On the subject of the Salvinorin Continuum

When it really boils down to it, though, I have placed an unhealthy, almost fanatical strain on the concept of technological singularity, in that I am unfazed in my belief in our right, as a species, to move forward. This is my only true fanaticism, and it might be in error. But every I see, it is happening, every day, we are stepping into this alien future, and we don't even know it. In the words of Robert Fripp (lol), "Our present position is the bridge between, but we have yet to discover it, because we are building the bridge while crossing it." It is inevitable that this kind of belief mirrors that of conservative christians, or islamic radicals...but after you alienates yourself from "culture" and steps back into it, (whether it be based on physical isolation, or knowledge gaining, or direct experience) it just doesn't feel right to comfort yourself with the mind numbing confines of a delusional society. But this fire isn't working against me...so far it has been a wonderful tool.

IMMENSE CORRIDORS OF PRINGLES FACES, EVENTUALLY LEADING TO A MASSIVE ANTECHAMBER WHERE THE FROG FROM SUGAR SMACKS RESIDED, AND CONVINCED ME IT WAS NECESSARY TO CONSTRUCT A WOODEN SHIELD WITH HIS FACE ON IT LATER.

  On 7/6/2009 at 2:00 AM, asymmetrical head said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FahcWhq1SzA

lol

i guess for me i just can't get on board with this analogy of salvia you have created. I interpret the salvia experience differently. i can see parts of it as being similar to what i have experienced, and the whole fractal idea is interesting as well. i can kind of see that, that there are infinite universes all a gradient of one another with slight variations and different laws of physics. in a straight forward simplistic way i can see thqt one would see salvia 'dumping' you into a lower ladder rung of this fractal you describe.

DMT trips are much easier to describe for me and with DMT there much more of a common trip experience than there is with salvia. Read the book 'DMT the spirit molecule' its a good read.

and Salvitorin i think your posts in this thread are pretty well written, it's some of these other responses dove tailing into it that i get bothered by, the kind of jumping or latching onto a way to describe a psychedelic experience, group think if you will. I get equally irritated when people describe DMT trips as 'seeing the elves' etc

  On 7/7/2009 at 10:23 AM, Salvatorin said:

When it really boils down to it, though, I have placed an unhealthy, almost fanatical strain on the concept of technological singularity, in that I am unfazed in my belief in our right, as a species,

when you say singularity are you using it in the sense that once artificial intelligence exceeds human intelligence the rate of progress will increase extremely fast?

if so what does that have to do with salvia?

  On 7/7/2009 at 10:28 AM, Salvatorin said:

 

IMMENSE CORRIDORS OF PRINGLES FACES, EVENTUALLY LEADING TO A MASSIVE ANTECHAMBER WHERE THE FROG FROM SUGAR SMACKS RESIDED, AND CONVINCED ME IT WAS NECESSARY TO CONSTRUCT A WOODEN SHIELD WITH HIS FACE ON IT LATER.

 

now i can get on board with jive my nigga!

this is the closest thing made by any artist that reminds me of my own salvia trips (the video not the shit song)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hmpxsk3dHaA

all i can think about is those "gardening on salvia" videos, and how the guy gets progressively more burnt out looking the farther you go in the series. Remember, drugs are just a fascinating way of tweaking (and ultimately damaging) your brain circuitry. Take it too far, and you'll end up like weed.

  On 7/7/2009 at 11:35 AM, Awepittance said:

when you say singularity are you using it in the sense that once artificial intelligence exceeds human intelligence the rate of progress will increase extremely fast?

if so what does that have to do with salvia?

i am also confused by this.

  On 7/7/2009 at 8:22 AM, Salvatorin said:

Well I experienced the ego loss to begin with, and although it was mind shattering, I sought to find more control in what was happening by forcing my ego to maintain, keep a sense of self, so I could empirically observe what was going on without the associated confusion

i always figured i wasn't getting a full run with salvia because i reflexively clung to my ego. i've tried a lot of things many times, but nothing has ever made me forget who i am and what drugs i'm on!! so, you sure?

  On 7/7/2009 at 10:23 AM, Salvatorin said:

When it really boils down to it, though, I have placed an unhealthy, almost fanatical strain on the concept of technological singularity, in that I am unfazed in my belief in our right, as a species, to move forward. This is my only true fanaticism, and it might be in error. But every I see, it is happening, every day, we are stepping into this alien future, and we don't even know it.

i grew out of this phase a couple years ago

go take a Linear Algebra course if you want to learn more about hyperdimensional space. I'm not being sardonic, mathematics has opened my perception to these ideas more than drugs ever did. I've had very compelling out of body experiences by salvia, but all it does is suggest how narrow human experience really is. if you want to really understand reality or even be able to seriously discuss it.. you have to put in some real work.

you guys sound like you would really enjoy stephen wolfram's ideas

sometimes i regret giving up hallucinogens for heroin. like, always. now that i've started and stopped heroin, its way harder to get excited about Grids and Dr. Pepper and etc. i just feel like any experience w/salvia will end in laughter, vomit, headache.

This isn't directly related to salvia other than in its geometric implications for me

Well, my own interest in sacred architecture, geometric archetypes, and archeology fuzed when I heard of Gobekli Tepe, which as you might know, is the 11,000 year old temple found in southeastern Turkey. This particular temple is the oldest religious site ever found, and here is the kick: it predates pottery and agriculture...but also early strains of sheep and grain where domesticated there, but only thousands of years after the temple was used (it was deliberately buried). What this implies is that the construction of the temple, done by nomadic hunter-gatherers, fueled the construction of the first sedentary societies, not the other way around. This revolutionary new look at the neolithic brings a whole new question: why build the temple? Well this is just a budding thought, but I think that it might've been the first attempt at representing a kind of spiritual realm, in physical form. But where does the folk understanding of a "spiritual realm" come from? If DMT has been present in our brains, and serving some function over the course of evolution, couldn't we, as a species, base at least part of our folk belief of spirits on the indirect effects of the chemical being inside of us? Could all of Human history's struggle, from animal to alien, be based on reaching full societal connection with a higher state of being? Because somehow, unknowingly, or perhaps knowingly, these early nomads, by breaking out of character and building this temple...have paved the way for everything following it, directly or indirectly-thus, some stimulus (which just might have something to do with DMT) threw us, as a species, in a flying leap out of classical evolution into technological evolution, beholding some kind of future for us which logistically speaking, lies within our grasp.

The DMT aspect of it is very complicated and needs to be clarified further, but once again I have to get a Dr. Pepper.

  On 7/7/2009 at 7:13 PM, hahathhat said:

i always figured i wasn't getting a full run with salvia because i reflexively clung to my ego. i've tried a lot of things many times, but nothing has ever made me forget who i am and what drugs i'm on!! so, you sure?

salvia is so strong for me personally that i don't even have a chance to cling to my ego at certain dosages, i think you are probably a 'hard head', your body chemistry may be more insensitive to psychedelics than most people, because its only natural to try to cling to ones ego when one is losing it, but certain psychedelic dosages will make it impossible for you to cling to it for very long.

  On 7/7/2009 at 7:49 PM, dugbert said:

go take a Linear Algebra course if you want to learn more about hyperdimensional space. I'm not being sardonic, mathematics has opened my perception to these ideas more than drugs ever did. I've had very compelling out of body experiences by salvia, but all it does is suggest how narrow human experience really is. if you want to really understand reality or even be able to seriously discuss it.. you have to put in some real work.

 

you guys sound like you would really enjoy stephen wolfram's ideas

i took a linear algebra course... care to elaborate?? maybe the one i took didn't go far enough.

wolfram is somewhat overhyped, in no small part due to his ability to self-promote. nonetheless, i saw him speak once, and i'd love to hear him again. he had a neat green laser pointer. his book is good for squishing bugs but i didn't manage to get too far into it before library due date

  On 7/7/2009 at 9:17 PM, Awepittance said:

salvia is so strong for me personally that i don't even have a chance to cling to my ego at certain dosages, i think you are probably a 'hard head', your body chemistry may be more insensitive to psychedelics than most people, because its only natural to try to cling to ones ego when one is losing it, but certain psychedelic dosages will make it impossible for you to cling to it for very long.

well, i didn't really process it until afterwards (the fact that i was clinging to my ego). i feel like, next time, with that in mind, i might be able to unclench a little and help it along... but, yeah, higher dose might help too.

i got 10x, what do you chaps have?

Thoreau also wore a neck-beard for many years, which he insisted many women found attractive

Wet socks don't bother me. I just didn't like the water squishing around in my boots. Now, don't worry

about me, lamb. I shall just sit down for a moment and pop on my boots and then I'll be on my way.

Speaking of ways, pet, by the way, there is such a thing as a tesseract.

if anyone is interested, the song "Community" on my myspace (via the image in my sig) was made after/in tribute to my second salvia experience.

  On 7/7/2009 at 9:17 PM, Awepittance said:

 

 

salvia is so strong for me personally that i don't even have a chance to cling to my ego at certain dosages, i think you are probably a 'hard head', your body chemistry may be more insensitive to psychedelics than most people, because its only natural to try to cling to ones ego when one is losing it, but certain psychedelic dosages will make it impossible for you to cling to it for very long.

indeed. I remember my first ego loss was my second trip on mushrooms, i hadn't read about ego loss at the time but I remember very distinctly feeling my "self" pop and disappear...afterwards I really understood the beatles line "I know what it's like to be dead." The paradoxical thing about ego loss on drugs is that most people I've met who use psychadelics regularly are the most egotistical people imaginable, in the sense that they are completely wrapped up in their own navel-gazing and are no longer capable of empathy towards others. It's probably a form of PTSD, the body's natural tendency to form a scab over a wound, in this case a psychic one. And after all no matter how much you feel ego loss during a trip, it's still only happening within your own head, unlike the ego loss you'd get from finding true love, or having a child, and opening yourself up to the possibility of being emotionally destroyed by another human being.

thats a really interesting point you made, lumpenprol. i feel like psychedelics have made me especially wrapped up in myself in that i am constantly trying to figure out exactly who, or what, I am.

i feel like it's robbed my of my ability to be affectionate. i can't fall in love anymore.

then again, perhaps i haven't found the right girl in a long, long time

  On 7/9/2009 at 2:57 AM, doorjamb said:

Wet socks don't bother me. I just didn't like the water squishing around in my boots. Now, don't worry

about me, lamb. I shall just sit down for a moment and pop on my boots and then I'll be on my way.

Speaking of ways, pet, by the way, there is such a thing as a tesseract.

a wrinkle in time??

edit: lol at the part i missed at first, guess i was spot-on

  On 7/7/2009 at 9:41 PM, hahathhat said:

 

i got 10x, what do you chaps have?

these days, thats like saying 'i have marijuana' because there are extremely varying qualities of salvia extract preparations. In fact most of the 10x being sold at head shops is pure shit, usually not more than a 2x or 3x really.

daniel siebert's shop sells good stuff but its expensive, i have some pure salvia tar that i've dried down that i can send you (if you live in a place where it is legal). I'd say it's about 20x and im not fucking around.

I used about 100 leaves mixed it with denatured alcohol then filtered them through a coffee paper then evaporated it completely down. Most people put this extracted portion back onto normal leave hence the X strength but i feel this is the best way to use it, you can also stick some under your tongue with a sip of grain alcohol and get pretty slammed.

I've reserved myself only for 60x on up. Everything below for me is just not worth it, really I'd like only to keep to 120x. At 120x is where I have been trying to see a recurring pattern in the complete and utter destruction of everything you would call "sense" and replacement with pure geometry and data. But then again, with the varying tolerance levels that people have, I'm not sure how that relates with your experience at 20x.

  On 7/9/2009 at 7:28 AM, Salvatorin said:

I've reserved myself only for 60x on up. Everything below for me is just not worth it, really I'd like only to keep to 120x. At 120x is where I have been trying to see a recurring pattern in the complete and utter destruction of everything you would call "sense" and replacement with pure geometry and data. But then again, with the varying tolerance levels that people have, I'm not sure how that relates with your experience at 20x.

haha man i dont even know how to respond to this, unless you have pure salvinorin A in your possession i highly doubt what you smoke is even 40X or above

newbs, i smoke 500x. I also shoot lightning from my penis.

  On 7/9/2009 at 7:28 AM, Salvatorin said:

I've reserved myself only for 60x on up. Everything below for me is just not worth it, really I'd like only to keep to 120x. At 120x is where I have been trying to see a recurring pattern in the complete and utter destruction of everything you would call "sense" and replacement with pure geometry and data. But then again, with the varying tolerance levels that people have, I'm not sure how that relates with your experience at 20x.

I bought the 2nd to highest potency salvia that salviazone has (they don't sell it by "x", but by 5 levels of description, and I only bought the 2nd highest instead of highest because they didn't sell that product 1.5 years ago, which was the last time I did it.) and I'll tell you what, one tiny pinch (TINY, like nowhere NEAR a full lungful of smoke) and I was fucked. I was completely gone before I finished blowing out the smoke. ridiculous salvia is.

EDIT: The reason I originally quoted salvatorin was to say holy shit that sounds ridiculous.