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  On 7/25/2009 at 9:22 AM, modey said:

i'm sure if you had a donate button you'd get $$240 pretty quickly!

OK, let's see if you're right...

http://forum.watmm.com/donate.html

:)

bring the ads back!!!

People should donate $1 for every 100 posts they have.

In theory this would raise over $10,000. Possibly enough to also buy George a new liver, procured from a Burmese street urchin. Although he would be paying for half of it himself obviously.

Member donations are tough. I personally dont think its worth it to pay for archiving all this stuff. Let's live like we're gonna die tomorrow.

Keep it lean. Use those ads.

Let's get sponsored by Rephlex or something.

To be honest a subtle banner ad at the bottom wouldn't bother me at all, I might even click it if papa asked nicely.

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There we go, 50$ from me.

Awesome, thanks! If my math is correct, we're less than $100 away from our goal now!

  On 7/25/2009 at 4:44 PM, chaosmachine said:

  On 7/25/2009 at 11:54 AM, zazen said:

4 or 5 years ago we were in a situation where watmm relied on member donations to stay on a dedicated server

 

and it did not prove to be sustainable.

 

the $10 a month plan might work out OK, as Tauboo suggests.

 

The server we had at the time was $99/month. $40/month is a lot easier to raise.

 

We already have an "unlimited" plan. The problem is we share this server with hundreds of other accounts, and we're using most of the CPU, so all the other sites get slowed down. It reached a point where they had to take our site offline to avoid affecting all the other customers. With a private server, that's no longer an issue.

Thats interesting.

If you're paying for a certain level of service and the ISP is stuggling to provide that service and their other customers are suffering as a result, that is their problem, not yours, I would have thought. They need to buy more servers, not ask you to go dedicated.

(I understand that it might not work like that in practice. It sounds like you don't have much choice at the moment - I get the impression they are saying upgrade to a full server or they will have to turn watmm off to be fair to their other customers?)

  On 7/25/2009 at 7:54 PM, zazen said:

  On 7/25/2009 at 4:44 PM, chaosmachine said:

  On 7/25/2009 at 11:54 AM, zazen said:

4 or 5 years ago we were in a situation where watmm relied on member donations to stay on a dedicated server

 

and it did not prove to be sustainable.

 

the $10 a month plan might work out OK, as Tauboo suggests.

 

The server we had at the time was $99/month. $40/month is a lot easier to raise.

 

We already have an "unlimited" plan. The problem is we share this server with hundreds of other accounts, and we're using most of the CPU, so all the other sites get slowed down. It reached a point where they had to take our site offline to avoid affecting all the other customers. With a private server, that's no longer an issue.

 

Thats interesting.

 

If you're paying for a certain level of service and the ISP is stuggling to provide that service and their other customers are suffering as a result, that is their problem, not yours, I would have thought. They need to buy more servers, not ask you to go dedicated.

 

(I understand that it might not work like that in practice. It sounds like you don't have much choice at the moment - I get the impression they are saying upgrade to a full server or they will have to turn watmm off to be fair to their other customers?)

Our database alone is probably bigger than 80% of the other sites on the box, and that's not including our 80+ gig download collection.

It would be nice if we could use their entire server for $6/month, but that's not really viable. It's like tap water. In theory, it's unlimited. You can turn the tap on full and let it run all day. But if everyone did that, things would break in a hurry. Shared hosting relies on the same idea: that most people will make sparing use of the unlimited resources.

In practice, the contract says if we're using more than 10% CPU, they reserve the right to suspend the account.

This is the same problem we ran into on Dreamhost. It just took us a bit longer to run into it on the new host.

what happened to the google links at the bottom of the page? bring those back, if only for the fact they were random and fun

  On 7/25/2009 at 8:08 PM, yek said:

what happened to the google links at the bottom of the page? bring those back, if only for the fact they were random and fun

The market for those died in the recession last year. Site advertising is a very bad market right now, it's hard to find good sponsors.

fucked

  On 7/25/2009 at 8:07 PM, chaosmachine said:

  On 7/25/2009 at 7:54 PM, zazen said:

blah

 

Our database alone is probably bigger than 80% of the other sites on the box, and that's not including our 80+ gig download collection.

 

It would be nice if we could use their entire server for $6/month, but that's not really viable. It's like tap water. In theory, it's unlimited. You can turn the tap on full and let it run all day. But if everyone did that, things would break in a hurry. Shared hosting relies on the same idea: that most people will make sparing use of the unlimited resources.

 

In practice, the contract says if we're using more than 10% CPU, they reserve the right to suspend the account.

 

This is the same problem we ran into on Dreamhost. It just took us a bit longer to run into it on the new host.

Oh, I see.

Can they throttle us down to 10% max while we think about it? Slow running would be preferable to pulling the plug.

(so kindof the way this got fixed last time was essentially by losing all the history during the move to the new host. as much as I admire XLT's unbroken history and as much as I dislike losing threads, the reality is that most of the threads on this forum would not be mourned for very long if they got lost. we have survived through it before ; ) probably you could delete everything past page 3 on each forum index and no one would even notice as long as their post counts stayed the same!)

mmmmm evony

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  On 7/25/2009 at 8:20 PM, zazen said:

Oh, I see.

 

Can they throttle us down to 10% max while we think about it? Slow running would be preferable to pulling the plug.

 

(so kindof the way this got fixed last time was essentially by losing all the history during the move to the new host. as much as I admire XLT's unbroken history and as much as I dislike losing threads, the reality is that most of the threads on this forum would not be mourned for very long if they got lost. we have survived through it before ; ) probably you could delete everything past page 3 on each forum index and no one would even notice as long as their post counts stayed the same!)

There isn't an easy way to throttle it, because everybody shares the same web server and database process. This is what makes it possible to efficiently host hundreds of sites, but at the same time, you're vulnerable to any one site eating all the resources.

i actually thought my dvda thread crashed the service... i guess we'll never know

are the people who paid going to get access to the secret lifetime members forum!?

  On 7/25/2009 at 9:03 PM, MAXIMUS MISCHIEF said:

are the people who paid going to get access to the secret lifetime members forum!?

You mean Valhalla?

Just donated $15, long live WATMM!

  On 7/25/2009 at 8:12 PM, chaosmachine said:

  On 7/25/2009 at 8:08 PM, yek said:

what happened to the google links at the bottom of the page? bring those back, if only for the fact they were random and fun

 

The market for those died in the recession last year. Site advertising is a very bad market right now, it's hard to find good sponsors.

Fuck, what the fuck

I only have $12 in my bank account right now and have to worry about how I'm going to make my $900 rent for next month. FUCK, I will help when things look smooth for me financially

I'm expecting some epeen boost after giving you my money! watmm-cialis.

donated. the super hidden rephlex/warp subforum is a good incentive, thanks guys!

i request that my donation be put in the secret watmm milk money fund and then be used for drugs