Inception - Chris Nolan + Leo DiCaprio = best movie of the summer?

  On 7/23/2010 at 12:38 AM, Atop said:

fuck you guys I am out of here!

come on man Vangelis - Dimitri's Bar!!!

ok, can we stop defending the dream environments by repeating the point that they're not supposed to be wacky and surreal and have trippy visuals? the fact is the dream worlds are nothing like dreams in any way, whether crafted by "architects" or not there is no sense of the uncanniness or mysteriousness of the experience of dreaming. the dreamers maintain full possession of their egos just like in waking life which is exactly what dreaming is not. when we are dreaming we are, you know, fucking unconscious. dreams aren't just cool worlds where memories and superficially repressed desires hang around and shit. and there is no indication as to how it is that people train* themselves to just be their normal every day selves in these dream worlds. furthermore, there are attempts made to display the huge distinctions between being awake and dreaming and these largely fall flat and just look cheesy as hell (oh wow man, stuff is exploding over and over, sometimes even in slow motion!! no way, two mirrors facing eachother creates a fucking hall of mirrors! holy shit that's fucking awesome!

i think the comparison to gondry is completely illegitimate, eternal sunshine resembles inception in no meaningful sense, thematically or stylistically. i think mentioning lynch was right on as he is capable of conveying an intense, very realistic dream-like essence in his films often without trippy visuals; even the way that fucker lights his films is creepy and dream-like. so nolan with his 800 billion dollar budget can muster up nothing more than some predictable and unimaginative special effects and otherwise just let the movie fall into contrived action scenes and insufferable editing between dream and waking worlds: wow man, the further into the dream worlds you get the longer the experience of the sense of time passing so like let's cut from one dream world where we're really deep down to another dream world higher up and like the latter will be all in slow mo and shit.

really, this movie is not very good. it's a fun summer blockbuster but let's put away our penises shall we?

*edit: fuck that, juno is in full possession of her ego on her first fucking trip!

  On 7/22/2010 at 10:56 PM, Atop said:

It isn't karma and your beloved Avatar pales in comparison.....

 

sure the effects were pretty in Avatar but story wise, it holds no candle...

 

I think you need to see it again...

hate to stay it but a couple of people in here are almost negating their entire criticisms by heaping praise on Prestige and Avatar. They were good enjoyable movies, but severely flawed in many areas. Somehow you can forgive an abominable performance of Scarlett Johanson in Prestige yet continually bash Ellen Page. Sure im not a fan of either of them but come on

It's like me going into a movie thread to beat it up and ending my argument with 'and this will never hold a candle to Lady in the water'........ok its not that bad, but its close

  On 7/23/2010 at 12:54 AM, Alcofribas said:

there are attempts made to display the huge distinctions between being awake and dreaming and these largely fall flat and just look cheesy as hell (oh wow man, stuff is exploding over and over, sometimes even in slow motion!! no way, two mirrors facing each other creates a fucking hall of mirrors! holy shit that's fucking awesome!

 

so nolan with his 800 billion dollar budget can muster up nothing more than some predictable and unimaginative special effects and otherwise just let the movie fall into contrived action scenes and insufferable editing between dream and waking worlds: wow man, the further into the dream worlds you get the longer the experience of the sense of time passing so like let's cut from one dream world where we're really deep down to another dream world higher up and like the latter will be all in slow mo and shit.

Call me cheesy but these are what I enjoyed about them film among many other parts....anyways, I too am sick of arguing

  On 7/23/2010 at 12:55 AM, Awepittance said:

  On 7/22/2010 at 10:56 PM, Atop said:

It isn't karma and your beloved Avatar pales in comparison.....

 

sure the effects were pretty in Avatar but story wise, it holds no candle...

 

I think you need to see it again...

hate to stay it but a couple of people in here are almost negating their entire criticisms by heaping praise on Prestige and Avatar. They were good enjoyable movies, but severely flawed in many areas. Somehow you can forgive an abominable performance of Scarlett Johanson in Prestige yet continually bash Ellen Page. Sure im not a fan of either of them but come on

It's like me going into a movie thread to beat it up and ending my argument with 'and this will never hold a candle to Lady in the water'........ok its not that bad, but its close

So are you saying my argument is negated because I was referring to karma's liking Avatar and not Inception or are you using my quote as an example of something you agree with?

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wow man, the further into the dream worlds you get the longer the experience of the sense of time passing so like let's cut from one dream world where we're really deep down to another dream world higher up and like the latter will be all in slow mo and shit.

lol

  On 7/23/2010 at 1:25 AM, Atop said:

[using my quote as an example of something you agree with?

this

Over under...

  On 7/23/2010 at 12:54 AM, Alcofribas said:

the dreamers maintain full possession of their egos just like in waking life which is exactly what dreaming is not. when we are dreaming we are, you know, fucking unconscious.

'unconscious' is an overly simplistic word. lucid dreaming has been established in clinical trials for quite some time now..

anyway, this kind of feels like trekkies arguing whether warp 11 or transporters are unpossible or not. it is a science fiction film..

  On 7/23/2010 at 3:07 AM, TwiddleBot said:

anyway, this kind of feels like trekkies arguing whether warp 11 or transporters are unpossible or not. it is a science fiction film..

nothing is unpossible at zombo com

All I want to know is why Leonardo Di Caprio is killing my teen years.

He's in production for both Akira and Ninja Scroll.

yes, best movie of the summer

  On 7/23/2010 at 3:47 AM, chenGOD said:

All I want to know is why Leonardo Di Caprio is killing my teen years.

He's in production for both Akira and Ninja Scroll.

As one of my friends pointed out, this guy is thickening up in his old age. Pretty soon he'll look like Orson Welles.

LOL, I actually don't mind Di Caprio, he's not a bad actor.

if he gets to be half as good a director as Welles, fatten up baby.

  On 7/23/2010 at 2:51 AM, TwiddleBot said:

  On 7/23/2010 at 12:54 AM, Alcofribas said:

the dreamers maintain full possession of their egos just like in waking life which is exactly what dreaming is not. when we are dreaming we are, you know, fucking unconscious.

 

'unconscious' is an overly simplistic word. lucid dreaming has been established in clinical trials for quite some time now..

even if you accept this specious argument you're still faced with the fact that if this film demonstrates "lucid dreaming" it's boring and unimaginative.

for what it's worth i find the lucid dreaming school misses the entire point of encountering the unconscious, it's like a colonialist attitude toward the unconscious. we'll just take our solid ego consciousness and take advantage of the unconscious world, after all we are reasonable people! we cannot accept the wackiness of dream logic. our logic is so much better than dreams!

Sounds like an underdeveloped superego.

I love dreaming, wish I could remember more of them, but am always glad when I do.

I've had a few dreams about WATMM, they always end with essines fertilizing me.

  On 7/23/2010 at 4:01 AM, Alcofribas said:

  On 7/23/2010 at 2:51 AM, TwiddleBot said:

  On 7/23/2010 at 12:54 AM, Alcofribas said:

the dreamers maintain full possession of their egos just like in waking life which is exactly what dreaming is not. when we are dreaming we are, you know, fucking unconscious.

 

'unconscious' is an overly simplistic word. lucid dreaming has been established in clinical trials for quite some time now..

 

even if you accept this specious argument you're still faced with the fact that if this film demonstrates "lucid dreaming" it's boring and unimaginative.

 

for what it's worth i find the lucid dreaming school misses the entire point of encountering the unconscious, it's like a colonialist attitude toward the unconscious. we'll just take our solid ego consciousness and take advantage of the unconscious world, after all we are reasonable people! we cannot accept the wackiness of dream logic. our logic is so much better than dreams!

ehhh it looks like you dont know what lucid dreaming is....

lol

i've been unimpressed with any one's definition of "lucid dreaming"

  On 7/23/2010 at 4:00 AM, chenGOD said:

LOL, I actually don't mind Di Caprio, he's not a bad actor.

if he gets to be half as good a director as Welles, fatten up baby.

This is true, that's actually kind of an unintentional compliment. Of course he'll never reach the subsonic vocal depths of Welles in his final role in the Transformers movie as a giant planet-eating robot named Unicron.

  On 7/23/2010 at 4:06 AM, Alcofribas said:

lol

 

i've been unimpressed with any one's definition of "lucid dreaming"

are you a non believer?

  On 7/23/2010 at 12:55 AM, Awepittance said:

  On 7/22/2010 at 10:56 PM, Atop said:

It isn't karma and your beloved Avatar pales in comparison.....

 

sure the effects were pretty in Avatar but story wise, it holds no candle...

 

I think you need to see it again...

 

 

hate to stay it but a couple of people in here are almost negating their entire criticisms by heaping praise on Prestige and Avatar. They were good enjoyable movies, but severely flawed in many areas. Somehow you can forgive an abominable performance of Scarlett Johanson in Prestige yet continually bash Ellen Page. Sure im not a fan of either of them but come on

 

It's like me going into a movie thread to beat it up and ending my argument with 'and this will never hold a candle to Lady in the water'........ok its not that bad, but its close

i just think expectations play a large role in overall enjoyment. people seem to think films can be comparable directly... unless each film was set out with similar motivations/goals then you can perhaps rank them, but otherwise its apple and oranges. Going into Avatar I expected a visual escapist experience, maybe not everyone can find entertainment in things that aren't intellectuality stimulating and thats fine... its entirely subjective, but with my expectations Avatar surpassed it and I thought it was a great film. I would be lying to myself if I said otherwise, cause I genuinely enjoyed the times I saw it in 3D (haven't seen it since).

With Inception I was expecting a psychological experience that would keep me entertained while also providing action that was unlike most things I have seen. What came out of it was a good experience but it lacked the atmosphere and emotion that I was expecting from such a powerful concept. I was more motivated to think about the plot in my head more abstractly then pay attention to the gun fire etc on screen. Perhaps I was overly attentive because of the structure and if thats the case then perhaps Nolan needs to rethink making things so overly complicated, when they could be simplified and therefore more emotionally powerful. Inception was a thinking mans experience that basically didn't lead to anything really interesting. Its technique to driving the audience to think there is more to this and therefore is leading to place we cannot conceive, but it ended up just being what you were basically expecting.

  On 7/23/2010 at 4:01 AM, Alcofribas said:

for what it's worth i find the lucid dreaming school misses the entire point of encountering the unconscious, it's like a colonialist attitude toward the unconscious. we'll just take our solid ego consciousness and take advantage of the unconscious world, after all we are reasonable people! we cannot accept the wackiness of dream logic. our logic is so much better than dreams!

are you talking about the movie or lucid dreaming culture in general?

A lot of my first lucid dreams when i was regularly practicing were of the 'generic' variety, where i would feel compelled to fly, fuck random people, break shit around me. IT was like my ego became super amplified to a cartoonish level.

eventually i learned to calm down when i became lucid, take a few deep dream breaths. Some of my most interesting lucid dreaming experiences were the kinds most people don't talk about. For example going into a library and reading books off of the shelf, it's pretty amazing the strange things you can learn about yourself by reading a book your unconscious brain is creating in real-time. Trying to meditate in a lucid dream is also quite strange, i can't really describe it. There was one time where i felt like i dropped into a completely black void after trying to spin around and change the dream, almost like a 5-meo-DMT trip but not quite as terrifying, i had no body, no depth, no vision (hate to use the word limbo, but it was a much more literal version of that than what was shown in inception). There are a lot of different ways you can interact with your unconscious without just asking dream characters philosophical questions (but of course that's really fun too, especially if it's a dead person you knew).

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even if you accept this specious argument you're still faced with the fact that if this film demonstrates "lucid dreaming" it's boring and unimaginative.

well that's what we've been arguing about in this whole thread, whether Nolan took the imagery far enough.

really nicely put Awepittance.

if there is ONE thing i wish i knew how to do, it's lucid dream