ceephax Manipulating the "Amen" Break.

  On 10/22/2009 at 11:57 AM, Gocab said:

hey wattmmm. I been making music 4 ages man, but I hav some questions. how du u do to rip off dated sound of electornicas? how make sound liek threehundredthree and the progamring of glitch synth alsow. how to make synth sond liek baords of canandar? how do u go abot making great melondies liek sqarepusher and aphwx tins? Do you know any vst that will make me songs like awtekr?

^this

ban ZAZ

  On 10/22/2009 at 12:09 PM, Gocab said:

Are you guys using renoise? if so <3

yes indeed <3

how is babby formed

  On 10/22/2009 at 12:02 PM, Adjective said:

  On 10/22/2009 at 9:52 AM, Oscar said:

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i don't agree with the title of the video but it will be helpful for you

 

We already have a beat slicer - The 09xx command.

that's true, however it doesn't suit my needs. if the offsets could be moved, then yes. but that would be a different thread. i guess my complaint is that the discussion of an alternative to 09XX always gets dismissed as a "beatslicer" when, in my case, it's more for my own samples that are not breaks.

yes. the 09xx crap is exactly whats keeping me from using renoise at all. I shouldnt have to look up an arbitrary number every time i want to cut up a sample. Whats the alternative?

you can slice that shit manually in the sample editor.

how? Theres a lot of basic editing options but i dont really see anything involved with slices or breaking down the sample

  On 10/22/2009 at 4:27 PM, mrx said:

how is babby formed

drill rush

  On 10/22/2009 at 7:28 PM, Gocab said:

you can slice that shit manually in the sample editor.

yeah thats how I used to do it when I used buzz. I would slice evenly and map them all to notes in malthide's tracker.

  On 10/22/2009 at 2:15 AM, sneaksta303 said:

 

 

 

AHHH MADEEEEE DEEEEZZZEEEE

 

you haven't read the rules yet have ya chap?

acid 3.0 chopper. any good?

  On 10/22/2009 at 5:11 PM, 42Orange said:

  On 10/22/2009 at 12:02 PM, Adjective said:

  On 10/22/2009 at 9:52 AM, Oscar said:

    Quote

i don't agree with the title of the video but it will be helpful for you

 

We already have a beat slicer - The 09xx command.

that's true, however it doesn't suit my needs. if the offsets could be moved, then yes. but that would be a different thread. i guess my complaint is that the discussion of an alternative to 09XX always gets dismissed as a "beatslicer" when, in my case, it's more for my own samples that are not breaks.

 

yes. the 09xx crap is exactly whats keeping me from using renoise at all. I shouldnt have to look up an arbitrary number every time i want to cut up a sample. Whats the alternative?

The only reason I use Renoise is for the 09xx command... It's great for fuckin' up breaks which is what most of the stuff I write is centered around. And, I never have to look up a number on breaks. Take a break and cut it so it's 1 bar in length, then all of the usable hits will be 0, 2, 4, 6, 8, A, B, C and E. I guess you just get used to it over time.

meh... the 09xx command is a pain in the butt most of the times. drum breaks are played by humans; the 09xx command treat samples as if they're 100% in sync. maybe i'm being too picky, but the best option -at least for me- is to load the sample in a wave editor and trim every hit into a separate file, and THEN load them into a tracker.

nevertheless, it'll be perfect if you could have the 09xx command with adjustable slice points. that would be GREAT, 'cause the best thing about the 09xx is the huge improvement in the workflow...

  On 10/23/2009 at 2:02 AM, qnio said:

meh... the 09xx command is a pain in the butt most of the times. drum breaks are played by humans; the 09xx command treat samples as if they're 100% in sync. maybe i'm being too picky, but the best option -at least for me- is to load the sample in a wave editor and trim every hit into a separate file, and THEN load them into a tracker.

 

nevertheless, it'll be perfect if you could have the 09xx command with adjustable slice points. that would be GREAT, 'cause the best thing about the 09xx is the huge improvement in the workflow...

Yeah I here you.

I just need to study the breaks more and how they work together.

I'm listening to a lot of Venetian Snares stuff especially.

He has some of the best sequenced breaks out of anyone I've heard.

  On 10/22/2009 at 9:04 PM, 42Orange said:

how? Theres a lot of basic editing options but i dont really see anything involved with slices or breaking down the sample

just cut/paste each bit in a new sample slot within the instrument slot and then go to the instrument editor and click generate drum kit or manually assign each sample slot to a key.

  On 10/23/2009 at 2:32 AM, mrx said:

  On 10/22/2009 at 9:04 PM, 42Orange said:

how? Theres a lot of basic editing options but i dont really see anything involved with slices or breaking down the sample

just cut/paste each bit in a new sample slot within the instrument slot and then go to the instrument editor and click generate drum kit or manually assign each sample slot to a key.

Then it will sound random and unstructured.

  On 10/23/2009 at 2:35 AM, ZAZ said:

  On 10/23/2009 at 2:32 AM, mrx said:

  On 10/22/2009 at 9:04 PM, 42Orange said:

how? Theres a lot of basic editing options but i dont really see anything involved with slices or breaking down the sample

just cut/paste each bit in a new sample slot within the instrument slot and then go to the instrument editor and click generate drum kit or manually assign each sample slot to a key.

 

Then it will sound random and unstructured.

but i guess its pretty much what im looking for... I guess im just miffed with some of the differences in trackers. Things just seem so needlessly complex sometimes. Itd be nice if i could just place markers and have all my slices laid out on the keyboard automatically, but theres vsts for that im sure.

  On 10/23/2009 at 2:02 AM, qnio said:

meh... the 09xx command is a pain in the butt most of the times. drum breaks are played by humans; the 09xx command treat samples as if they're 100% in sync. maybe i'm being too picky, but the best option -at least for me- is to load the sample in a wave editor and trim every hit into a separate file, and THEN load them into a tracker.

 

nevertheless, it'll be perfect if you could have the 09xx command with adjustable slice points. that would be GREAT, 'cause the best thing about the 09xx is the huge improvement in the workflow...

You're right, but it depends on the break. The amen break is pretty much dead set on timing. A break like Soul Pride is a lot tougher because the drumming is a bit off at times. If that's the case, I'll reconstruct the break inside of Renoise, render it and use the 09 command for more manipulation. I really hate using one shots because you lose so much of the break's original groove. It all depends on what you want out of it I guess.

And I think it would be great if they added an ability to set your own markers as another command. As long as it didn't mess with the 09 command...

  On 10/23/2009 at 4:58 AM, 42Orange said:

  On 10/23/2009 at 2:35 AM, ZAZ said:

  On 10/23/2009 at 2:32 AM, mrx said:

  On 10/22/2009 at 9:04 PM, 42Orange said:

how? Theres a lot of basic editing options but i dont really see anything involved with slices or breaking down the sample

just cut/paste each bit in a new sample slot within the instrument slot and then go to the instrument editor and click generate drum kit or manually assign each sample slot to a key.

 

Then it will sound random and unstructured.

 

but i guess its pretty much what im looking for... I guess im just miffed with some of the differences in trackers. Things just seem so needlessly complex sometimes. Itd be nice if i could just place markers and have all my slices laid out on the keyboard automatically, but theres vsts for that im sure.

You can lay out slices over the keyboard in Renoise. Just use the Generate Drum Kit option.

http://tutorials.renoise.com/Renoise/UsingSamples

  On 10/23/2009 at 2:14 AM, ZAZ said:

I'm listening to a lot of Venetian Snares stuff especially.

He has some of the best sequenced breaks out of anyone I've heard.

Wait until you hear Squarepusher.

Amen is STILL good. Listen to hello everything for poop's sake. Wicked album. Lots of amen.

it's only good because it's squarepusher. would have been better with a different breakbeat.

edit: or live drums, cut up.

This thread makes LTJ Bukem cry

ok i haven't been here long but i have been making music for nearly 25yrs i make alsorts techno/chilled/ dnb/ been signed to various dnb labels too the amen break has been thrashed to death there is so many other great drum breaks out there to use this is just the iceberg all the best may the force be with u