The God Chemical

  Salvatorin said:

In a very fractalline way, all of time has led up to a point where we, as a species, break free of it (???); the iterations repeat themselves on smaller scales until we finally hit the point of no return.

I find this very interesting, because according to my (limited) understanding of fractals and their mechanics, the iterations are infinite (nothing is too small to get a little bit smaller). the term 'point of no return' suggests an end, a destination, a conclusion (or a new beginning). so I would be curious to hear how you arrived at that concept.

Well in our current psychological and societal make-up, we are confined to our perception of time. As our development speeds up, eventually, something, some kind of "point of transition" would happen as a logical step up in our evolution, because as the iterations reach a density that succeeds that of our rate of perception, either we perish, or somehow transcend the constraints of time.

Really, its not so much a fractal but a chaotic bifurcation diagram, once a certain input is crossed, the chaos gives way to order, and vice versa.

It is now quite a given that world infrastructure and the global consumer market is going to be stretched to a breaking point as global warming sets in harder (due to positive feedback loops), and it has not seemed possible yet to me that the current system is salvageable. Of course, anything is possible, but I think this is related to the point of transition, in that either we fall back into a primitive state and are forced to work up again, or we somehow make our way through the problems that lie ahead.

This is an interesting and very comprehensive report on the basic ideas of technological singularity: http://www.kurzweilai.net/articles/art0134.html?printable=1

wow, it's going to take me awhile to read that article...

here's wotsisname talking about narcopsychedelic vs. 'spiritual' experiences:

i'm gonna do acid (LSA) next week with a tactfull friend. We will enter the fractal trip then record our endless speech.

After that, i'm gonna try to make an interactional analysis(lausanne univ. style) of the most interesting parts.

i mean something like that

I think the bid deal is within the language and its linearity. How can one express MULTIDIMENSIONAL ideas with a linear stream such as speech. Fractals of course ! because they evolve in noninteger dimensions ! AHAHA I'M A GENIUS

psychedelix science is da shit.

cool story bro

  Babar said:

i'm gonna do acid (LSA) next week with a tactfull friend. We will enter the fractal trip then record our endless speech.

After that, i'm gonna try to make an interactional analysis(lausanne univ. style) of the most interesting parts.

i mean something like that

 

I think the bid deal is within the language and its linearity. How can one express MULTIDIMENSIONAL ideas with a linear stream such as speech. Fractals of course ! because they evolve in noninteger dimensions ! AHAHA I'M A GENIUS

 

psychedelix science is da shit.

immensely good idea

never liked LSA. just got an immense body load with only the mental part of acid without the visuals. and then usually threw up after awhile. don't like it.

yeah LSA can work pretty badly on the stomach. I've never felt queasy though, while a friend of mine drools like a muthafucka then barf his insides every time. It must depend on the person, i dunno, i've did LSA like 20-40 times in my life and never have puked. However, eating the mush that result from grinding the seeds, is always the worst thing ever (apart the first time). That's like the body remembers it and rejects it.

I've been told LSD is waaaaaaaaay stronger than LSA, visually and mentally. The fact is that lysergic acid (A or D)'s effects highly depends on your mindset, the surroundings, people you're tripping with etc... For a same dose (i always take 10 gr of ipomea seed or 10 seeds of HBWR) i've ascertain very various effects. Sometimes you felt nothing while in other cases you feel like in a van gogh painting. Once i took LSA with friends, we tripped, we peaked, then we came down to earth. The magic was gone we felt tired and finally parted. Then i received a call from some others friends, and decided to join. I walked to the place which was 2 miles from where i were, whilst listening to a couple slowed down analords. When i arrived i was more high than when i were peaking. It was a pure moment of depersonalization, i had this feeling... i don't know how to decribe it, but in short it was like my thoughts were totally automatic, even this very idea that my thinking were on autopilot mode.

What i want to point out is that you can somehow direct/enhance the trip (thanks mr afx), willingly or not. And for that i think LSD, i.e. a drug you usually don't know how strongly it is dosed can be harmful, evenso if it's more efficient in comparaison with LSA. Although I would do LSD in company with a psychiatrist and a ready-to-use syringe of neuroleptics, but that's not gonna happen soon. But to me LSD is too much in the god chemical thing than in the meditation/placebo/whatever thing. LSD ? why not, but preferably with someone experimented (a shaman a psy etc) : that's my point : psychedelics, especially powerfull ones, shouldn't be taken as re-creative drugs.

  Salvatorin said:

immensely good idea

Well i'm not sure to succeed because the model i'll apply is mainly based on thematic units. It's easy to outline theme/subject matter in everyday speech (i.e. "we talked about dogs, then we talked about girls, and we ended the conversation by making a foray into love songs"). Acid trips are rather like riding a wave imo, and there are no clear boundaries between conversational themes : simple ideas seem to devide into numerous ideas, iteratively. And that's quite similar to the fractal-like delusion you can experiment : the visual cortex gets at a lower level (told me a neurologist, one of the most passionated guy i've ever met). Someone on watmm has "LSD = debug mode" in his sig. I think he's quite right.