"Move of ten" is out on bleep

Sorry. I didn't mean to be a bombastic prick about it.

  On 6/18/2010 at 12:21 AM, blos said:

Sorry. I didn't mean to be a bombastic prick about it.

i'm a self confessed pretentious prick a lot of the time.

i'm tired, and i could probably have worded my initial reply better so that it was clearer that i was admitting defeat. instead i end up sounding like one of those pricks who go "yeah i did college"

the snares on etchogon sound like a robotic ninja chef sharpening his knives.

  On 6/17/2010 at 9:15 PM, Awepittance said:

  On 6/17/2010 at 9:45 AM, Polymershapes said:

so one needs a system to hear the invisible kicks on move of ten... meanwhile everyone else is saying how suited it is for laptop speakers and earbuds.. something is not adding up.

 

 

if you're taking seriously anyone saying that they prefer listening to music on earbuds vs real speakers you're listening to the wrong people

I don't even like listening do the WORD "earbuds". Listen to Autechre on a stereo, or some headphones, or some In Ear Monitors. Little plastic enclosures that don't even remotely form a tight seal with your ear are not going to give you nice bass response, or good sound in general. Plus, the sound leaks out and pisses off everyone around you in most situations. They are bad for your hearing because they don't form a seal with your ear, so they don't block outside noise. In consequence, you have to blast them WAY too loud to counter the outside ambient noises.

cep puiqmx sounds like the final scene from a lost mid-nineties movie where a broken ED-209 vainly struggles to make it up an endless 'house of leaves' style spiral staircase with one and one half broken legs.

maybe some of the sounds are weirdly reminescent of eliot goldenthal's sounds in all those big mid-nineties blockbusters he scored.

  On 6/18/2010 at 1:31 AM, acroyear said:

  On 6/17/2010 at 9:15 PM, Awepittance said:

  On 6/17/2010 at 9:45 AM, Polymershapes said:

so one needs a system to hear the invisible kicks on move of ten... meanwhile everyone else is saying how suited it is for laptop speakers and earbuds.. something is not adding up.

 

 

if you're taking seriously anyone saying that they prefer listening to music on earbuds vs real speakers you're listening to the wrong people

 

I don't even like listening do the WORD "earbuds". Listen to Autechre on a stereo, or some headphones, or some In Ear Monitors. Little plastic enclosures that don't even remotely form a tight seal with your ear are not going to give you nice bass response, or good sound in general. Plus, the sound leaks out and pisses off everyone around you in most situations. They are bad for your hearing because they don't form a seal with your ear, so they don't block outside noise. In consequence, you have to blast them WAY too loud to counter the outside ambient noises.

canalphones > earbuds any time.

i've got a nice pair of sennheiser canalphones, and move of ten sounds amazing through them. haven't tried it on my hd201s yet, or my alessandro ms-1s.. or even my good speakers at home! i'm saving that for when i get my vinyl copy.

iris was pupil

Come on, how fucking cool a title is that!?

I'm getting seriously horny waiting for my vinyl copy to show up.

  On 6/17/2010 at 11:26 PM, oscillik said:

  On 6/17/2010 at 11:19 PM, blos said:

  On 6/17/2010 at 11:00 PM, oscillik said:

  On 6/17/2010 at 10:40 PM, elusive4 said:

this is bullshit. bass waves don't need 'space' to develop or anything of that nature

erm, ok

Elusive is right, actually. If you have a driver (whether in a headphone or a speaker) moving back and forth 40 times a second, you'll cause pressure waves which vary 40 times a second, whether you are 2cm from the driver or 10 feet from the driver. How well the driver succeeds in shifting the air and creating waves which are loud enough to hear, depends on lots of awkward factors like the width of the driver, how much excursion it has, whether it resonates, the shape of the driver surface, etc etc. But there is no magic in the amount of empty space between you and the speaker. If you have decent speakers, play something with low notes at a comfortable volume, then go and put your ear next to a low frequency driver. I guarantee you it will be louder and not go magically quiet as you approach to headphone distance.

right. i'm wrong. so is the college i did Music Tech at then, apparently. someone should tell them too.

i'm not though, i can't be arsed

that's what you get for learning physics at music tech vs EE school

  On 6/17/2010 at 11:56 PM, blos said:

  On 6/17/2010 at 11:26 PM, oscillik said:

right. i'm wrong. so is the college i did Music Tech at then, apparently. someone should tell them too.

i'm not though, i can't be arsed

Sorry, telling me you completed a college course doesn't actually refute the facts I gave you.

What you're probably confusing this with, is the idea of standing waves - i.e. room resonances and so on. Those do indeed need large dimensions because the room volume needs to encompass an entire wave or half-wave.

By the way, the wavelength of a 40Hz sound wave is 8 metres. If you needed that kind of space to hear it, most home stereo systems would be unable to go below about 100Hz. Mine goes way below that and I'm sure yours does too.

or quarter-wave.

hell - technically if bass needed 1/4 or 1/2 or full wave to "develop" --- the how the hell would that make a difference when the ear canal is so small and only fractions of the wave actual enter?

it's a dead issue ... bass does not need to "develop"

people constantly misunderstand this - mostly because they are thinking about standing waves (like noted above) ... but more importantly it's because crappy acoustic due to being in a small room is generally the case of massive nulls from wave cancellation - which the end user tends to automatically assume that because their room is so small the bass doesn't have room to "develop" - hence why they have crappy bass response.

actuality says small rooms provide horrible bass response because of wave cancellations (nulls) ... hence the reason you need even more bass trapping/treatment in smaller rooms.

  On 6/18/2010 at 12:21 AM, blos said:

Sorry. I didn't mean to be a bombastic prick about it.

same

  On 6/18/2010 at 3:24 AM, elusive4 said:

  On 6/17/2010 at 11:26 PM, oscillik said:

  On 6/17/2010 at 11:19 PM, blos said:

  On 6/17/2010 at 11:00 PM, oscillik said:

  On 6/17/2010 at 10:40 PM, elusive4 said:

this is bullshit. bass waves don't need 'space' to develop or anything of that nature

erm, ok

Elusive is right, actually. If you have a driver (whether in a headphone or a speaker) moving back and forth 40 times a second, you'll cause pressure waves which vary 40 times a second, whether you are 2cm from the driver or 10 feet from the driver. How well the driver succeeds in shifting the air and creating waves which are loud enough to hear, depends on lots of awkward factors like the width of the driver, how much excursion it has, whether it resonates, the shape of the driver surface, etc etc. But there is no magic in the amount of empty space between you and the speaker. If you have decent speakers, play something with low notes at a comfortable volume, then go and put your ear next to a low frequency driver. I guarantee you it will be louder and not go magically quiet as you approach to headphone distance.

right. i'm wrong. so is the college i did Music Tech at then, apparently. someone should tell them too.

i'm not though, i can't be arsed

 

that's what you get for learning physics at music tech vs EE school

i don't know what EE school is?

Oversteps is better

*controversial*

Oversteps is better [than Quaristice].

Move of Ten is better [than Quaristice].

  On 6/18/2010 at 8:17 AM, baph said:

Oversteps is better [than Quaristice].

 

Move of Ten is better [than Quaristice].

this.

i wouldn't say one is better than the other, more that they fit together like two puzzle pieces - i've gained an even greater appreciation of oversteps now that i've heard move of ten..

both of these releases have been the most satisfying ae releases since draft, imo.

how.. fucken.. SICK is pce freeze 2.8i

confield acid all the way

Oversteps is better

*wrong*

Quaristice > Oversteps

  On 6/18/2010 at 5:49 PM, VgqepetrahLcwg swr6 said:

Oversteps is better

 

 

*wrong*

 

 

Quaristice > Oversteps

for sure, if it wasn't for the samey and almost too consistent sound palette on oversteps and moves of ten i might disagree BUT quaristice still comes in ahead by having a wide® variety of sound design,synthesis and ideas as play from track to track.

  On 6/18/2010 at 5:49 PM, VgqepetrahLcwg swr6 said:

Oversteps is better

 

 

*wrong*

 

 

Quaristice > Oversteps

im with you there

So finally tonight I get some decent time to sit down and try and take in this EP.

And fuck yeah, in the main its good. Some areas I cant quite understand yet though, and im sure some of my comments will get ripped apart by some of you ae purists but here goes*.

Etchogon-S - from the first 10 seconds you know this track is going to be a handful. Skippy beats, swirls and peaking melodies... a great opener. A total contrast to how Oversteps starts (probably the point).

y7 - sounds better than I ever thought it could after hearing the "sample" version. Slick, engrossing.

pce freeze 2.8i - has a sick menacing brooding fear surrounding it - love it! It grinds.

rew(1) - starts off with a fairly standard swaggering beat and doesnt really seem to take it anywhere - ive not clicked with this track yet.

nth Dafuseder.b - I read this as "nth dimension" the first time I saw it. Nice beats, and lovely haunting drones in the background.

iris was a pupil - A great re-arrangement.

no border - Got some nice low-end sounds, but fairly non-descript.

M62 - wtf! A fairly straightforward 4/4 beat with overlaying melody! wtf! Dont quite understand this yet either. On first "proper" listen is seems far too simple compared to the rest of the EP in its arrangement.

ylm0 - another nice melodic excursion.

Cep puiqMX - quite harsh grating sounds and contrasting synth stabs. I like this track.

So in summary, doesnt instantly grab me as Oversteps did. Oversteps felt like a real change in styles and a bold statement as far as their creative output goes. Move of Ten is an EP in the literal sense - an extension to Oversteps that for me does not quite yet build on the sheer brilliance of it. Time will tell.

* I fuckin love autechre and im sure I will jizz over all of this EP when it all finally makes sense

  On 6/18/2010 at 5:49 PM, VgqepetrahLcwg swr6 said:

Quaristice > Oversteps

I think you'll find

Quaristice != Oversteps

is the only true statement.

  On 6/18/2010 at 1:26 PM, pigster said:

how.. fucken.. SICK is pce freeze 2.8i

confield acid all the way

yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh man this ep is fucking awesome

pce freeze almost reminds me of a burial track in the kinda steadfast refusal to switch up the beat whatsover. if that makes any sense.

  On 6/19/2010 at 2:52 AM, kaini said:

pce freeze almost reminds me of a burial track in the kinda steadfast refusal to switch up the beat whatsover. if that makes any sense.

im getting huge Scorn homage vibes from this track. the last track reminds me a tad of Burial mixed with O.S.T./Dalglish

in fact this whole album to me feels strongly like AE's most direct nod or tribute to electronic music influences of their past & present

rack 1 - Urban Tribe / Drexciya / Arpanet homage

track 2 - kind of Downloadish

track 3 - big time Scorn vibes

track 4 - reminds me of a downtempo funky Mr. Oizo track from the Scissor era

track 5 - pads and flute sound are straight up late 80s, early 90s Zoviet france or early Rapoon

track 6 - if it wasn't for the high quality verbs, this track would sound like an atmospheric sega genesis game

after a couple of listens I realised I prefer to start from iris was a pupil, even though dafuseder doesn't really work well as ending track