Flying Lotus - Cosmogramma

  On 4/20/2010 at 9:28 PM, Deepex said:

Dude is still getting high, the real shit will be here soon! I'm also waiting for the CD, but this is a live set presented by the artist officially before the official CD release, and I'm ok listening to something like that! Plus fucking Ras G, Daedelus, Gaslamp Killer +

True.

The line up is win and stream has been disconnected , so I guess I wont be hearing shit after all lol

  On 4/20/2010 at 8:50 PM, Awepittance said:

  On 4/20/2010 at 5:50 PM, Lube Saibot said:

  On 4/20/2010 at 9:36 AM, Awepittance said:

there are still some pretty heavy conventional (side chaining up the ass, wonky arpegios but at a minimum) trappings

 

GAAH. I don't mean to act all riled up and with my panties in a knot, but GAAAAAAH dude. GAAAH. Side chaining may have become this ubiquitous thing in electronic music nowadays but to nitpick on that at this point is like saying "Myeah, pshhh, EQing is so conventional." Some use it sparingly, some obviously, but since it's become facile and available to the non-outboard users it's joined the "basic" arsenal of all producers, alongside standard compression and EQ and stereo imaging and shaping and time-based processing. In this instance, you may call "basic" "conventional", i call it "fundamental".

 

Wonky arpeggios? Really? I mean come on man... Come on. From what I've ascertained from posts of yours I'm starting to think of you as quite grumpy. Not BoxingDay-grumpy, but quite the cynical and jaded grump. I don't think "wonky arpeggios" (whatever those fucking are, i just hear neo-prog and funk and jazz and soul noodling, which i believe has its place

in history beyond the qualification of "trappings") have become as ubiquitous or facile or cloned as hoovers and 303s and rave piano and other former cliches that indeed could be put down as "trappings" (although, again, it takes a degree of cynicism).

 

have you heard a lot of wonky? there are paint by numbers formulas now in this genre just like there was when drum and bass took shape or when dubstep was around for a few years. Sorry that you perceive me this out as being grumpy. as far as the genre is concerned Flying Lotus to me is definitely the most creative one that i've heard (but just like some of the great drum and bass artists around 1994-5 used a little too much amen break in retrospect)

i point out side chaining because it's not simply used in the same way as someone Eqing something. Sidechain compression in music like Flying Lotus is used as a non transparent effect, something to drive the same for an extreme 'pumping and breathing' sensation. Using side chaining this way is NOT ubiquitous in electronic music, but it is in modern hip hop. Is that what you meant? I mean side chaining in general is used in probably most loud music, its a helpful technique to move competing bass tones out of the way. But im not referring to the general old studio engineers use of a sidechain compressor, im referring to when it's causing a layer to be ducked so hard its become it's own rhythm.

For me it's the equivalent of running your entire mixdown through a heavy flanger and then having someone argue ' that's fundamental, just like EQ' I can guarantee you that in 10 years time, this sound will be looked back on as kind of passe because so many people were doing it at the same time.

If you don't believe me that's your opinion, but please don't try to deduce my criticisms to some sort of 'haterdom'. I went to an audio school so i focus on the way people mix stuff, probably too much. simple as that

This isn't at all an endeavor to flame you or fanboi-defend FlyLo (as I've said, I haven't even listened to Cosmogramma yet). I don't think you're some bitter hater, actually before i knew you as Awepittance i knew you as Fluorescent Grey and you're an awesome dude and you know your shit and by no means do i intend to dis-affirm that. I just think, post history in mind, that you seem, through this over-awareness of future fallibility of everything, to be setting yourself up to not be in love (i.e. exuberantly deluded in favor of something) with music anymore, and that's a shame.

/cheese

I didn't go to an audio school (there aren't any in my country at the mo and studying abroad has only just become an option), but i taught myself and hung around recording studios, so i also focus on production quite a bit; it that was not apparent from post i want to rectify that. Anyways, i obsess over this shit, and have this scholarly (nerdy?) appreciation for sound and production that many times it takes me a second listen to attentively take in the musical stuff in most music. In this respect, i wasn't "gaaahh"-ing at you nitpicking, but at you nitpicking what i consider trivial or splitting-hairs stuff.

Granted, you did say "heavy non-transparent sidechaining". This is less of a staple but you kind of provide my counter-argument for me. "10 years from now..." 10 years is a long time dude, and it's already been around (heavily at least) since Benny dropped "Satisfaction" and Daft Punk exploded and i can't say I'm bored yet. It CAN get boring the way Lone does it, for example, but that is just one example. The flanger point is sound though. I kind of cringe at all the flanged shit in 80's music, back then it must've been the fucking bomb.

You gotta admit the "wonky arpeggios" stuff is kind of bullshit though.

  On 4/20/2010 at 8:57 PM, Glass Plate said:

Warp Records is not a main stay of wonky, Fly Lo did not invent anything.

I still have not heard this album.

you are my favorite troll on this board. besides ludd.

God i fucking hate Ludd. *cuts self*

check check check

lol now its dead air. wtf are these guys doing?

wat happend? streaming silence

  On 4/20/2010 at 9:53 PM, Bob Dobalina said:

wat happend? streaming silence

is this silence side chained?

thank goodness, it's back

sounds like some Aphex...never mind lol

its up again and better quality....a couple great tracks already

Melt remix? Good Jesus

Listened to about 30 minutes before my connection timed out at work, couldn't stream after that. Alright set, very meh quality but whatevs.

these kids are way too stoned to be broadcasting apparently haha

  On 4/20/2010 at 4:24 AM, jules said:

  On 4/20/2010 at 3:59 AM, Miblo said:

  On 4/19/2010 at 12:54 AM, jules said:

i was hoping the print with the preorder was the album cover.

But we're getting the album cover art by default. Why have a print of it as well?

 

 

because it would be nice to have a larger print of it. it is nice in its simplicity and i could see it hanging in my office. not so much with that other doodle. not that it's bad or anything. and really, i dont care, as long as the disc sounds good because that what i'm really paying for.

These babies might interest you, jules.

  On 4/20/2010 at 5:02 PM, Enter a new display name said:

I think we got your point, Blanket Fort Collapse.

lol, my point wasn't solely to repetitively state my annoyance with the way this record sounds but to start a conversation on production, disappointing victims of the loudness war, the how and why this record sounds so unprofessionally mastered. kinda like what we have started to see since I have been persistently crying with unbridled sadness for said victim cosmogramma

that brainfeeder radio was sick.

anyone have a recording of it ?

I should be getting a recording of it soon, so I'll let you know

  On 4/18/2010 at 2:42 AM, Hautlle said:

Ya... IDK about ganjasufi so I can't compare. As far as no compression, I know that there was no compression used on the new Monolake album Silence http://www.carosnatch.com/2010/02/monolake-interview-producing-an-album-with-no-compression/

thanks for the link, through it I found a really really good interview with Rashad Becker the guy monolake does his mastering through about the subtle art of mastering and I little but mixing before mastering as well, its a really good read(long but goood)((I was reading it while at this girls house and got almost all the way through it while she was annoyingly waiting for me to give her attention, the read was definitely worth hearing her sigh in boredom)) went and found it to finish the last 1/3 of the interview

http://www.monolake.de/interviews/mastering.html

let me know if you get a copy of that set, there were some very cool tracks played, like the one on the video below. ras g's set was pretty intense and the boc - olson mashup was funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a9ECXRWi-8

did Dr Strangeloop do a set? i think that dude is ridiculously underrted, his debut EP was absolutely amazing. Ras G's stuff is good albeit a little wanky glitch massacre

I think Ras G's true sound is what he was doing from when he started out to 2008, ever since 2009 he's been trying to change it to more of a glitchy sound and it just doesn't fit him. But ah well it's good anyway

so any word on Strangeloop? or am i the only one who thinks hes awesome

i managed to listen up to the end of ras g... if anyone gets a recording a pm my way would be much appreciated...

  On 4/21/2010 at 10:00 AM, Awepittance said:

so any word on Strangeloop? or am i the only one who thinks hes awesome

Finally gave a listen to it, very good stuff, I'm surprised he hasn't been hyped.

I got his "epoch" or whatever long name it was album about a year ago (?), still haven't listened yet. I hear he's good

  On 4/21/2010 at 10:00 AM, Awepittance said:

so any word on Strangeloop? or am i the only one who thinks hes awesome

I downloaded his EP last night based on your rave comments, we'll see when I get around to it.

  On 4/21/2010 at 7:33 AM, Awepittance said:

did Dr Strangeloop do a set? i think that dude is ridiculously underrted, his debut EP was absolutely amazing. Ras G's stuff is good albeit a little wanky glitch massacre

BRAINFEEDER artists participating include:

The Gaslamp Killer

Ras G

Samiyam

Daedelus

Jeremiah Jae

Tokimonsta

Teebs

Strangeloop

Matthewdavid