DMT

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  On 6/15/2010 at 1:13 AM, chaosmachine said:

  On 6/14/2010 at 3:30 PM, jules said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYv6GlcFGF0

 

hah, i was going to post that.

good shit, a friend showed me these guys not too long ago, and i surely remember this song having it's rounds. bringin' the archaic revival to electronic music, i love it!

  On 6/14/2010 at 3:30 PM, jules said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awChThLHAKQ

fixt

  On 6/14/2010 at 8:56 PM, Al5x said:

  On 6/14/2010 at 7:56 PM, sneaksta303 said:

I may try to make an extraction from mimosa root bark. We have a ton of those in the area.

Your profile says you live in St. Louis. I'm 99.9% positive the mimosa hostilis plant you're looking for only grows in South America, unless you're just thinking of mimosa trees which I don't believe contain any DMT whatsoever. but you can find certain reliable websites that sell high quality mimosa hostilis rootbark & you can get it ordered and shipped from within the US. The extraction process is very very simple compared to what it takes to synthesize LSD or MDMA & it doesn't involve any hard to get chemicals or anything like that. I actually happen to be doing this right now & I should be ordering the rootbark within the week. If anyone is interested I can let you know about my progress or post a load of helpful links on the subject.

Well that's a chap off my ass. YES I WA THINKING ABOUT THE TREES. Fuck.

  On 6/15/2010 at 12:27 AM, Babar said:

I really don't feel the wave of enthusiasm you guys are feeling. I mean there are lot of different paths that can lead you to this shitty concept called spirituality. How old are you ? You must all be in your twenties, but what will you think when you'll be 40 ? "Let's forget it, i was just a tad hippy, i was idealist, taht's all".

fair enough... but your last statement? Come on, are you you going to live you life according to how your future self might think your current self is lame? Don't worry aboot it m8.

Also the Strassman book is an interesting read. Particularly because everything is handled in a clinical setting, and Strassman is coming from a medical/psychological point of view and when the reports come back with visions of hyperdimensional beings, he needs to completely rethink his approach to arrive at any meaningful conclusions.

yeah yeah i know what you mean...

I actually had my fair share of psychedelics too and i even experimented "life changing" trips (several times the same one). It didn't really changed my life. It just dissolved the strong interest i previously had for philosophic matters. Over the past few months i've been into 2-CI, and i don't know whether it's specific to this substance or not but most of my last trips were very anxiogenic. I'm not talking about the usual moments of anxiety every tripper has to deal with at some point, i'm talking about some long lasting blues that makes you regret taking the pill. Of course you think "tomorrow i stop taking drugs and sort my life out", but the next day you don't go through your new resolutions and bing ! at 9:00 am you start hitting on a joint. That's the problem with psychedelics, the changes they provoke don't last long enough. Are short-sighted drug-induced experiences worth of being dimmed as spiritual experiences spirituality ? Indian surely use drugs, but they are just a mean to communicate with spirits and that's where really lies the spirituality. In western culture, psychedelics are more often a (baseless) goal than a mean to access higher/lower/fucked up states of mind specifically for ritual purposes. So I don't think talking about how DMT is awesome and can bring strong insights is especially spiritual. That's like when drunkard are getting on philosophic matters in a pub. Are they really doing philosophy ? I doubt so.

I just went to some very spiritual place -psychonaut.com- just to learn a little more about DMT. But first i'd like to tell a funny anecdote.

SO one day i went to this forum, looking for a place to discuss how paracetamol could interact with cannabinoids : at some point in my life, taking paracetamol prior to smoke a joint was a funny way to enhance the trip (now this phenomenon has faded out so i tend to think it was just a placebo effect although it has been proven that paracetamol is related to the brain's cannbinoid system. So I make my post "hey guys blablabla have you ever tried taking paracetamol whilst smoking a joint blablabla".

They all answered i was a crazy ass and that paracetamol was a HIGHLY dangerous substance that can mess with your liver blablabla. I was pretty surprised of such reactions but then I read the title of the following topic : HOW TO SAFELY SHOOT UP WITH COCAINE. I giggled then i left.

Now here's what i find on the subject of DMT:

(OP)

  Vlad said:

Apart from that, nothing special ever happened to me on DMT.

 

However, during the last year, I've been 'harassed' by electronic-digital, like drawn out of electric light appearing entities, beings, intelligences (especially intelligent), or whatever. They called themselves electronic jews (LOL), communicate in a sort of telepathy, and seemed bent on controlling me. Nobody to talk about it, nobody believes it.

These electric beings seem to be specialists in mind control. When I smoked DMT again after having the breath halted experience, I noticed these beings again, and how they control my mind. I can't seem to get rid of them and it goes beyond simply being psychotic/having a psychosis. They fuck with my free will and emotions and feelings. With EVERYTHING.

(The followings are from different posters)

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i would say schizophrenia is more a condition than a disease similar to depression... theres no virus theres no infection etc so i'd say its probably no real disease ...

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In my view most of Western Medicine is entirely symptomatic in its approach, not trying to take away the real cause of the disease, but only the way it manifests in the body.

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Oh, and don't go to any doctors, they don't humanize schizophrenics. They treat them as vegetables.

and finally 20 pages later

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Sad news folks,

 

i've heard Vlad recently commited suicide.

 

rest in peace, vlad .

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Rest in peace , vlad!

 

I am sorry to see how this thread went down. And anyone who experiences similar things to what Vlad experienced, I'd advice to find a good, proper shaman, before starting to consider whether it's real or not.

So yeah, spirituality guys, spirituality

lol wtf

all of a sudden vlad commits suicide

where did that even come from?

did the electric jews just torture him til he couldnt take it anymore ?

crazy druggies

i would just like to say that when i smoked nn dmt my entire house & world was texture mapped with the golden eyes that are in so many pictures of dmt users.

my scientific brain just assumes that its something to do with base-level facial recognition. but it was the 2nd most beautiful thing i have ever seen.

the first most beaustiful thing i've ever seen was when this kinda thing happened but i DIDNT smoke dmt. i was half falling asleep and i 'saw with my brain', randomly when i was 21 at uni. very bizarre, like seeing god in the second picture.

another time everything had a face on it like supermario characters (mushrooms/bullets etc). and was dancing about talking to me like the fucking energizer bunny, chittering all over the place.. the phone, the plug, the cup, the sofa, everything. then my mate shook me (he goes nuts on it) and my entire world exploded into pieces, and i melted into the leather of the couch in a really extreme way, watching the light of my existence get swallowed up in madness.

it was slightly unnerving & i havent done it since. not nice when the jam jar is even capable of killing you.

but when its beautiful its the most beautiful, most abstract form of experience i could ever imagine.

  On 6/15/2010 at 11:15 AM, lala said:

the first most beaustiful thing i've ever seen was when this kinda thing happened but i DIDNT smoke dmt. i was half falling asleep and i 'saw with my brain', randomly when i was 21 at uni. very bizarre, like seeing god in the second picture.

Damn, this happened to me too! I was sober, just dreaming, and I saw a yellow glowing entity - suddenly it sucked me into golden vortex, which felt like heaven inside my head. Great stuff!

so that's what DMT is all about. You take some, friend up with alien entities that are acid heads just like you, then when the trip is over they gatecrash into your house like hobos or electric jews. interesting.

  On 6/15/2010 at 12:12 PM, Babar said:

so that's what DMT is all about. You take some, friend up with alien entities that are acid heads just like you, then when the trip is over they gatecrash into your house like hobos or electric jews. interesting.

sounds like religion, if you know what i mean, you believe because you want to

psychedelic experiences adhere to one of the first rules of computer information systems: GIGO

  On 6/15/2010 at 9:00 AM, Babar said:

Over the past few months i've been into 2-CI, and i don't know whether it's specific to this substance or not but most of my last trips were very anxiogenic.

The thing about psychedelics is, if you want to get something out of them, you can't do them very often. Max a few times a year. (In swim's experience, for whatever that's worth, anyway). Any more frequent and it becomes something else pretty quickly. Actually pretty much anyone I know whose burned themselves out on these things has done so through frequent use

divine moments of truth

  On 6/15/2010 at 7:19 PM, TwiddleBot said:

psychedelic experiences adhere to one of the first rules of computer information systems: GIGO

i'd imagine it being more like a buffer overflow and throwing an exception as a result.

DMT happens to be one of the most personally aggravating subjects I can possibly think of precisely because of the McKenna subculture which brings its followers to willingly discard personal aesthetic liberty for some kind of 'standardized psychedelicism.' Somewhere along the line of 'enlightenment via reading The Archaic Revival' the reader overlooks the fact that McKenna is a subjective essayist who finds the inherent commercial sheeple trap of the "New Age Movement" abhorrent, and decides that every idea Mckenna writes (literal, implied, and especially aesthetic) is 'correct'.

I don't want to be snide, (and you probably have already made the distinction between ideas and products) but ImpotentWhiteCapitalist, you may be essentially falling for a subtle marketing ploy obscurely designed to make you say things like:

  On 6/15/2010 at 5:45 AM, impotentwhitecapitalist said:

good shit, a friend showed me these guys not too long ago, and i surely remember this song having it's rounds. bringin' the archaic revival to electronic music, i love it!

What is illustrated right in this quote is the unnecessary idealogical hegemonism which effectively subverts true freedom of thought within this whole faux counter-culture. If people are so 'enlightened' after reading about/experiencing DMT, why do they then quickly latch on to a materialistic media-based subculture, letting their recently 'freed' mind basically replace it's previous assumptions with new ones? (like for example, that 'Shpongle' is music that represents the 'Archaic Revival'). This practice of associating product with idealogy occurs en masse, and the meaning and power of the DMT experience (or 'freedom of thought') on a personal level is lost to what I like to think of as aesthetic quantification.

Just the other day I walked into a nearby coffee shop and overheard a conversation between to hippy twenty-somethings I know. One was pregnant and the other had recently gotten some kind of scarification tattoo on her thigh. The way they talked, it seemed like they basically equated the pregnancy with the tattoo...just aesthetic commodities. The tattooed one basically said "so...like...who gets the DMT when she is born?" to which the pregnant one replied "Oh, we both get it...like it will be a spiritual experience for the both of us." I couldn't help but find the acceptance of pseudoscience and appearance-based judgment distressingly parallel to the New Age crowd.

I know that some of these people have essentially good intentions...others, of course, just happen to like drugs and end up using the superficial nature of appearance to make them feel 'moral'...and in a sense, the fact that I refuse to join them blatantly demonstrates my reluctance to accept morality and ethics. I have to admit, when I first read about DMT trips and went on to read McKenna, I too was swept up in a feeling of unified, zealotus inspiration. But when I came in contact with more people who had read the books and had the experiences, it occurred to me that they were conformists as much as any pop-culture devotees. Truly, if one need the media orbiting McKenna to dictate all one's music, clothing, and behavior...when his writings and one's personal experiences boldly outline that ONE MUST CONSTRUCT ONE'S OWN SPIRITUALITY, one hasn't really hashed out an individualistic approach to living. And when tens of thousands of people do this simultaneously, what we are left with is another oppressive subculture.

  On 6/14/2010 at 10:08 AM, MAXIMUS MISCHIEF said:

yea its also produced from the pineal gland which is formed on like the 47th day of conception or somethin and the egyptians believed that was when the spirit entered into the body

pretty intersting stuff

^

DMT without the guilt - as i've been spouting off about since i joined this watmm - we don't need all these drugs - we just think we do because thats all we know - there just a waste of money

and a waste of our health. it takes time but we can get 'high' in a totally different way if we seek and find it - most will not though because they are to distracted and consumed

by main stream mediums - it's a wicked cycle - but the cycle can be broken. the wide gate is very wide. do not be deceived.

  On 6/16/2010 at 4:43 AM, troon said:

  On 6/14/2010 at 10:08 AM, MAXIMUS MISCHIEF said:

yea its also produced from the pineal gland which is formed on like the 47th day of conception or somethin and the egyptians believed that was when the spirit entered into the body

pretty intersting stuff

 

^

DMT without the guilt - as i've been spouting off about since i joined this watmm - we don't need all these drugs - we just think we do because thats all we know - there just a waste of money

and a waste of our health. it takes time but we can get 'high' in a totally different way if we seek and find it - most will not though because they are to distracted and consumed

by main stream mediums - it's a wicked cycle - but the cycle can be broken. the wide gate is very wide. do not be deceived.

i see what you're saying, but drugs are good

  On 6/16/2010 at 4:29 AM, Salvatorin said:

DMT happens to be one of the most personally aggravating subjects I can possibly think of precisely because of the McKenna subculture which brings its followers to willingly discard personal aesthetic liberty for some kind of 'standardized psychedelicism.' Somewhere along the line of 'enlightenment via reading The Archaic Revival' the reader overlooks the fact that McKenna is a subjective essayist who finds the inherent commercial sheeple trap of the "New Age Movement" abhorrent, and decides that every idea Mckenna writes (literal, implied, and especially aesthetic) is 'correct'.

 

I don't want to be snide, (and you probably have already made the distinction between ideas and products) but ImpotentWhiteCapitalist, you may be essentially falling for a subtle marketing ploy obscurely designed to make you say things like:

  On 6/15/2010 at 5:45 AM, impotentwhitecapitalist said:

good shit, a friend showed me these guys not too long ago, and i surely remember this song having it's rounds. bringin' the archaic revival to electronic music, i love it!

 

What is illustrated right in this quote is the unnecessary idealogical hegemonism which effectively subverts true freedom of thought within this whole faux counter-culture. If people are so 'enlightened' after reading about/experiencing DMT, why do they then quickly latch on to a materialistic media-based subculture, letting their recently 'freed' mind basically replace it's previous assumptions with new ones? (like for example, that 'Shpongle' is music that represents the 'Archaic Revival'). This practice of associating product with idealogy occurs en masse, and the meaning and power of the DMT experience (or 'freedom of thought') on a personal level is lost to what I like to think of as aesthetic quantification.

 

Just the other day I walked into a nearby coffee shop and overheard a conversation between to hippy twenty-somethings I know. One was pregnant and the other had recently gotten some kind of scarification tattoo on her thigh. The way they talked, it seemed like they basically equated the pregnancy with the tattoo...just aesthetic commodities. The tattooed one basically said "so...like...who gets the DMT when she is born?" to which the pregnant one replied "Oh, we both get it...like it will be a spiritual experience for the both of us." I couldn't help but find the acceptance of pseudoscience and appearance-based judgment distressingly parallel to the New Age crowd.

 

I know that some of these people have essentially good intentions...others, of course, just happen to like drugs and end up using the superficial nature of appearance to make them feel 'moral'...and in a sense, the fact that I refuse to join them blatantly demonstrates my reluctance to accept morality and ethics. I have to admit, when I first read about DMT trips and went on to read McKenna, I too was swept up in a feeling of unified, zealotus inspiration. But when I came in contact with more people who had read the books and had the experiences, it occurred to me that they were conformists as much as any pop-culture devotees. Truly, if one need the media orbiting McKenna to dictate all one's music, clothing, and behavior...when his writings and one's personal experiences boldly outline that ONE MUST CONSTRUCT ONE'S OWN SPIRITUALITY, one hasn't really hashed out an individualistic approach to living. And when tens of thousands of people do this simultaneously, what we are left with is another oppressive subculture.

i understand this analysis and have found many of your claims really hit close to home. believe me, i was at first reluctant to type what you have quoted, initially feeling that i'd come off as some superficial counter-culture fadster. but after thinking about it, i simply felt that a small name drop certainly wouldn't hurt the atmosphere of this thread, hoping that maybe someone might be curious to this idea proposed by terence mckenna, and just maybe, go off on an information spree, thus possibly awakening one more individual to their true power, the power of unconditional love and imagination. "ONE MUST CONSTRUCT ONE'S OWN SPIRITUALITY" - the truth.

  On 6/16/2010 at 4:43 AM, troon said:

  On 6/14/2010 at 10:08 AM, MAXIMUS MISCHIEF said:

yea its also produced from the pineal gland which is formed on like the 47th day of conception or somethin and the egyptians believed that was when the spirit entered into the body

pretty intersting stuff

 

^

DMT without the guilt - as i've been spouting off about since i joined this watmm - we don't need all these drugs - we just think we do because thats all we know - there just a waste of money

and a waste of our health. it takes time but we can get 'high' in a totally different way if we seek and find it - most will not though because they are to distracted and consumed

by main stream mediums - it's a wicked cycle - but the cycle can be broken. the wide gate is very wide. do not be deceived.

I've never thought and I do not think many other users think they "need" psychedelic drugs. I don't speak for all of them though, but I definitely just happen to enjoy them lots...and yeah you can get 'high' in different ways I suppose with meditation or something (personally I just view that as focusing your mind really hard) but I really like the way that involves putting little squares on my tongue, smoking crystal vapors, etc. I don't really understand what you're talking about or who you're talking to here :/.

  On 6/16/2010 at 4:43 AM, troon said:

  On 6/14/2010 at 10:08 AM, MAXIMUS MISCHIEF said:

yea its also produced from the pineal gland which is formed on like the 47th day of conception or somethin and the egyptians believed that was when the spirit entered into the body

pretty intersting stuff

 

^

DMT without the guilt - as i've been spouting off about since i joined this watmm - we don't need all these drugs - we just think we do because thats all we know - there just a waste of money

and a waste of our health. it takes time but we can get 'high' in a totally different way if we seek and find it - most will not though because they are to distracted and consumed

by main stream mediums - it's a wicked cycle - but the cycle can be broken. the wide gate is very wide. do not be deceived.

what are your thought's on medicinal herbs and shamanism? mother earth, GAIA, is a sentient being and lays before us the tools to better understand her, and our own inner power, where we came from, and where we are headed. through ingesting her medicinal and psychotropic plants and molecules, we can heal ourselves, others, our communities, and better adapt to the sentient environment that surrounds.

not to overlook the power of meditation and the human imagination. we have the tools of understanding ourselves, just as Gaia has hers, but who would you trust more at this point in history? basically, it's very difficult to realize and harness our true imaginative power with all the ties we have in our competitive and selfish first-world society.