squarepusher I want to make drill and bass like Squarepusher...

it's not like he made every track from start to finish on that yamaha sampler...

  On 10/10/2009 at 12:38 AM, Retape said:

it's not like he made every track from start to finish on that yamaha sampler...

nope but you obviously didn't see the modulations documentary

  On 10/10/2009 at 12:39 AM, chimera slot mom said:

  On 10/10/2009 at 12:38 AM, Retape said:

it's not like he made every track from start to finish on that yamaha sampler...

 

nope but you obviously didn't see the modulations documentary

I saw the bit that's on youtube. "he made up lots of sounds" with it. his setup was quite limited to what people have nowadays, but it was still more than just that keyboard.

EDIT: is he more in that documentary besides the part that's on youtube? in that case I wanna see the whole thing.

  On 10/10/2009 at 12:41 AM, Retape said:

  On 10/10/2009 at 12:39 AM, chimera slot mom said:

  On 10/10/2009 at 12:38 AM, Retape said:

it's not like he made every track from start to finish on that yamaha sampler...

 

nope but you obviously didn't see the modulations documentary

 

I saw the bit that's on youtube. "he made up lots of sounds" with it. his setup was quite limited to what people have nowadays, but it was still more than just that keyboard.

 

EDIT: is he more in that documentary besides the part that's on youtube? in that case I wanna see the whole thing.

back when youtube was new, they used to have the whole video, i haven't seen it since then, i would def. say there's more footage to it. it's kinda difficult to get a hold of though, i had zero luck asking several search agents.

i think what you didn't see was when he played live with his bass guitar and pressed the yamaha to play sample groups he'd recorded earlier. purely insane shit.

Hopefully we might find the full movie online, really want to check that stuff.

http://www.amazon.com/Modulations-Cinema-Ear-Danny-Tenaglia/dp/B0000844LI

Might as well just buy it, hopefully SQ interview is longer than that clips seems to suggest.

boh

  On 10/10/2009 at 12:41 AM, Retape said:

EDIT: is he more in that documentary besides the part that's on youtube?

no, just that bit. actually, modulations suck ass. fucking messy. they could've done something much better with better questions, considering the amount of artists they "interviewed" (i bet they didn't even had a fucking script, and where are the questions!), and in what time...

so little info...

  On 10/10/2009 at 4:59 AM, qnio said:

  On 10/10/2009 at 12:41 AM, Retape said:

EDIT: is he more in that documentary besides the part that's on youtube?

no, just that bit. actually, modulations suck ass. fucking messy. they could've done something much better with better questions, considering the amount of artists they "interviewed" (i bet they didn't even had a fucking script, and where are the questions!), and in what time...

 

so little info...

well i agree, the documentary sucked ass. what was funny was how photek and all the other dudes showed off their studio equipment and boasted about how loud they could listen to their mixes on headphones, while tom was making bacon and eggs in his apartment and holding his yamaha sampler keyboard in his bed. the live segment showed that he could play that sampler like it was sequenced outta fucking druqks.

  On 10/10/2009 at 5:14 AM, chimera slot mom said:

  On 10/10/2009 at 4:59 AM, qnio said:

  On 10/10/2009 at 12:41 AM, Retape said:

EDIT: is he more in that documentary besides the part that's on youtube?

no, just that bit. actually, modulations suck ass. fucking messy. they could've done something much better with better questions, considering the amount of artists they "interviewed" (i bet they didn't even had a fucking script, and where are the questions!), and in what time...

 

so little info...

 

well i agree, the documentary sucked ass. what was funny was how photek and all the other dudes showed off their studio equipment and boasted about how loud they could listen to their mixes on headphones, while tom was making bacon and eggs in his apartment and holding his yamaha sampler keyboard in his bed. the live segment showed that he could play that sampler like it was sequenced outta fucking druqks.

lol exactly

  On 10/9/2009 at 5:20 AM, kaini said:

  On 10/1/2009 at 10:42 PM, shibboleth said:

limitations of equipment does affect your output and fruityloops is like a ball and chain in terms of flexibility. avoid

 

are you aware of how basic a setup tom used up until go plastic?

[hilarious image macro from 4chan]

apparently you are not.

misinterpreting posts for Teh Great Fail. lol!

If there is one thing that FL is not, it is minimal. My point was that it is an overly specific tool that doesn't encourage freedom of approach.

It's impressive when people use simple tools in complex ways. But they can do that because the simplicity enables freedom.

A good DAW is one that allows freedom of approach in spite of the prepackaged setup. FL is not a good DAW. To put my money where my mouth is, I used this for years, made many tracks on it and I can definitely say I came to understand its limitations. Conversely some of the most dynamic stuff I made entirely using fucking cool edit pro

  On 10/10/2009 at 2:33 AM, kaini said:

http://humphreyplugg.kaen.org/howisbabbyformed.mp3

 

boh

what on earth is this, it is dreadful

  On 10/6/2009 at 3:47 AM, The Face Culler said:

Wisp, for one.

could you point out which releases/tracks?

  On 10/10/2009 at 12:19 PM, shibboleth said:

My point was that it is an overly specific tool that doesn't encourage freedom of approach.

Meant to say 'overly specific set of tools' aka rigid toolchain

  On 10/10/2009 at 12:19 PM, shibboleth said:

 

To put my money where my mouth is, I used this for years, made many tracks on it and I can definitely say I came to understand its limitations. Conversely some of the most dynamic stuff I made entirely using fucking cool edit pro

 

To put your money where your mouth is would be to link us to music that you have made with FL, and music you've made with Cool edit pro, or whatever other DAW it is that you are currently using. Not just talk about it. Talk is for chumps.

oh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I23E7jStDW0

SNAP.

I'm learning FL now from reason (just started last night) and even already I can say that the naysayers are 1/2 retarded. Powerful as hell it is. I finally get to use vst's!

  On 10/10/2009 at 12:19 PM, shibboleth said:

  On 10/10/2009 at 2:33 AM, kaini said:

http://humphreyplugg.kaen.org/howisbabbyformed.mp3

 

boh

 

what on earth is this, it is dreadful

FL (as the latest editions) is a very powerful tool. Wisp's breaks editing level is pretty good and he uses it. Im sure someone else can give you more examples.

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limitations of equipment does affect your output and fruityloops is like a ball and chain in terms of flexibility. avoid

While I disagree on "fruityloops is like a ball and chain in terms of flexibility", I agree that if you are trying to get near a goplastic's level, you're pretty much fucked from the start. Consider that, besides the talent, he used the most powerful FX unit in the world. I've tried an Orville myself, had it for a couple of months, and I can ensure you that those things can do stuff that puts you a league ahead.

And yeah, your output's sound quality (besides the quality of the synths and effects) depends more than 50% on what conditions you are producing under. Monitors, acoustic treatment, and so on.

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even go plastic was pretty basic. I mean, he had some nice new effects, but it wasn't much different to his previous setups.

I see this always gets mentioned. I always had the sensation that Squarepusher deliverately exaggerated his claims on this subject. And if you call an Orville "nice new effect, pretty basic", then you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Just by adding this box on your setup you can't call it basic anymore, its self-refuting. The possibilities are ridiculous. You could easily be a year just testing out presets (it had around 1000 as far as I can remember). This is why when I hear someone pushing music on this direction with basic tools you can see if real effort was put into it, but I guess you need to be a bit of gear freak to fully appreciate this sort of stuff. This is probably one of the reasons why Rephlex signed Monolith and Steinvord, specially the latest because of the age thing, which I find kinda sweet in a way.

Im not asking you to go out now and buy expensive equipement, but have in mind that at a certain level it can make a difference you can't simply bypass. Know your tools, and experiment with them until you know everything inside out, when you feel like you are ready for more (when you are putting out impressive stuff with them), start considering a serious upgrade. The technological disadvantage can be a good thing when learning, you'll later enjoy your luxurious hardware a lot more when you get your hands on it.

  On 10/14/2009 at 2:09 AM, pissflaps said:

a good post

  On 10/10/2009 at 8:29 PM, thanks robert moses said:

To put your money where your mouth is would be to link us to music that you have made with FL, and music you've made with Cool edit pro, or whatever other DAW it is that you are currently using. Not just talk about it. Talk is for chumps.

shit is subjective you dunce, whats more i dont give a fuck. laters

this thread should have ended at post 2.

I don't know whether Wisp is still using FL studio or not, but when I saw him and Aphex at Matter in London last month, Wisp's set sounded much beefier through the sound system than Aphex's. I'm not sure if that's down to his production or what Wisp was playing his through (compressors or something?) but seriously that bass was ridiculous.

It's all the crash cymbal baby.

  On 9/28/2009 at 4:45 PM, rlz said:

  On 9/17/2009 at 5:17 PM, ZAZ said:

Ok. I understand that he uses the amen break heavily.

I just don't know where to start when it comes to drill n bass.

Where do I start? Do I need a drum machine, tracker, or just a basic sequencer?

Are there certain techniques to start with..

I've been looking around for articles and help, but I don't really see anything.

And what are DSP processes? Because I read somewhere where SP uses these.

Help me, I'm confused and don't know where to start..........

 

Since no one will be helpful:

 

To get started, you don't need a physical drum machine, but you will need some VSTi drum machines and synthesizers. Whatever sequencer you go with will probably include everything you need to get started. A tracker is just a different type of sequencer, with a different workflow and interface. The main commercial tracker is a program called Renoise. I have no experience with trackers, but some people (Aaron Funk from Venetian Snares, for example) use trackers as their primary sequencer, and love them. They're sort of an advanced topic, with (in my opinion) a high learning curve, but keep in mind that I'm a DAW guy, and tracker users will tell you the exact opposite. All you really need to get started from ground zero is a copy of FL Studio or Ableton Live (or any of the million others, but in my opinion these are the two best for total beginners). Someone was telling me that you can find these on the net if you look around.

 

Digital Signal Processing encompasses all kinds of digital audio effects, but in the context of Squarepusher it usually means stuff along the lines of what DBlue Glitch (among others) can do. Keep in mind, though, that if you just run a beat randomly through something like DBlue Glitch, you're going to get laughed at, and rightly so. And for that matter:

 

Asking us "How do I make music like squarepusher?" isn't going to make you many friends on electronica related forums. To see why, go to Planet Mu's website, click the FAQ, and click "Can you give me some advice on my music?" I can't even imagine the amount of VSnares clone demos Mike Pardinas must get in the mail. The key is to work at it and work at it and find your own original sound. Part of (a big part of) the reason Squarepusher, Aphex Twin, Boards of Canada, etc., sound so good is that they don't really sound like anything else. A much better question would be "How do I get started making electronic music?" and the answer to that question is much longer and more complicated than "Download this and this and this and voila?" and anyone who tells you otherwise is probably doing so while taking a break from making unbelievably bad Trance on his mom's Dell.

 

On the other hand, immitating Squarepusher or Aphex Twin is a good way to learn their tricks, but making good jungle/IDM/whatever isn't about knowing the pieces of the puzzle, it's about how you put them together.

 

You start by downloading Fruity Loops and messing around.

Here is a better website than WATMM for asking things like this: http://www.kvraudio.com/

Amazing..

Thanks so much.

No prob.

  On 10/10/2009 at 5:14 AM, chimera slot mom said:

  On 10/10/2009 at 4:59 AM, qnio said:

  On 10/10/2009 at 12:41 AM, Retape said:

EDIT: is he more in that documentary besides the part that's on youtube?

no, just that bit. actually, modulations suck ass. fucking messy. they could've done something much better with better questions, considering the amount of artists they "interviewed" (i bet they didn't even had a fucking script, and where are the questions!), and in what time...

 

so little info...

 

well i agree, the documentary sucked ass. what was funny was how photek and all the other dudes showed off their studio equipment and boasted about how loud they could listen to their mixes on headphones, while tom was making bacon and eggs in his apartment and holding his yamaha sampler keyboard in his bed. the live segment showed that he could play that sampler like it was sequenced outta fucking druqks.

I watched the full documentary and there was nothing else other than what's on youtube, was there a second CD or something? Definitely no live segments.