Guest Mr Salads Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Awepittance said: Mr Salads said: Looks terrible. Mr Salads what happened to you man Look at her mouth dude. Thats just as creepy as Polar Express Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46195-james-camerons-avatar/page/3/#findComment-1055982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Mr Salads said: Awepittance said: Mr Salads said: Looks terrible. Mr Salads what happened to you man Look at her mouth dude. Thats just as creepy as Polar Express for someone who feels like you are inside every 3d movie you see that's a surprising statement Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Hide awepittance's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46195-james-camerons-avatar/page/3/#findComment-1055984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazen Posted June 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 (edited) Mr Salads said: Those are fake. yeah, they could be there was apparently some concept art floating around but fox got everyone to pull it from the web sites edit: this link apparently has a grainy shot of a rough rendering of the cgi model of a na'vi alien and has been confirmed by someone or other yadda yadda yadda Edited June 3, 2009 by zazen Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46195-james-camerons-avatar/page/3/#findComment-1055989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest catsonearth Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 zazen said: here's some early concept art of the na'vi aliens, although apparently it has changed a lot since these were done. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « http://www.flixster.com/news/2008/11/21/james-camerons-avatar-navi-concept-art-revealed they're definately still blue though, because Cameron talks about blue creatures a lot in the interviews edit: ok, those images above might be fake, its hard to tell yea, i think those turned out to be fake, though the general idea is similar, if i remember correctly. Awepittance said: Mr Salads said: Looks terrible. Mr Salads what happened to you man sounds like the same ol' salads to me. :undecided: Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46195-james-camerons-avatar/page/3/#findComment-1055995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazen Posted June 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 as I post in this thread I am finding a ridiculous amount of hype about this movie on various sites e.g. from this link Quote "I have worked on many 'big' films, and normally working on a film ruins the 'magic.' You go and see the film and your inside knowledge affects the way you see the finished result "I remember that, a crane was holding that up with a forklift etc etc".....BUT... The finished shots I have seen gave me goose pimples. Seriously, just try to think how blown away you were by the first time you saw Star Wars, then multiply it by 50. Then double it. Only then will you be 1% closer to appreciating how good this is going to be." 50 multiplied by 2 will only be 1% of ... by my reckoning he's saying it will blow you away 10,000 times more than star wars??? a tad over-hyped. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46195-james-camerons-avatar/page/3/#findComment-1056010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Salads Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Yes just a tad. Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46195-james-camerons-avatar/page/3/#findComment-1056036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred McGriff Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 things usually live up to large hype tho Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46195-james-camerons-avatar/page/3/#findComment-1056043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Salads Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 You are right, this is going to fuck your eyeballs and come in your brain Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46195-james-camerons-avatar/page/3/#findComment-1056064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 jizzin in neurons and synapses Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Hide awepittance's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46195-james-camerons-avatar/page/3/#findComment-1056086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackdust Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Even if the film doesn't live up to the hype (not saying it wont). The technology will kick start some new techniques pretty much how Cameron made the abyss to test out that blob so he could do the T-1000, so his next project Battle Angel will have worked out all the kinks. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46195-james-camerons-avatar/page/3/#findComment-1056277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blir Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Battle Angel is a bit of a faggy title. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46195-james-camerons-avatar/page/3/#findComment-1056282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazen Posted June 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Battle Angel is a manga thing apparently about a cyborg chick. The title might make more sense when you see the cover of the original manga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BAA_1_cover.jpg Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46195-james-camerons-avatar/page/3/#findComment-1056331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blir Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Oh I'm not saying it doesn't make sense or I don't get it, just think it's a shit name is all. Not sure it'll transfer well to film either, but then I've never read the manga so I could be wrong. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46195-james-camerons-avatar/page/3/#findComment-1056333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lala Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 catsonearth said: zaphod said: all the hype about this is so incredibly vague...i'm really looking forward to it but i have no clue what makes it "game changing" or whatever. we'll see... from what i've heard what makes it so "game changing" is the fact that it's a completely new kind of 3D. not your standard "stuff pops out of the screen at you" gimmicky 3D, but more like the film screen is a window through which you're looking into a 3D world where you can perceive depth, perspective and volume. sounds pretty badass to me, but i think james cameron is pretty much a genius anyway, so i'm predisposed. havent finished the rest of the thread, but if you think thats good you should get an nvidia card + lcd shutterglasses, a crt monitor and play HL2 or painkiller - been doing this for years and im glad the world might be catching up finally. shader intensive games, some of the shaders arent actually 3d, its a trick, and 3d across the gaming board would make them sort it the fuck out! HL2/painkiller on the other hand, oh fuck they look good. not sure about crysis, im waiting for the new cards before i upgrade.. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Hide lala's signature Hide all signatures Beethoven, ages ago, said: To play a wrong note is insignificant. To play without passion is inexcusable Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46195-james-camerons-avatar/page/3/#findComment-1056335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lala Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Awepittance said: Mr Salads said: Awepittance said: Mr Salads said: They DO give you a sense of actually being there. only like 1-2 3d movies i've seen actually do this, the rest are kind of half baked efforts (chicken little, monsters VS aliens, etc) Every 3d movie I have seen has done this. Dont bullshit me. haha im not bullshitting you , most 3d movies may try to do what you describe i just don't think most of them succeed except for a few. Are you really susceptible to the 3d glasses than the average person? I don't think most people here could say 'Chicken Little' made them feel like they were inside the film. there are varying degrees of this 'pull you in' sensation and i think some movies fail miserably at it and some are like being on LSD while sober (the latter is much rarer). you really need to be able to change the depth settings and stuff like that for a proper 3d experience - i whack it up mental with games and it makes you seem really small and everything really large, works well to create fear or courage. odd experience:] would also matter where in the cinema you sit, as to how much pop you get ;] Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Hide lala's signature Hide all signatures Beethoven, ages ago, said: To play a wrong note is insignificant. To play without passion is inexcusable Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46195-james-camerons-avatar/page/3/#findComment-1056336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lala Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 yeah, its so ridiculous with 3d games, just sitting around with the immersion is out of this world. project trico/last guardian is the perfect showcase, mix it with blunts if you still smoke and roll in the grass with the big dragon? it would be soo cool. damn i miss doing that. i hope next gen are 3d so i can play quadico3D or whatever it will be. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Hide lala's signature Hide all signatures Beethoven, ages ago, said: To play a wrong note is insignificant. To play without passion is inexcusable Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46195-james-camerons-avatar/page/3/#findComment-1056337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazen Posted June 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Gamespot has some details of the Stereoscopic 3D Avatar game that was demoed at private sessions at E3: http://e3.gamespot.com/story/6211102/james...rst-impressions » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « The science fiction epic takes place in the far future on the small moon of Pandora where a mining corporation is seeking an all-powerful adamantium alloy. Pandora is inhabited by the 10-foot-tall blue-skinned indigenous Na'vi people, and its air isn't breathable by human lungs. Thankfully, the corporation has developed a process to create hybrid human/Na'vi avatars, empty bodies in which they can embed the consciousness of a human. Cameron wrote the script for the movie 14 years ago but was waiting for the technology to support his concept. Stepping up to match his grandiose ideas, Ubisoft is developing Avatar: The Game in full stereoscopic 3D (seen in movies such as Beowulf 3D and Monsters vs. Aliens. Ubisoft showed the game on a massive 130-inch prototype Panasonic plasma 3D TV; however, you'll be able to play the game on regular displays as well. We've seen 3D game tech demonstrations in the past, such as Gran Turismo 5 and Motorstorm: Pacific Rift at CES 2009, but the concept never gets old and really has to be experienced to be fully appreciated. Characters, heads-up displays, weapons, debris, particles, and the environment feel like they literally pop out of the screen at various degrees, and the heightened sense 3D creates is amazing. Grass pops up inches away from your face, and carnivorous plants burst into a floating gas cloud that you feel like you're in the middle of. Text commands hang in front of the TV, making their presence feel more immediate. Bullet cartridges fly past your head when you empty a magazine. If only every game, and indeed every movie, were viewable in this format. Also there was a full size model of the avatar mech-suit at E3, pics here: http://www.collider.com/2009/06/02/e3-2009...amerons-avatar/ Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46195-james-camerons-avatar/page/3/#findComment-1057082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Blanket Fort Collapse Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Mr Salads said: King kong had some really crap CGI. hahaha no shit I dont know why awetipeance or whatever his name is keeps saying every movies cgi is weak compared to shitty ass plastic polished video gameish looking King Kong, fucking amazing how some people seem to have such a mindless opinion on art no offense Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46195-james-camerons-avatar/page/3/#findComment-1057104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Dylan Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 (edited) King Kong at the top of the Empire State Building = perfect CGI. Dudes, get on with reality (or irreality lol). Anyway, it's totally logical that visual entertainment is bound to get closer and closer to our "brain" as we advance technologically. That means 3d, glasses with head motion for Games/movie/ That thing about not having to focus your eyes, but you let yourself go with the movie, is some sort of "breaking the fourth wall" in a way if you think about it. You are watching the God-like watcher. In games that could happen too, we've seen more and more depth of field stuff appear in games. I really can see games and movies going the same way, but with a major tangeant (one is passive, the other active). In fact let's say in 50 years, both could have merged into a single entity. Games try hard to become cinematic, and movies want to be more and more game-like. p.s.: Lawnmower man ha Edited June 4, 2009 by Philip Glass Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Hide Bob Dylan's signature Hide all signatures *** This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation *** helping America into the New World... Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46195-james-camerons-avatar/page/3/#findComment-1057178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tv_party Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 pirates of the caribbean had some amazing cgi (the kraken). Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46195-james-camerons-avatar/page/3/#findComment-1057185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 (edited) Blanket Fort Collapse said: no offense only get offended when people disagree with me who *do not* have shit taste Philip Glass said: King Kong at the top of the Empire State Building = perfect CGI. Dudes, get on with reality (or irreality lol). thanks for speaking truth :kiss: Edited June 4, 2009 by Awepittance Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Hide awepittance's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46195-james-camerons-avatar/page/3/#findComment-1057330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zaphod Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 i didn't watch all of king kong. while the cgi was expressive, it was hardly what i would call "good". Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46195-james-camerons-avatar/page/3/#findComment-1057334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 (edited) zaphod said: i didn't watch all of king kong. while the cgi was expressive, it was hardly what i would call "good". i guess it's just a difference in opinion, for instance Coal Bucket (and maybe you?)liked Terminator Salvation one of the worst films i've ever seen. but in all honesty i think you have to be a really jaded person in to not be somewhat impressed by the work done on the King Kong character in that film. i mean shit i felt for that monkey in king kong, and i dont think a CGI character in a movie since or before was able to give me any sense of empathy. So in the context of this discussion (avatar and special effects evolution) first there was Gollum imo the first successful fully CGI character in a live action film, then there was King Kong. Now there will be avatar, and i am confident with WETA at the helm they will at least produce some CGI characters that will leave a huge impression in people's brains. If anybody is anticipating this film and thinks the cgi in LOTR or KIng Kong is shit you really should lower your expectations. for certain individuals like myself those two movies were the jumping off point to something even more grand and i think Avatar could be it Edited June 4, 2009 by Awepittance Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Hide awepittance's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46195-james-camerons-avatar/page/3/#findComment-1057337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 there are also people i think who suffer much more from the uncanny valley effect than others for instance i know people who think every CGI human recreation they have ever seen looks terrible even that Metrics one above to them looks like a cartoon. To me it looks 100% real. So i guess what im saying is when it comes to living creatures or humans humanoids it's much harder to convince people Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Hide awepittance's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46195-james-camerons-avatar/page/3/#findComment-1057356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zaphod Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 (edited) i liked terminator salvation as a crappy, b movie. although thinking back it wasn't something i'd ever want to see again. like i said, king kong was expressive, but the actual quality of the cgi was lacking imo. it looked fake as hell at parts. it's sort of impossible to compare it with avatar, which no one has seen any footage of. i don't really see the point, other than saying that weta does know how to handle special effects so this might be a remarkable movie. i actually prefer expressive effects over extremely realistic ones, which is why i can go back and watch movies from the eighties and enjoy the effects sequences more than say, transformers. and that youtube clip someone linked doesn't look realistic. the mouth is the centerpoint for expression in the face. if it is off, which it undoubtedly is in that vid, then the whole thing will look strange. i'm sorry, but it just doesn't look real. not to say it isn't impressive, but it is most certainly not "photo real" looking. Edited June 4, 2009 by zaphod Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/46195-james-camerons-avatar/page/3/#findComment-1057360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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