morrissey has left the building

he is out of hospital now - http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/oct/25/morrissey-discharged-hospital-swindon

see, he needs a balanced diet - good bit of steak in him and a few burgers, and he'll be right as rain. aw that rabbit food is doing him no good at all.

  On 10/25/2009 at 3:42 PM, jefferoo said:

  On 10/25/2009 at 1:25 PM, Caretstik said:

I never had any interest in his solo stuff after Viva Hate but, fuck man, The Smiths. For that he's immortal.

r u kidding?!?!

His best IMO ->

This one might make it in my top 10.

I'm a HUGE Smiths fan, but there is something extra special about this album. It's one I can listen to over and over (on repeat) without ever getting tired of.

i think Quarrystice is pretty good too

who?

  On 10/25/2009 at 4:18 PM, ezkerraldean said:

  On 10/25/2009 at 4:02 PM, jefferoo said:

  On 10/25/2009 at 11:42 PM, triachus said:

who?

I think he means "you are the quarry"

Mozza has a bit of bother breathing....oh dear. I am one of the biggest Smith's fans you will ever meet, but regarding Morrissey in particular, I treat Moz the man from Moz the artist very differently. Sure, he is easily one of the most important and brilliant lyricists to have ever put pen to paper, but as a person, he is a total cock lord. His treatment of Rourke and especially Joyce is nothing short of scandalous; he should be totally ashamed of what he did and continues to do. I used to adore him, now I feel indifference to this middle aged prick, who has made an art out of being a prick. I felt very little when I saw the news the other day. But what goes around comes around, the great wheel is simply turning here, that's all. He has never toured more than he is doing right now (he is RAKING it in), and he has never produced such awful music as he is creating right now either. Moz has been on the gravy train for quite some time, since 'You Are The Quarry' to be exact and his best days are behind him. He reached his creative peak in the shape of his finest solo album, the magnificent (and unequalled in terms of his solo career) 'Vauxhall And I' which is a truly astonishing back to front piece of art. But over time the real Moz emerged. The thing which really got to me was that stupid song on 'Maladjusted', the one he wrote specifically about Joyce after the court case, called 'Sorrow Will Come In The End', which incidently was conspicuous by it's absence from the UK release. The song is a childish ragey outburst of a man who doesn't want to pay up to what he should have done years ago and still prevaricates over to this day. He even moved bank accounts abroad to try and wriggle out of what he owes, at least Marr had the integrity to cough up when he knew the game was up.

To conclude:

Songwriting ability? - Genius

Morals and ethics? - Bankrupt

Let's hope he makes it through all those remaining 'tedious' shows :angry:

I have 2 tickets to see him nov.30th in portland, who wants to come?

  On 10/26/2009 at 12:29 AM, badgermeat said:

Mozza has a bit of bother breathing....oh dear. I am one of the biggest Smith's

read the rules

'ringleader of the tormentors' is a great album. i think i like better than 'viva hate' actually.

wait, what has morrisey done to make him morally bankrupt/

im not arguing, i genuinely dont know.

always loved the smiths, never got into his solo career.

  On 10/26/2009 at 4:48 AM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

wait, what has morrisey done to make him morally bankrupt/

 

im not arguing, i genuinely dont know.

 

 

always loved the smiths, never got into his solo career.

He must listen to 'Paint a Vular Picture' and cry, tho thats more integrity than morality.

  On 10/26/2009 at 3:31 AM, kaini said:

  On 10/26/2009 at 12:29 AM, badgermeat said:

Mozza has a bit of bother breathing....oh dear. I am one of the biggest Smith's

 

read the rules

lol. thing is kaini - this one's for real... the mad irish badger is a mentalist smithsonian, even got me listening to their work after years of enforced ignorance.

morrisey live kinda ruins smiths songs by huffing his way through them.

get well soon steve

  On 10/26/2009 at 8:10 AM, ~ism said:

  On 10/26/2009 at 3:31 AM, kaini said:

  On 10/26/2009 at 12:29 AM, badgermeat said:

Mozza has a bit of bother breathing....oh dear. I am one of the biggest Smith's

 

read the rules

 

I think you'll find I'm being a little tongue in cheek....Ism is right, I am one of the biggest fans of his music, I am simply tired of Moz being lauded all the time when he has clearly turned his back on whatever principles and morals he might have once had. Listen to the B side of 'Piccadilly Palare', it's quite revealing actually and it's time he took his own advice, to 'Get Off The Stage'.

  On 10/26/2009 at 4:48 AM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

wait, what has morrisey done to make him morally bankrupt/

 

im not arguing, i genuinely dont know.

 

 

always loved the smiths, never got into his solo career.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/209224.

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/1998/1711.html

  On 10/27/2009 at 7:32 PM, badgermeat said:

  On 10/26/2009 at 4:48 AM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

wait, what has morrisey done to make him morally bankrupt/

 

im not arguing, i genuinely dont know.

 

 

always loved the smiths, never got into his solo career.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/209224.

 

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/1998/1711.html

I glossed over the second link (the first is a 404 deadend), and the gist of what I read is Joyce wants to rewrite history based on prior British Law, despite the fact he agreed to a 10% stake in the band's earnings, and after some thought (and especially since they became wildly popular), he attempted to renegotiate his contract, which Marr and Morrissey rejected, as was their right since they were the majority stakeholders in the band. Am I missing anything that points towards Morrissey being "morally bankrupt" there?

Wikipedia has a non-legal explanation of the incident:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Smiths#Court_case

  On 10/27/2009 at 7:29 PM, badgermeat said:

  On 10/26/2009 at 8:10 AM, ~ism said:

  On 10/26/2009 at 3:31 AM, kaini said:

  On 10/26/2009 at 12:29 AM, badgermeat said:

Mozza has a bit of bother breathing....oh dear. I am one of the biggest Smith's

 

read the rules

 

I think you'll find I'm being a little tongue in cheek....Ism is right, I am one of the biggest fans of his music, I am simply tired of Moz being lauded all the time when he has clearly turned his back on whatever principles and morals he might have once had. Listen to the B side of 'Piccadilly Palare', it's quite revealing actually and it's time he took his own advice, to 'Get Off The Stage'.

 

 

i was only correcting your misplace'd apostrophe

  On 10/27/2009 at 7:48 PM, Joyrex said:

  On 10/27/2009 at 7:32 PM, badgermeat said:

  On 10/26/2009 at 4:48 AM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

wait, what has morrisey done to make him morally bankrupt/

 

im not arguing, i genuinely dont know.

 

 

always loved the smiths, never got into his solo career.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/209224.

 

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/1998/1711.html

 

 

 

I glossed over the second link (the first is a 404 deadend), and the gist of what I read is Joyce wants to rewrite history based on prior British Law, despite the fact he agreed to a 10% stake in the band's earnings, and after some thought (and especially since they became wildly popular), he attempted to renegotiate his contract, which Marr and Morrissey rejected, as was their right since they were the majority stakeholders in the band. Am I missing anything that points towards Morrissey being "morally bankrupt" there?

 

Wikipedia has a non-legal explanation of the incident:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Smiths#Court_case

It's quite clear that you are an elitist/capitalist...maybe someone else should do your 'job' for awhile?

  On 10/27/2009 at 7:59 PM, badgermeat said:

  On 10/27/2009 at 7:48 PM, Joyrex said:

  On 10/27/2009 at 7:32 PM, badgermeat said:

  On 10/26/2009 at 4:48 AM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

wait, what has morrisey done to make him morally bankrupt/

 

im not arguing, i genuinely dont know.

 

 

always loved the smiths, never got into his solo career.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/209224.

 

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/1998/1711.html

 

 

 

I glossed over the second link (the first is a 404 deadend), and the gist of what I read is Joyce wants to rewrite history based on prior British Law, despite the fact he agreed to a 10% stake in the band's earnings, and after some thought (and especially since they became wildly popular), he attempted to renegotiate his contract, which Marr and Morrissey rejected, as was their right since they were the majority stakeholders in the band. Am I missing anything that points towards Morrissey being "morally bankrupt" there?

 

Wikipedia has a non-legal explanation of the incident:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Smiths#Court_case

 

It's quite clear that you are an elitist/capitalist...maybe someone else should do your 'job' for awhile?

Y'know what - you don't come into someone's front room and shit on the floor - I gave my opinion on what I read, and I don't see how Joyce would have or should have been entitled to anything more than what he agreed to - now, the court did rule in his favour on the aspect of him losing out since he was not credited as a songwriter (and I agree with that, since he DID have a hand in creating the work from which the others benefited), and it could be inferred that Morr/Marr did this purposely to garner more for themselves. But, selling unreleased tracks on Ebay is shitty, since at that point, it IS all about the money for him, which is far more capitalist than you're making me out to be.

Joyce agreeing to the arrangement was his first mistake, and obviously not having good business sense in ensuring he got properly compensated was his second. He's a victim of his own circumstances, really.

  On 10/27/2009 at 7:50 PM, kaini said:

  On 10/27/2009 at 7:29 PM, badgermeat said:

  On 10/26/2009 at 8:10 AM, ~ism said:

  On 10/26/2009 at 3:31 AM, kaini said:

  On 10/26/2009 at 12:29 AM, badgermeat said:

Mozza has a bit of bother breathing....oh dear. I am one of the biggest Smith's

 

read the rules

 

I think you'll find I'm being a little tongue in cheek....Ism is right, I am one of the biggest fans of his music, I am simply tired of Moz being lauded all the time when he has clearly turned his back on whatever principles and morals he might have once had. Listen to the B side of 'Piccadilly Palare', it's quite revealing actually and it's time he took his own advice, to 'Get Off The Stage'.

 

 

i was only correcting your misplace'd apostrophe

 

lol that's ok, I'm an anarchist

lol @ smiths rants.

let's all go have a bash up in the boc subforum lulz.

anarchism is the new socialism - capitalism is the new capitalism.

its all about teh ism - i keep telling everyone that.

  On 10/27/2009 at 8:14 PM, Joyrex said:

  On 10/27/2009 at 7:59 PM, badgermeat said:

  On 10/27/2009 at 7:48 PM, Joyrex said:

  On 10/27/2009 at 7:32 PM, badgermeat said:

  On 10/26/2009 at 4:48 AM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

wait, what has morrisey done to make him morally bankrupt/

 

im not arguing, i genuinely dont know.

 

 

always loved the smiths, never got into his solo career.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/209224.

 

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/1998/1711.html

 

 

 

I glossed over the second link (the first is a 404 deadend), and the gist of what I read is Joyce wants to rewrite history based on prior British Law, despite the fact he agreed to a 10% stake in the band's earnings, and after some thought (and especially since they became wildly popular), he attempted to renegotiate his contract, which Marr and Morrissey rejected, as was their right since they were the majority stakeholders in the band. Am I missing anything that points towards Morrissey being "morally bankrupt" there?

 

Wikipedia has a non-legal explanation of the incident:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Smiths#Court_case

 

It's quite clear that you are an elitist/capitalist...maybe someone else should do your 'job' for awhile?

 

Y'know what - you don't come into someone's front room and shit on the floor - I gave my opinion on what I read, and I don't see how Joyce would have or should have been entitled to anything more than what he agreed to - now, the court did rule in his favour on the aspect of him losing out since he was not credited as a songwriter (and I agree with that, since he DID have a hand in creating the work from which the others benefited), and it could be inferred that Morr/Marr did this purposely to garner more for themselves. But, selling unreleased tracks on Ebay is shitty, since at that point, it IS all about the money for him, which is far more capitalist than you're making me out to be.

 

Joyce agreeing to the arrangement was his first mistake, and obviously not having good business sense in ensuring he got properly compensated was his second. He's a victim of his own circumstances, really.

You're funny Joyrex. I know this is your pet project, but that doesn't make you God. You are a capitalist, because your whole answer contains nothing but technical / financial references. Joyce was only a child (20 in 1983) when he started out, a punk drummer who would hardly be an expert on binding agreements and accounting. Moz and Marr both colluded and took advantage of their 'hired help'. As any serious fan of music knows, it's about the group dynamic that defines a band's sound and how they are seen by their fans, and obviously the songs themselves. It should never be about the cash, as soon as you start messing about trying to garner extra for your 'greater duties', you sow the seeds of future legal battles. The Smiths will always be a four piece to my mind and memory, they are all integral to the sound even if some are less gifted intellectually or in terms of skill. They should have split the money four ways, apart from song writing, that is simply common sense. You quote the law a lot, the law is a load of ass that anyone with a smart laywer can wriggle round to their way of thinking. As for selling stuff on Ebay, I guess you must be sitting pretty in your ivory tower looking down at the serfs toiling in the mud. Rourke had to sell his bass guitar, the famous one in the Glastonbury shot just to stay afloat in this capitalist sea of scum, Joyce is hardly rolling in it either. Within a short space of signing the Rough Trade 50/50 deal, Moz and Marr were able to move into a fashionable part of London. The lads got the crumbs falling from the table. Sound familiar? You must be doing very well indeed to have the time to pontificate on the minutia of a penniless drummers attempts to survive in the world.

ZOMBY DUB!

Nice photo of Moz's reaction after the verdict