Is this a Yank site?

  On 12/29/2009 at 5:51 PM, marf said:

Allan Parry started the term IDM. He was a british kid living in America. Delaware to be exact.He ran the mailing list from a University of Delaware computer server room. He was British. Not American.

Oops I spoke to soon, thanks for clearing that up. I spoke to him a few times via the IDM digest list forum thingy back in the early 90's, I thought he was in Baltimore, Maryland back then?. Now that I think about it I remember him saying he was going back to the U.K. to visit his family. Chunky, you're a little bit lost. IDM was invented by a Brit.

When I lived up north I ate grits with maple syrup

everyone here in the south thinks that's some kind of unholy abomination of food

  On 12/29/2009 at 6:30 PM, narkeworld said:

  On 12/29/2009 at 5:51 PM, marf said:

Allan Parry started the term IDM. He was a british kid living in America. Delaware to be exact.He ran the mailing list from a University of Delaware computer server room. He was British. Not American.

 

Oops I spoke to soon, thanks for clearing that up. I spoke to him a few times via the IDM digest list forum thingy back in the early 90's, I thought he was in Baltimore, Maryland back then?. Now that I think about it I remember him saying he was going back to the U.K. to visit his family. Chunky, you're a little bit lost. IDM was invented by a Brit.

I don't want to rag on you Chunky because I think you're nice but going on about how the Americans are lost because they invented the genre IDM when a Brit did it is kinda misguided. I was able to enjoy that time period as a young 20 year old and the term IDM wasn't so bad back then, it was pretty fun to use, in particular when we had to deal with all that progressive house that was coming out at the time, labels like Rephlex, Warp, FAX, New Electronica, B12, Source, Clear, etc. were a lighthouse for some people stuck in a sea of cheesy rave stuff + the "alternative nation", that MTV had built.

  On 12/29/2009 at 5:21 PM, patternoverlap said:

  On 12/29/2009 at 7:35 AM, glasse said:

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

 

IN THE BEGINNING, 1992, Warp Records releases a compilation called Artificial Intelligence, which they use to promote their line up of artists.

 

Coil's Love Secret Domain is referred to as intelligent techno 2 years before Allen Perry starts his mailing list. The term was used somewhat in Britain and Europe to my understanding.

 

Also, Americans did not have the techno background that Europeans had, and to them techno was like CC Penniston. Most were probably more into industrial, aggro, etc. and had never heard any Phuture, Drexciya, Kevin Saunderson, etc. To them Aphex Twin and Autechre was more intelligent than anything else they'd heard.

 

So don't blame us, it is just kinda how it all went down.

 

You do know that Detroit is in the United States right?

That is my point! If the same Americans getting into Aphex Twin and Autechre were familiar with this stuff from their own country they might have been less inclined to label it IDM. Most of us that got into it did so because of what.. they got Furthur Down the Spiral, liked it and checked out I Care Because You Do. Well, ICBYD was not a techno album, and has a bit more in common with industrial and perhaps trip hop. Then The Second Bad Vibel video got pretty popular, which again had some more industrial than techno influenced themes in both the music and visuals. Sure some people back then liked Moby or The Prodigy, but it wasn't until later around 97-98 when AMP Drum N Bass, and Big Beat were popular that it all came together for us (MBM being sort of linked to this and industrial helped). In the early 90s it was all very much still Nirvana and coming out of metal, then with NIN getting into industrial, and kind of warming up to techno through that via Nitzer Ebb, Front 242, FLA, Haujobb, etc. If you asked me or most anyone I know what they thought of acid before 1995, any one of us would say Psychic TV before Phuture, because we didn't know what Phuture was.

Yeah, a lot of the mentality of IDM or electronic you listen to I think came from the pic of richard sitting in that chair. Its music you sit and listen to. Electronic music was purely for dancing to back then. I can't find the pic of him sitting in a chair, but it was key in the mentality at the time. Sit back, relax to the sounds of aphex and ponder it all

  On 12/29/2009 at 7:12 PM, glasse said:

  On 12/29/2009 at 5:21 PM, patternoverlap said:

  On 12/29/2009 at 7:35 AM, glasse said:

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

 

IN THE BEGINNING, 1992, Warp Records releases a compilation called Artificial Intelligence, which they use to promote their line up of artists.

 

Coil's Love Secret Domain is referred to as intelligent techno 2 years before Allen Perry starts his mailing list. The term was used somewhat in Britain and Europe to my understanding.

 

Also, Americans did not have the techno background that Europeans had, and to them techno was like CC Penniston. Most were probably more into industrial, aggro, etc. and had never heard any Phuture, Drexciya, Kevin Saunderson, etc. To them Aphex Twin and Autechre was more intelligent than anything else they'd heard.

 

So don't blame us, it is just kinda how it all went down.

 

You do know that Detroit is in the United States right?

 

That is my point! If the same Americans getting into Aphex Twin and Autechre were familiar with this stuff from their own country they might have been less inclined to label it IDM. Most of us that got into it did so because of what.. they got Furthur Down the Spiral, liked it and checked out I Care Because You Do. Well, ICBYD was not a techno album, and has a bit more in common with industrial and perhaps trip hop. Then The Second Bad Vibel video got pretty popular, which again had some more industrial than techno influenced themes in both the music and visuals. Sure some people back then liked Moby or The Prodigy, but it wasn't until later around 97-98 when AMP Drum N Bass, and Big Beat were popular that it all came together for us (MBM being sort of linked to this and industrial helped). In the early 90s it was all very much still Nirvana and coming out of metal, then with NIN getting into industrial, and kind of warming up to techno through that via Nitzer Ebb, Front 242, FLA, Haujobb, etc. If you asked me or most anyone I know what they thought of acid before 1995, any one of us would say Psychic TV before Phuture, because we didn't know what Phuture was.

Again, a brit came up with IDm.Its people like you that keep rewriting history. Shut the fuck up. You were probably twelve in the early 90's. The people that were into electronic music enough in America to care about IDM knew all about the different genres. There was a fairly healthy dance culture back then. All because you found ouyt about aphex by going to walmart doesn't mean IDm was coined by people that went to walmart. It was all a pretty underground scene back then and people were well informed about the music

I think part of it too came from the Artificial Intelligence series WARP had out at the time as well...

you want to find out more call cue, or 611 records in philly. I thknk there used to be a place in Baltimore called melody records. That's where people did there shopping and got educated about music. Record shops were very popular in the early 90's for electronic music.

  On 12/29/2009 at 7:20 PM, marf said:

  On 12/29/2009 at 7:12 PM, glasse said:

  On 12/29/2009 at 5:21 PM, patternoverlap said:

  On 12/29/2009 at 7:35 AM, glasse said:

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

 

IN THE BEGINNING, 1992, Warp Records releases a compilation called Artificial Intelligence, which they use to promote their line up of artists.

 

Coil's Love Secret Domain is referred to as intelligent techno 2 years before Allen Perry starts his mailing list. The term was used somewhat in Britain and Europe to my understanding.

 

Also, Americans did not have the techno background that Europeans had, and to them techno was like CC Penniston. Most were probably more into industrial, aggro, etc. and had never heard any Phuture, Drexciya, Kevin Saunderson, etc. To them Aphex Twin and Autechre was more intelligent than anything else they'd heard.

 

So don't blame us, it is just kinda how it all went down.

 

You do know that Detroit is in the United States right?

 

That is my point! If the same Americans getting into Aphex Twin and Autechre were familiar with this stuff from their own country they might have been less inclined to label it IDM. Most of us that got into it did so because of what.. they got Furthur Down the Spiral, liked it and checked out I Care Because You Do. Well, ICBYD was not a techno album, and has a bit more in common with industrial and perhaps trip hop. Then The Second Bad Vibel video got pretty popular, which again had some more industrial than techno influenced themes in both the music and visuals. Sure some people back then liked Moby or The Prodigy, but it wasn't until later around 97-98 when AMP Drum N Bass, and Big Beat were popular that it all came together for us (MBM being sort of linked to this and industrial helped). In the early 90s it was all very much still Nirvana and coming out of metal, then with NIN getting into industrial, and kind of warming up to techno through that via Nitzer Ebb, Front 242, FLA, Haujobb, etc. If you asked me or most anyone I know what they thought of acid before 1995, any one of us would say Psychic TV before Phuture, because we didn't know what Phuture was.

 

Again, a brit came up with IDm.Its people like you that keep rewriting history. Shut the fuck up. You were probably twelve in the early 90's. The people that were into electronic music enough in America to care about IDM knew all about the different genres. There was a fairly healthy dance culture back then. All because you found ouyt about aphex by going to walmart doesn't mean IDm was coined by people that went to walmart. It was all a pretty underground scene back then and people were well informed about the music

Well, you are close I was 12 in 1989. I can really only speak to my generation and our coming up. This is how it was for us. A lot of my friends had older siblings in college that were passing down their mod-alterna heritage, and I assure it was Bauhaus, The Cure and The Smiths and not Juan Atkins. No one I knew, or their older siblings, had any connection or interest that I knew about to techno, electro or acid. The most electro thing I heard was probably freestyle stuff like Lisa Lisa or Samantha Fox lol.

Also we didn't have a WalMart in my area until later, we got our music at The Wall or ordered it through Isolation Tank. :P

actually, for those who haven't been to america, the truth is that it's a giant, experimental AI mainframe that's actually in prague. all of us 'americans', are just AI subroutines that post in a quasi-sentient manner on message boards.

as far as the actual north american continent goes... well, canada is occupied by canadians, but "america" as you know it is actually a giant lemur preserve.

idm made by a dick lord from id magazine

it's not the point who made the term

america make the term real, americans brainwashed it and brought hte dodgy music of flashbulb/kid 606

in 2000 everyt fucker has dial up and then the americans brainwashed everyone to think in the terms of "idm" which is very little to do with aphex twin's career

it's good you had a nice time but idm caused some big problems for this culture over the past 10 years

now it's dying out though finally it's going to die this year. good riddance.

basically only the british side of it can bring the true path of electronic music

white americans dont understand naturally or intuitively the reality of electronic music so basically they need some help to follow the true path

basicaly we have to push the americans towards the true thinking, then they'll influence everyone else back to normal... too many irish/spanish/australians etc are falling for this idm shit over the last 10 years... all braindwashed by internet

change is comeing!!!

Whoever posted a huge bag of Monster Munch, well that's just torture!

Mmmm, grits with maple syrup

Anyone got a good recipe for these marvelous Grits?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noEEZbJYyR8&NR=1

Good job we have the internet, biggest source of info en el mundo

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I have to agree that all American "idm" has been awful to me, others really like some of it though, but in the end only a handful of brits make decent electronic music too. Its always just aphex, tom and maybe autechre on a good day making the really good stuff

  On 12/29/2009 at 7:30 PM, marf said:

you want to find out more call cue, or 611 records in philly. I thknk there used to be a place in Baltimore called melody records. That's where people did there shopping and got educated about music. Record shops were very popular in the early 90's for electronic music.

It's all about Aka Music and Repo Records , son ! ( the best records stores in Philly ) I buy 90% of my music from those 2 places .

I bought Hard Normal Daddy at Aka last friday ( I know...I'm late...I've been meaning to get for YEARS ) And I will be buying Tim Exile's Listening Tree at Repo this Thursday .

Is repo that place in a large basement? I remember another place across from 611. They were more for just regular records. Pawn shop style fat guy running the place. Not a DJ record shops

  On 12/30/2009 at 1:32 AM, placidburp said:

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monster muncg > idm

america is the place for classic house and techno...we've somewhat stagnated since then, at least in the eyes of dance clubs.

  On 12/30/2009 at 2:35 AM, marf said:

Is repo that place in a large basement? I remember another place across from 611. They were more for just regular records. Pawn shop style fat guy running the place. Not a DJ record shops

Aka Music is the one with the large basement . I Never been down there...I've seen pictures . I forget the name of the store run by the fat guy . That place sells records,CD's , toys, comics etc ( I think that's the place you're talking about )

And sadly...611 Records is no more ( they moved )

AJW - Keepin it Real on the forums.

exactly. they are pure 100% idm!! shitty music

aphex twin nothing to do with these idm chumps

these idm = completely different tradition spread by americans

explore electronics is true path

  On 12/30/2009 at 1:17 PM, chunky said:

exactly. they are pure 100% idm!! shitty music

aphex twin nothing to do with these idm chumps

these idm = completely different tradition spread by americans

 

explore electronics is true path

wake up sheeple

baaaaa

  On 12/30/2009 at 12:57 PM, xxx said:

....

Ricardo - Chile

Villalobos

 

Seems to me that the very concept of IDM is different in the US than in Europe as well.

villalobos makes more intelligent and more danceable music than your average proper 'idm' person so you mayaswell call it 'idm' .

idm idm idm. idm.