awepittance said:

its a sad day in the music world when Reason fans get excited about its integration for 'recording' about 9 years into it's existence

 

Next, they're going to revolutionize the industry by allowing you to use third party vst's with your sequencer of choice!

 

WOWZA!!!

reasons sound quality has been getting better, so it might just reach a point they will have effects just as good as vsts, but i agree, it' needs vsts and that should have been available for the longest time..... other than that thouhg it can be a good program

i'm sure we can agree, with this audio multitracking added the only thing holding it back is the vst support/ cross your fingers

Sound quality isn't really the issue, reasons, quality IS getting better but I want to be able to use reaktor, absynth, the waves plugins, the sonnox plugins, the voxengo plugins, battery, kotakt, the kjaerhaus plugins, etc etc there are literally thousands more. I'm not asking for quality, not for the stuff I could potentially use reason for, just the ability to use these plugs to make the sound i want to hear. Reason, and record, doesn't have this yet.

And I REALLY doubt the mixer being equivalent to an ssl 9000, i've used one quite a lot, and they sound great, if software COULD sound as good as them yet then whatever the recording platform then i'm incredibly impressed. not to mention the lack of loads of great mic preaps that an ssl gives you.

so anyway, even if reason's quality was top notch it would still be a limited number of vst's where almost EVERY other program alows you a near limitless number.

I work in a studio where we have lots of great, for example, compressors. Any given compressor in that studio is great and has an amazing 'quality' but just one would really not have the same magical effect. Its a combination which makes the grade. With vst etc. you can come near to that very necessary choice, with reason and record, you cannot, quality is not the issue.

Its an entry level recording software at best.

that said, I do stand by the statement that it means jack what program you use, as long as you know it you can make great music.

So if you like reason and record looks good, go for it, but the marketing hype just smacks off the usual bu****it.

I find this whole software loyalty thing, and excitement over a new update of a daw a bit silly. why get excitied over an update like this when almost very other daw has been able to do it for years and years? they are all easy to learn over a couple of evenings with manual, you should have a basic understaniding of most daw's so you can make an informed decision over which is better for which task.

I started with an early version of cool edit combined with fruity loops and tuareg and i found a way to make that combo sound great very easily. I know that these progs will seem very new school compared to the stuff a lot of watmm users are using! I find it hard to work out why people who use reason have been waiting for this update for years when so many other progs have been able to do it since they first came out. I've always used reason for what its good for, and i like it a lot but getting exciited over an what is essentialy an update like this seems really silly.

sorry for the rant, I am drunk :)

o x

I still like ableton better but I'll beta

I think it looks nice, and looks like it's gonna be useful for guitar players specially.

  welcome to the machine said:

I find this whole software loyalty thing, and excitement over a new update of a daw a bit silly. why get excitied over an update like this when almost very other daw has been able to do it for years and years? they are all easy to learn over a couple of evenings with manual, you should have a basic understaniding of most daw's so you can make an informed decision over which is better for which task.

 

I started with an early version of cool edit combined with fruity loops and tuareg and i found a way to make that combo sound great very easily. I know that these progs will seem very new school compared to the stuff a lot of watmm users are using! I find it hard to work out why people who use reason have been waiting for this update for years when so many other progs have been able to do it since they first came out. I've always used reason for what its good for, and i like it a lot but getting exciited over an what is essentialy an update like this seems really silly.

 

sorry for the rant, I am drunk :)

 

o x

In my case and probably a few others, loyalty would be a very bad word for why I use reason, I use cubase for recording, do a decent amount of work to the wav's in reason and then bounce to sound forge usually. If I thought another program had a better interface and was more effective than reason for getting my ideas realized I would use whatever was better or go for the easiest solution.

I have always loved the way reason looks like hardware, I can make the compressors, reverbs, multiple delays, millions of eq units, routing, scream distortion unit etc. do exactly what I want to make the music I want to make.

If something comes a long that I would like better I would probably use it but I guess I do have a lot of respect for propellerheads and line 6.

as far VSTs I can understand someones points on why they logically decided it barely wouldnt be worth it.

I will continue not to bitch that I have to use cubase and sound forge for my VST desires.

Give your mixes that big studio sound! Record's effects and mixing console bring instant million dollar sheen to your tracks!

fuckin lol

reason, as a standalone program, is completely useless

  welcome to the machine said:

why get excitied over an update like this when almost very other daw has been able to do it for years and years?

no one's getting excited, we're just talking about some news from Propellerheads.

As you can see from the video, Record isn't really aimed at Reason users primarily - its aimed at stoned guitarists who can't figure out how to use cubase, and can only scrape together $300 for software : )

Its pretty much like Garageband isn't it? I haven't used Garageband but I imagine it was aimed at the same niche.

  welcome to the machine said:

that said, I do stand by the statement that it means jack what program you use, as long as you know it you can make great music.

yes

  Blanket Fort Collapse said:

In my case and probably a few others, loyalty would be a very bad word for why I use reason, I use cubase for recording, do a decent amount of work to the wav's in reason and then bounce to sound forge usually. If I thought another program had a better interface and was more effective than reason for getting my ideas realized I would use whatever was better or go for the easiest solution...

yeah, thats the side I am arguing for! Use whatever you need and use them for their strengths.

You do see people on forums and otherwise that do show that sort of loyalty, and then get excited when a very basic advance is made!

  zazen said:

  welcome to the machine said:

why get excitied over an update like this when almost very other daw has been able to do it for years and years?

no one's getting excited, we're just talking about some news from Propellerheads.

 

 

As you can see from the video, Record isn't really aimed at Reason users primarily - its aimed at stoned guitarists who can't figure out how to use cubase, and can only scrape together $300 for software : )

 

Its pretty much like Garageband isn't it? I haven't used Garageband but I imagine it was aimed at the same niche.

yeah, I wasn't accusing anyone here or in particular of excitement :) but I hate that 'wow look at this!!' advertising thing, that inevitably transfers some of that sensationalism to customers. Not so much posters on this forum but definitely with other forums and people I work with.

yeah, looks like a garageband style thing when standalone, but if you already have reason then they integrate so it looks as though this is propellerheads way of addressing the record-in-reason thing as well.

  chimera slot mom said:

Give your mixes that big studio sound! Record's effects and mixing console bring instant million dollar sheen to your tracks!

 

fuckin lol

 

reason, as a standalone program, is completely useless

It is not my intention to zealously defend Reason. I have not tried a lot of software, so I cannot really judge which software I'd prefer. I realize that it's pretty arbitrary why I use reason, and there would be a large benifit to shopping around and trying out other software. However, I don't think you can say the whole program is rubbish. A lot of Luke Vibert records were made entirely in reason, including "Sorry I make you lush".

That ad looks like a spoof to me.

The ad annoyed the fucking shit out of me.

  narkeworld said:

That ad looks like a spoof to me.

yes it does, it reminded me of that Onion 'mac wheel' joke video

I used reason up until 4.0 and i have to say this is pretty much bullshit. Just by itself its as expensive as the full version of FL with about a quarter of the functionality? And these "new" features shouldve been included in reason 4 to begin with, but then i guess they couldnt charge you 300 dollars for it. Its becoming pretty apparent that propellerheads isnt trying to make intuitive functional software for capturing ideas so much as it is trying to make money off a certain "kind" of person.

As many of you know, I am a huge Reason fan, and I use it almost exclusively. That being said, regarding "Record"....:

Too little, too late.

  42Orange said:

Its becoming pretty apparent that propellerheads isnt trying to make intuitive functional software for capturing ideas so much as it is trying to make money off a certain "kind" of person.

nah. I have a feeling this program is going to be quite intuitive. I just don't think I'll ever use it. If it supported VST's though, I'd be on it like a hobo with a ham sandwich.

  Awepittance said:

  narkeworld said:

That ad looks like a spoof to me.

 

yes it does, it reminded me of that Onion 'mac wheel' joke video

Yeah, yeah, I didn't get your reference at first but now I remember that Onion video and this Record ad looked funny, not in a ha ha way but in a somebody is making a joke kinda way, it really looks that way around the time in the ad where the lead singer is getting into the "right state of mind" to sing.

  narkeworld said:

  Awepittance said:

  narkeworld said:

That ad looks like a spoof to me.

 

yes it does, it reminded me of that Onion 'mac wheel' joke video

 

Yeah, yeah, I didn't get your reference at first but now I remember that Onion video and this Record ad looked funny, not in a ha ha way but in a somebody is making a joke kinda way, it really looks that way around the time in the ad where the lead singer is getting into the "right state of mind" to sing.

i often wonder if ads i see from advertising groups are made as slights or almost parodies of the product secrelty. like the person making the ad is so clever the person buying it didnt realize this

  Awepittance said:

i often wonder if ads i see from advertising groups are made as slights or almost parodies of the product secrelty. like the person making the ad is so clever the person buying it didnt realize this

i'm sure this happens. I know I'd do it if I were in the advertising game.

i opened the page up in a tab, then clicked on the youtube video before i looked at the page.

then i closed the page with out looking at it. i dont see anything in this that i haven't done / can't do in ableton.

and i say that as someone who almost exclusively writes in reason.

it's pretty funny that they're making a big deal out of this. you shouldn't have to buy a fucking add on program just to be able to record real sounds and use them in reason.

plus it's pretty apparent that either 1) they don't have the capital to make a real DAW 2) they are milking their fan base for everything they're worth. get ready for reason's ultra shiny new VST program that only costs an additional $200 and you can use EVERY VST! omg imagine if the beatles has access to every VST AND REAL TIME AUDIO RECORDING INSANE

  theSun said:

it's pretty funny that they're making a big deal out of this. you shouldn't have to buy a fucking add on program just to be able to record real sounds and use them in reason.

point missed.

think pro-tools, not soundforge

  blicero said:

  theSun said:

it's pretty funny that they're making a big deal out of this. you shouldn't have to buy a fucking add on program just to be able to record real sounds and use them in reason.

 

point missed.

 

think pro-tools, not soundforge

i don't think he's missing the point at all