Guest theSun Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 that's the basic conclusion, that there will be no contraction, no "critical" point that will reproduce the big bang. we've been seeing the universe as accelerating in its expansion for a while, which can only mean 1. the universe is accelerating in its expansion indefinitely 2. the universe is accelerating in its expansion temporarily (unlikely but not impossible) 3. we're not measuring it properly, or we're off in our mathematical definitions of gravity/time/dark energy 3 is the most likely imo Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/58996-astronomers-use-a-cluster-of-galaxies-as-a-giant-lens/page/3/#findComment-1401607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpenprol Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 To be honest the idea of eternal entropy makes me sad. I very much prefer the big bang/big crunch cyclical thing. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide lumpenprol's signature Hide all signatures After this I listened to geogaddi and I didn't like it, I was quite vomitting at some tracks, I realized they were too crazy for my ears, they took too much acid to play music I stupidly thought (cliché of psyché music) But I knew this album was a kind of big forest where I just wasn't able to go inside. - lost cloud I was in US tjis summer, and eat in KFC. FUCK That's the worst thing i've ever eaten. The flesh simply doesn't cleave to the bones. Battery ferming. And then, foie gras is banned from NY state, because it's considered as ill-treat. IT'S NOT. KFC is tourist ill-treat. YOU POISONERS! Two hours after being to KFC, i stopped in a amsih little town barf all that KFC shit out. Nice work! So i hope this woman is not like kfc chicken, otherwise she'll be pulled to pieces. -organized confused project Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/58996-astronomers-use-a-cluster-of-galaxies-as-a-giant-lens/page/3/#findComment-1401630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
impakt Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 To be honest we don't know enough about the so-called dark energy to make any predictions at all. We don't know any of its properties or how it will act in different situations, we don't even know if it exists or if there is something else causing the accelerated expansion. We only assume it's some kind of energy that repels everything. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/58996-astronomers-use-a-cluster-of-galaxies-as-a-giant-lens/page/3/#findComment-1401631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaini Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 what's amusing is einstein introduced something called the cosmological constant into his later work to explain the way that gravity seemed to strangely be repulsive rather than attractive at great distances, something he later called 'the greatest mistake of my career'. we now seem to be at a point where dark matter/energy seem to fulfil almost the exact role which einstein assigned to the cosmological constant. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide kaini's signature Hide all signatures On 5/7/2013 at 11:06 PM, ambermonk said: I know IDM can be extreme On 6/3/2017 at 11:50 PM, ladalaika said: this sounds like an airplane landing on a minefield Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/58996-astronomers-use-a-cluster-of-galaxies-as-a-giant-lens/page/3/#findComment-1401646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rotwang Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 On 8/25/2010 at 5:37 PM, kaini said: what's amusing is einstein introduced something called the cosmological constant into his later work to explain the way that gravity seemed to strangely be repulsive rather than attractive at great distances, I think you'll find he introduced it because he didn't like the idea that the universe would be expanding or contracting, as predicted by the theory with no cosmological constant (this was before Hubble's discovery that the universe was expanding, obviously). Quote something he later called 'the greatest mistake of my career'. we now seem to be at a point where dark matter/energy seem to fulfil almost the exact role which einstein assigned to the cosmological constant. Dark matter has nothing to do with the cosmological constant AFAIK - rather it's necessary to explain why the gravity necessary to explain the behaviour of large-scale objects like galaxies is too big to be caused by the mass we can actually see (although we may have "seen" dark matter recently, via gravitational lensing either side of a cloud of dust which was created when two smaller clouds collided). The current consensus is that the cosmological constant is small but non-zero. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/58996-astronomers-use-a-cluster-of-galaxies-as-a-giant-lens/page/3/#findComment-1401679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaini Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 On 8/25/2010 at 6:50 PM, Rotwang said: Quote something he later called 'the greatest mistake of my career'. we now seem to be at a point where dark matter/energy seem to fulfil almost the exact role which einstein assigned to the cosmological constant. Dark matter has nothing to do with the cosmological constant AFAIK - rather it's necessary to explain why the gravity necessary to explain the behaviour of large-scale objects like galaxies is too big to be caused by the mass we can actually see (although we may have "seen" dark matter recently, via gravitational lensing either side of a cloud of dust which was created when two smaller clouds collided). The current consensus is that the cosmological constant is small but non-zero. my point is it fulfils the same role; it may be slowing expansion in a physical sense in a manner similar to the cosmological constant in einstein's equations. it's kind of ironic. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide kaini's signature Hide all signatures On 5/7/2013 at 11:06 PM, ambermonk said: I know IDM can be extreme On 6/3/2017 at 11:50 PM, ladalaika said: this sounds like an airplane landing on a minefield Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/58996-astronomers-use-a-cluster-of-galaxies-as-a-giant-lens/page/3/#findComment-1401682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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